ATi 5xxx vs. Nvidia 3xx (opinion topic)

Hello everyone,

I am just making this topic to state my opinion on the matter and see what you have to say. I know there are a lot of threads, but a new one doesn't hurt.

I think that all this fanboyism seems like sports rivalry. Your team sucks, my team is better than yours and so on and so forth. At the same time, there is no logical foundation to that rivalry. Both teams try to best their opponent, some times one wins, at others the other wins.

When you have two companies fighting to increase their market share, this rivalry (not between the companies, but among the buyers) makes even less sense. In an oligopoly, the two companies will do exactly what they have to do to maximize their profits. So, for now ATi has the best single card out there (SINGLE card!) and that's what's going to win the market share.

Nvidia is not yet ready to produce their next gen cards, but they will soon. My guess is that they're going to perform much better than the 5xxx. You know what? I think they'll be proportionally more expensive as well.

The economists out there may want to correct me if I'm wrong, but a fundamental rule of oligopoly is not to have the exact same product as your competitor. Because, afterwards, it all comes down to price and, in an oligopoly again, price wars are never beneficial for the companies (however nice they are for the consumer). That's the reason you see mobile phone companies offer such various package deals, but never the exact same deal.

I guess my point is that there is a reason that the companies don't produce their latest generations at the same time. If you look at it as if there was one company out there, you'd see (flagshipwise) Ati 3xxx<Nvidia 9xxx<Ati4xxx<Nvidia2xx<Ati 5xxx<Nvidia 3xx(???). See a pattern there? Of course, at some point, one company may have problems with the newest technology, but in the end it all comes down to what the market wants.

I hope this long post made some sense. English is not my first language. A word of advice: Don't support one company wholeheartedly. They just want your money. If you want to give it to them, please do, but not because they're better, but because they meet the needs of a particular market, in which you belong.

This round meaning, for the next month or two? I agree with the OP. I myself prefer ATI for the better cost/peformance ratio, but Nvidia may have a stronger card, for a much higher price. Who knows? Everything right now is all heresay, with no real data at this time to compare the two new generations of cards. Let's wait and see what happens, before everyone starts nerd raging. My 2 cents.

surely the GT 3XX will definately beat HD 58XX . next round.

And the 6800 will wipe the floor with it.. and the gtx400 will wipe the floor with that... Do we see a pattern here? /facepalm

Besides that.. we don't know how much it will "wipe the floor" with it anyway.. I certainly expect it to be faster but will have to wait for it to be released to know for sure.. but let's not delude ourselves into thinking it is creation embodied in silicon... Right now the 5870 is the fastest single gpu card on earth... why does the promise of new tech take away anything from that? There will always be new tech.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch and all that... Unsubstantiated claims are about as useful as what one wipes their nose with.. Have some patience.. and (un)common sense people.

I see 5xxx and 3xx being a lot like 4xxx and 2xx. Nvidia retaking the single GPU lead with the GTX 380, and the GTX 360 matching the 5870. Then ATI releases 5870x2 to take the lead of fastest (not single) card from the GTX 380 and GTX 295. Later (but sooner than the GTX2xx series if my spidey sense tells me right) nvidia takes the lead back with a GTX 395 by sticking a couple revamped GTX 360s together since the GTX 380 is too big.

Oh yeah and lets not forget. 8800GT will once again be renamed as the... lets say... GTS 320 sometime down the line.

Yeah, you're right. It would be nice to have a discussion about them, I just worry with how little info we currently have on the 'fermi' that it will degenerate into the usual argument. Anyway, back OT, NVidia's card definitely looks intriguing, but I'm worried about how much effort they put into their DX11 aspects. If several or all of the features are emulated, will we get another dumbed down DX version like they caused for DX10? Hopefully MS learned from that fiasco. I wish they'd release the rest of the info on the graphics part of the card.

Because most people don't think we'll see GT300 in any appreciable number essentially giving the round (Q4) to ATI?

I tried to take the conversation to a more market oriented approach, but it didn't work...oh well...