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October 7, 2009 5:20:37 AM

I am getting really bad frame rates in the games ive been playing, i only get about 25-40 fps in sims 3 and 30-38 fps in Rainbox Six Vegas i have all the latest drivers installed and with my harware i should be getting really high frame rates.

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Ati Radeon HD4650 512mb PCI-e

Intel Core Duo E8400 stock clocked at 3.0ghz

2GB DDR2

Windows xp Home Sp2

420W Power supply

I don't know if the fact that i haven't updated to SP3 has anything to do with it but the Geek-squad representative at my local best buy couldn't even figure out the issue, i did just upgrade my motherboard and cpu but i updated all the drivers to everything on my system.

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October 7, 2009 5:22:16 AM

Just installed S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow Of Chernobyl and only get 15-30 when playing AA 4x AF 8x everything else high, there is something wrong here
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a c 194 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 5:22:40 AM

What resolution are you running at? A 4650 isnt very strong and wont handle high resolutions well but should do fine at lower resolutions and details.

Nothing is wrong, your GPU simply isnt strong enough to support those detail levels, upgrade to a 4870 or 4890 if you want to play games on high with 4x AA and 8x AF.
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October 7, 2009 5:48:29 AM

1440x900 (monitor recommended resolution) for stalker. the other 2 games i play at lower resolutions. What settings would you recommend for my GPU to run smoothly?
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October 7, 2009 5:50:53 AM

shocker77 said:
I am getting really bad frame rates in the games ive been playing, i only get about 25-40 fps in sims 3 and 30-38 fps in Rainbox Six Vegas i have all the latest drivers installed and with my harware i should be getting really high frame rates.

Im running

Ati Radeon HD4650 512mb PCI-e

Intel Core Duo E8400 stock clocked at 3.0ghz

2GB DDR2

Windows xp Home Sp2

420W Power supply

I don't know if the fact that i haven't updated to SP3 has anything to do with it but the Geek-squad representative at my local best buy couldn't even figure out the issue, i did just upgrade my motherboard and cpu but i updated all the drivers to everything on my system.



Wait did you reinstall Windows after the hardware change? If not theres the problem.
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October 7, 2009 5:53:47 AM

anort3 said:
Wait did you reinstall Windows after the hardware change? If not theres the problem.



yes. i reformatted HDD and i did a clean install
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a c 255 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 6:00:04 AM

Hunter315 has it then. I might also add if you are running DDR2-800 that E-8400 is pretty much a free overclock to 3.6. Even with stock cooling.
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a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 6:24:02 AM

4650 is a lower-mid tiered GPU. It'll struggle with most recent games if you're playing anything over 1280x1024
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October 7, 2009 6:34:17 AM

anort3 said:
Hunter315 has it then. I might also add if you are running DDR2-800 that E-8400 is pretty much a free overclock to 3.6. Even with stock cooling.


Now I regret paying $130 for that GPU should have gotten the 4870. Won't have the money to upgrade any time soon so ill have to deal with it. I've been thinking about overclocking I've never done it myself so I didn't want to risk it but I've seen some videos on how to do it

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October 7, 2009 6:37:05 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
4650 is a lower-mid tiered GPU. It'll struggle with most recent games if you're playing anything over 1280x1024


I see, ill try lowering the resolution and see what happens, i used to run left 4 dead maxed out with no problems, and that was on a Celeron D 3.3GHZ single core so i thought the 4650 was better than it is. Thanks for the reply
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a c 171 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 6:54:00 AM

1440x900 with 4aa/8af and you wonder why you have low frame riates with your 4650? Drop the AA, the frames should go up.
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October 7, 2009 3:16:31 PM

4745454b said:
1440x900 with 4aa/8af and you wonder why you have low frame riates with your 4650? Drop the AA, the frames should go up.


I used to play Left 4 Dead with 8xAA and 16xAF smoothly on a Celeron D single core so i assumed my card could handle it in other games, but im going to order a 4870 today, now im assuming ill ahve to upgrade my PSU, a 420W wont be able to handle the new card am i correct?
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a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 3:19:58 PM

what brand is the psu?
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a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 3:37:45 PM

I don't know anything about sunbeam PSUs, to be honest (they make at least one really awesome CPU cooler though :p ), but XFX is definitely a good brand. The double lifetime warranty increases it's resale value, as the next person to own it, also gets a lifetime warranty out of it. With non reference cooler, it may be necessary to increase the cooling in your case by a small amount, if you don't have good airflow already. 4870s are warm cards, and all that heat will be dumped into the case, not an issue with good airflow.

You can save 20 bucks on the video card and get the 512mb version. At 1440x900 and below, you will not get much use out of the 1gb of ram. I have had great success running my 4870 512mb as high as 1920x1080.

And if you do have heat issues, use that 20 bucks to buy a couple decent fans, spend some time tieing up your cables out of the path of airflow, and you should be good to go.
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a c 84 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 3:45:15 PM

wait a sec...

you used to run left4dead with what graphics card? celeron is a cpu afterall...

and are you sure the heatsink on the cpu is properly seated etc, so the system isn't throttling because of the heat? Check the temps with speedfan or realtemp or something
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October 7, 2009 4:05:59 PM

JofaMang said:
I don't know anything about sunbeam PSUs, to be honest (they make at least one really awesome CPU cooler though :p ), but XFX is definitely a good brand. The double lifetime warranty increases it's resale value, as the next person to own it, also gets a lifetime warranty out of it. With non reference cooler, it may be necessary to increase the cooling in your case by a small amount, if you don't have good airflow already. 4870s are warm cards, and all that heat will be dumped into the case, not an issue with good airflow.

You can save 20 bucks on the video card and get the 512mb version. At 1440x900 and below, you will not get much use out of the 1gb of ram. I have had great success running my 4870 512mb as high as 1920x1080.

And if you do have heat issues, use that 20 bucks to buy a couple decent fans, spend some time tieing up your cables out of the path of airflow, and you should be good to go.


I think my airflow is decent i just got a Cool Master case ($50 range) including the fans i installed i have a 120mm fan sucking in air from the front, a 80mm fan sucking air in from the side pannel and a 120mm sucking out all the hot air from the back of the case, i have room for 1 more fan on the side pannel right above the cpu, and i wanted the 1g just to be sure i dont have to upgrade within a year but if the memory only has to do with the resolutions at this point then i would rather grab a 512, BUT the same brand card with 512 is $124.99, and the 1g version has a mail in rebate deal that will end up costing me $124.99 so ide rather get the 1g just in case ;) 
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October 7, 2009 4:07:53 PM

Kari said:
wait a sec...

you used to run left4dead with what graphics card? celeron is a cpu afterall...

and are you sure the heatsink on the cpu is properly seated etc, so the system isn't throttling because of the heat? Check the temps with speedfan or realtemp or something


I used a Ati radeon HD4650 i was just giving the CPU details to show why i thought my card was really good because that cpu is horrible for gaming yet it kept up.
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a c 84 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 4:11:14 PM

ah ok. How about the cpu temperature then?

edit and have you tried l4d with the new system?
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October 7, 2009 5:26:43 PM

Kari said:
ah ok. How about the cpu temperature then?

edit and have you tried l4d with the new system?


39c-43c idle and i hit a max temp of 62c while playing stalker

And i no longer have l4d available
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a c 84 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 6:54:45 PM

Those temps seem just fine, no worries there...
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October 7, 2009 7:11:29 PM

Its just the GPU i ordered the 4870 and 750w power supply i linked above should fix my problem
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October 7, 2009 7:12:39 PM

Kari said:
Those temps seem just fine, no worries there...


Awesome i thought it might have been getting hot, im just going to upgrade my GPU and power supply
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a c 194 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 7:28:44 PM

L4D is far from graphically intensive, its great for judging CPU bottlenecks but not too good at finding graphical bottlenecks. Hell even an HD 2600XT can play it at 50FPS at 1920x1200 on very high
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-card...
however it wont be able to provide better than FPS in any graphics limited game, and AA and AF are very stressful for the card, drop AA and AF and you should notice a dramatic increase in FPS for all games.
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a c 177 U Graphics card
October 7, 2009 8:04:54 PM

As Hunter315 says, AA is hard on the card, either reduce the leval or drop it entirely
for a nice boost in speed. Also look at lighting effects: Reflections, shadows, water effects and HDR can also cause a heavy drain on the card.

I think this is a better PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I bought one of those XFX cards, with that same cooler and found it to be noisy and hot... 90c under Furmark with the side panel off the case and the fan at a noisy 100% caused me to return it within 2 days.

I hated coolers that dump their heat into the case, and my experiences with the XFX HD4870 have only soured my opinions further and since all the HD4870s in your price range have that type of cooler I'm going to suggest this instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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October 7, 2009 8:05:05 PM

hunter315 said:
L4D is far from graphically intensive, its great for judging CPU bottlenecks but not too good at finding graphical bottlenecks. Hell even an HD 2600XT can play it at 50FPS at 1920x1200 on very high
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-card...
however it wont be able to provide better than FPS in any graphics limited game, and AA and AF are very stressful for the card, drop AA and AF and you should notice a dramatic increase in FPS for all games.


Yea it helped a lot, but i purchased the 4870 on new egg a few minutes ago, I went this far in building this computer, might as well go all the way (within a budget) thanks for the help :D 
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October 8, 2009 7:24:56 AM

shocker77 said:
I think my airflow is decent i just got a Cool Master case ($50 range) including the fans i installed i have a 120mm fan sucking in air from the front, a 80mm fan sucking air in from the side pannel and a 120mm sucking out all the hot air from the back of the case, i have room for 1 more fan on the side pannel right above the cpu, and i wanted the 1g just to be sure i dont have to upgrade within a year but if the memory only has to do with the resolutions at this point then i would rather grab a 512, BUT the same brand card with 512 is $124.99, and the 1g version has a mail in rebate deal that will end up costing me $124.99 so ide rather get the 1g just in case ;) 


Turn your side fan around to exhaust air. I have an 80mm in the side of my cheap cooler master case, and tried both ways, and with it exhausting, system temps dropped dramatically. I also have 120 front, 120rear fans.
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