GT 300 / Fermi Expected launch late November

I doubt it happens, but we need competition so I dont mind if Nvidia would launch like... yesterday More realistically hard launch wont happen until next year. Only Nvidia fans and those who really dont need an upgrade wont buy 5xxx series till then, see sig

I would love to see them launch in Nov... but then what would all the AMD fanboys do since they stated that Nvidia wont launch till march/april?

@ Harrison, just cause you aint seen squat don't mean that Nvdia wont drop a bomb....

yup, some real good FUD right there.

Is Kyle from HardOCP AMD fanboy? How about Anandtech? They all claim we wont see Fermi this year (or at least any real quantities of it), and they are basing this on the facts we know, along with the inside sources. On the other hand... on what based your opinion, outside fanboysim, of course?

We dont know what Nvidia will drop, at least what concerns games. As much as I respect HPC side, I wont need nor care about it. This only makes GPUs more expensive... Plus rumors about advanced DX11 features partially emulated in software (like tessalation) doesnt strike me with the confidence either. I hope its not true, but with the way Nvidia downplays DX11 and the respectable sources of rumors, I'm not happy with it, we dont need another round of Nvidia stalling advancement.

I wouldn't be surprised, in fact I'd expect NVidia to have a 'launch' this side of the new year. What I'd really like to see is when the cards come out in quantity, which that source doesn't even speculate on (as it admits the cards are still being worked on, so even NVidia doesn't know for sure. They can only try their best and hope).

There is no way in hell this card drops by November. This is one of those typical Fuad=FUD posts that has no basis in reality.

December is even highly unlikely as Nvidia is telling OEM's to not expect parts for the holidays. Count on January from everything I am hearing, possibly a CES launch.

as far as i see it NV will Pwn Ati in performace and Ati will Pwn NV in price isnt this the way of life as we know it. So why even argue about this new card gt300 or what ever the call it if you want performance go NV if your cheap and dont need power for 30inch monitor go ati and stfu

My invisible friend said it will launch next week. He has insider information, so you'd better not buy ATI cards right now. He said they will outperform most supercomputers, and even make coffee for you when you boot the computer in the morning.

This information has as much credibility as the R900 by Q3 2010 rumours.


The only nV chips to come out before 2010 are going straight to the reviewers so they can do another GTX295 paper launch.

awesome...soon the time will come for 5x00 to duke it out with GT300s

Yeah why dont you show the benchmarks for that not to mention you have to use a display port fo the 3rd monitor or it will not work.

We dont know what nvidia has in store, we dont know when the cards will be released. We do not know what the cards will be priced at. Some of us could care less about price per performance all we care about is top speed and yes as of right now ati has the best. If they have the best when nvidia cards are released I will purchase 3 of them. I like the idea of eyefinity and hope ati has a way around the display port soon.

Saying ATI will still be leading is a pretty big assumption that has only happened with the 9700 pro. Cards are rarly released at the same time and history shows that Nidia has always trumped what ati had sans the 9700/9800 pro as the fx 5800 ultra was a flop. Maybe history will change and ati will be back on top for a short time, maybe they will be on top longer. Maybe nvidia will quit concerning itself with gaming and focus on supercomputers and calculations. Who knows until the cards are release. I am hoping it is soon so I can get new gpu's for my main system whichever is on top as I could care less about brands just performance.

Is using display port an issue for you? Do you not know that adaptors for displayport to DVI can be obtained?


Or is it all too complicated for you to wrap your head around?!?!



Using the 3rd monitor/displayport "issue" as a stick to beat ATi with is pathetic.



As regards the benchmarks, the ATis all show positive numbers. JHH's Fermi board doesn't even POST.

It's also worth noting that Nvidia doesn't have a competing option against eyefinity.

If you want to compare apples to apples on performance, you use the standard single screen resolutions for benchmarking. There's absolutely no indication that Nvidia plans any multi-display gaming. So if you want the option, ATI has a monopoly on that front. Most people probably won't use it, nor care, but there's some people who do have multiple displays, and do plan on using it (myself included). And it's this niche market they have a stranglehold on.

Since it's early, it doesn't work on some games. But since the solution exists in the early stages, it can only get better. And you can guarantee that newer games coming in the future will make sure to support it.

Nvidia's marketing scheme is using the GPU as a co-processor. Given their solid developments of PhysX and CUDA, they can sell their GPUs to both the gaming market and the data analysis industries. And that's the edge the intend to make their money with. And I think it'll pay off big in the long run.

So ATI is currently ahead on the gaming cards, but Nvidia has a second market to tap into.
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If you want to find eyefinity benchmarks, try using google. They're out there.

And none use 3 30" displays.

And if I were the king of France I'd give everyone cupcakes.

Bottom line, the option doesn't exist nor has a hint that anyone is working on it, or is even being pondered by Nvidia. There's not even a rumor of a rumor. So no, there's no safe assumption in any of that. As far as reality is concerned; ATI is the only option, and will continue to be the only option, for multi-display gaming.

Eyefinity currently only works on the 5000s. You can't make it work with the 4000s in ATI's own line. So to assume the software ports to any card is wrong.

Hypothetically, no. For the same reason the software works on only the 5000 series cards, and not the 4000 or earlier ATI series. ATI's Eyefinity software is only allowed to work with their 5000 series cards. Which from a business side of things makes a lot of sense. ATI wouldn't want their proprietary features to work on the competitor's hardware. Kinda like how Nvidia doesn't want PhysX to work when an ATI card is present. And to a lesser extent, they also want people to upgrade from the 4000 series to the 5000 cards to spend more money on their products.

Nvidia would have to make their own software to support it. Unless Nvidia wants to steal the source code and save on development costs.

Which then begs the question why should Nv share Physx when ATi won't share Eyefinity (If there was a new card that could use it of course), this is not directed at you by the way I'm just throwing it out there, just because it's their own little baby if it enhances the gaming experience then surely they should give it to their competitors just as they have to make sure that any future games developed with Eyefinity in mind have to look just as good on whatever Nv's equivalent may be.

They shouldn't have to share anything. Each company is spending money on dedicated solutions the other guy doesn't offer. That's how innovation works, and that's why capitalism keeps things moving forward. There's no reason why they need to be equal or share anything. If PhysX means more to you than Eyefinity, by all means stick with Nvidia, And Vice Vera. Or you can enjoy the cat and mouse game for the fastest GPU bragging rights, like so many others are watching and waiting for.

Eyefinity isn't something that can be patented, it's just gaming on 3 screens. There was an interesting argument from Red Hat, who claim all software is just maths and therefore should be patent free. They are actually in court with that right now trying to get some judge to buy it.

We're heading down that road anyway, perhaps not for a few years yet but eventually it will get there.

It's the screen management software that is part of the driver package that my question concerns, my hypothetical question remember as Nv have given no indication that they have any intention of making a six port card, but if they did and hardware wise it was capable of using the ATi software would ATi let them?

Still no, for the reasons I listed before. The eyefinity software doesn't communicate with any cards other than the ATI 5000s. If you know any Nvidia cards that work using Catalyst drivers, I'd be interested to hear about it.

As others said, its apples to tomatoes comparison. Eyefinity is drivers enhanced multi-monitor support, all game devs have to do - add more resolutions, thats it. If/when Nvidia will want to support those resolutions, it can use it just as well. Physics is entirely different thing, and should be industry standard, accessible to any game studio and any manufacturer. If PhysX wont become open - it will be dead end tech, and will be replaced by whatever OpenCL/DC physics standard.

TripleHead2Go FTW.

There never was any excuse or redirection. A fanboy made a huge statement and needed to be shown what is going on. you had the same thing with all the ati fanboys on the forum before the card every came out or specs were released. Everyone went crazy over a picture and when someone said anything against it they were accused of being a fanboy no matter what was said and not the same thing is going on except the people posting the pictures are being accused as being a fanboy and all of a sudden it is not ok because it is not someone posting about ati. This holier than thou attitude with the ati fanboys needs to stop and people need to see the whole picture and stop the double standard and be objective. As I have stated before I could care less who is on top as long as everyone is open to the facts. Thats why I run core i7 so I can run either crossfire or sli.