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September 23, 2009 11:35:40 PM

Hey, well this is probably my 5 new system built since everything i post its always its coming soon!!!!! (i5) and yes it has arrived but then again waited 5xxx series, so now im done waiting lol, too long and school is starting.

Well i think im pretty set with my build, 740 max since i gotta get a keybaord (saitek II)!!
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better)) BUDGET RANGE: (e.g.: 600-800) Before / After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, watching movies etc, surfing the net with 2-5 windows open.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg or anywhere cheap.

PARTS PREFERENCES: intel i5, a good GPU company or suggestions

OVERCLOCKING:
NO SLI OR CROSSFIRE: NO

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1280x1024,, 1600x1200, 1680x1050)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
(something that would last me 3-5 years)
Well here goes:
CASe + PSU combo $100 ANtec 300 + antec 500 w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU + Mother board combo intel i5 + gigabyte $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Dilemma AWWWW lol ATI vs NVIDIA WAR!
MSI 260 GTX 216 core + 4GB Ripjaw Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
or
Sapphire 4870 1 GB + 4gb Ripjaw Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
basically for me its coming down to customer service, liability and rebate. I am leaning towards the Msi because out of both of these its the only one with a 3 year rebate or the one i can only see.
or should i get the Vapor version?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or the XFX version
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

basically the graphics card i will try to make it last 3-5 years. and most likely wont be upgrading my monitor which as of now i can only see it at 1200x1000 (maybe cuz its hook up to my laptop o.0?) but yea i tihnk it can go up to 1600x1000 dunno only have my laptop lol but yea what do you guys suggest etc. change in PSU? or anysort Thx for taking your time and putting up with my crazy posts
September 23, 2009 11:42:10 PM

change that ugly PSU it sucks period.

get 4870 instead of 260.

"basically for me its coming down to customer service, liability and rebate. I am leaning towards the Msi because out of both of these its the only one with a 3 year rebate or the one i can only see."

i think you meat three year warranty..not rebate LOL

also post in this format..
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

and why you gettin the saitek II (its three years old and it sucks..bad)
September 24, 2009 2:05:46 AM

lol no other keyboard under 50 thats even worth it, g11 kinda ugly, sidewinder x6..expensive and yea lol. saitek glows pretty man lol.
yea i meant warranty lol, so what version of the 4870 should i get? xfx sapphire? thx
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September 24, 2009 2:18:39 AM

Actually the basiq 500W is decent now, that is a fine PSU, i saw a review of it a while ago and its actually pretty good.

I would not get the currently available XFX 4870, the sapphire comes in a combo so it will save you a bit and it has good warranty support. The XFX does not have a dual slot cooler like most of theirs do(i really dont know why) so i would get the sapphire to keep the case cooler.
September 24, 2009 2:22:00 AM

thx, but which sapphire one should i get? the vapor x or the non regular one? they are only seperated by 5 bucks cuz the vapor one isnt free shipping thx
September 24, 2009 2:25:28 AM

Unless i really suck at math(its quite possible) the one in the combo seems to me to come out $15 less and has free shipping so it would save a fair amount, and if you dont intend to OC the card at all the Vapor-X cooler wont give you any benefit, the card will still generate the same amount of heat.
September 24, 2009 2:33:33 AM

silvergo said:
Hey, well this is probably my 5 new system built since everything i post its always its coming soon!!!!! (i5) and yes it has arrived but then again waited 5xxx series, so now im done waiting lol, too long and school is starting.

Well i think im pretty set with my build, 740 max since i gotta get a keybaord (saitek II)!!
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better)) BUDGET RANGE: (e.g.: 600-800) Before / After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, watching movies etc, surfing the net with 2-5 windows open.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg or anywhere cheap.

PARTS PREFERENCES: intel i5, a good GPU company or suggestions

OVERCLOCKING:
NO SLI OR CROSSFIRE: NO

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1280x1024,, 1600x1200, 1680x1050)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
(something that would last me 3-5 years)
Well here goes:
CASe + PSU combo $100 ANtec 300 + antec 500 w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU + Mother board combo intel i5 + gigabyte $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Dilemma AWWWW lol ATI vs NVIDIA WAR!
MSI 260 GTX 216 core + 4GB Ripjaw Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
or
Sapphire 4870 1 GB + 4gb Ripjaw Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
basically for me its coming down to customer service, liability and rebate. I am leaning towards the Msi because out of both of these its the only one with a 3 year rebate or the one i can only see.
or should i get the Vapor version?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or the XFX version
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

basically the graphics card i will try to make it last 3-5 years. and most likely wont be upgrading my monitor which as of now i can only see it at 1200x1000 (maybe cuz its hook up to my laptop o.0?) but yea i tihnk it can go up to 1600x1000 dunno only have my laptop lol but yea what do you guys suggest etc. change in PSU? or anysort Thx for taking your time and putting up with my crazy posts


Where to begin?...

First, I would avoid the Saitek II since in my experience it has only caused trouble (it is, in all honesty, total crap)! Of course, it is your personal preference, but still...

Anyhow, in reference to your build: Getting the i5 is a good call, and as for the MOBO that really has to do with personal preference... none of the available ones are "bad" at all, and range from $125-$250 for the most part (for a $700 build you don't need any glitzy features, find a combo deal that nets you the board and CPU for around, or less than, $360). Some have extra features like auto-overclocking, higher quality materials, on-board controls, or other benefits.

As for memory, just grab a 4GB kit from Corsair or elsewhere, I personally care more about getting this cheap whilst keeping it reliable, which tends to reduce timings... again, this is something you can tweak to what you think you want. Don't go crazy here, though, it should be the least of your concerns in terms of budget.

Snag a 320 or 640GB HD, such as one of WD's offerings (Caviar), and a $30 DVD/CD drive.

Try hard not to skimp on the PSU, because it would be a bummer if it died, which reliable PSU's tend NOT to do... my favorite brands include Corsair, Silverstone and higher quality Antecs. The case you chose is fine, but if you can fit it in, install extra fans.

And for the graphics, ATI ATI ATI! nVidia is currently WAY behind in terms of value (even more so now with the 5870 which surpasses the 295 yet costs much less), and the prices on ATI cards have gone down substantially. Nab a 4890.

Good Luck.

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September 24, 2009 2:46:20 AM
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September 24, 2009 2:54:47 AM

Why_Me said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 Free Shipping*
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM


I would recommend a 320GB or 640GB with a 32MB cache since his priorities include gaming; the aforementioned sizes for HD's have denser plates which equals speedier reads, and double the cache equals... well, double the cache.

The best of these prerequisites, including the ones I mentioned earlier, being this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, I know WD to be a good brand, or at least this particular hard drive (in a non-RAID configuration) to be a good choice. I do not know much of Samsung drives, which is why I personally would select the WD over it.
September 24, 2009 2:58:20 AM

Actually the F3 has a single 500GB platter, the single platter makes it cheaper and fast, it is actually one of the best options out there, there are only a few other 500GB platter drives out there
September 24, 2009 3:29:27 AM

sorry my bad, i forgot i already have a harddrive and a dvd/cd rewritable. Well this is my build as of now.
Purchase date: TODAY!!!! days

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, watching movies etc, surfing the net with 2-5 windows open.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, CD/dvd drive, Harddrive)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg or anywhere cheap.

PARTS PREFERENCES: intel i5, a good GPU company or suggestions

OVERCLOCKING:
NO SLI OR CROSSFIRE: NO

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1280x1024,, 1600x1200, 1680x1050)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
(something that would last me 3-5 years)
Well here goes:
CASe + PSU combo $100 ANtec 300 + antec 500 w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU + Mother board combo intel i5 + gigabyte $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Sapphire 4870 1 GB + 4gb Ripjaw Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

men i am a little scared on the psu now, shoud i really just go for the antec 300 with fans pre installed with a 650 w psu? is it better to? thx
Antec 300 + 650 antec psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

i am ready to click when i get the OK =)
September 24, 2009 3:31:50 AM

Didn't I just post where you could knock off another $15 off that mobo/cpu combo ? Now what is the title of this thread ?

and btw upgrade to the Antec 300 + Antec 550w True Power combo so you can upgrade your vid card later on if need be.
September 24, 2009 3:33:01 AM

I would not run a 4870 off of a basiq, its good but thats a bit stressful at load. The EA650 and illusions case for 30 more is a great deal, the extra fans will keep it all cool and the EA650 is significantly better. It doesnt come preinstalled but it does come with a discount! Its a good deal i vote for that one.
September 24, 2009 3:33:56 AM

Quote: "And for the graphics, ATI ATI ATI! nVidia is currently WAY behind in terms of value (even more so now with the 5870 which surpasses the 295 yet costs much less), and the prices on ATI cards have gone down substantially. Nab a 4890. "

VGM10000, you are totally wrong. 5870 surpasses 295? LOLLL biggest noob comment ever. gtx 295 beats 5870, but 5870 is fastest single gpu card though. 5870 has only "beat" 295 in like 2 games by like a small frame amount. in overall performance 295>5870 obviously because of the dual gpus..vs one gpu..

i love noobs with no knowledge.
September 24, 2009 3:37:54 AM

overshocks said:
Quote: "And for the graphics, ATI ATI ATI! nVidia is currently WAY behind in terms of value (even more so now with the 5870 which surpasses the 295 yet costs much less), and the prices on ATI cards have gone down substantially. Nab a 4890. "

VGM10000, you are totally wrong. 5870 surpasses 295? LOLLL biggest noob comment ever. gtx 295 beats 5870, but 5870 is fastest single gpu card though. 5870 has only "beat" 295 in like 2 games by like a small frame amount. in overall performance 295>5870 obviously because of the dual gpus..vs one gpu..

i love noobs with no knowledge.


I would like to add to that that Nvidea cards don't have nearly the driver issues and heat issues that ATI cards do...probably why Nvidea cards cost a bit more. You get what you pay for.
September 24, 2009 3:47:10 AM

Why_Me said:
I would like to add to that that Nvidea cards don't have nearly the driver issues and heat issues that ATI cards do...probably why Nvidea cards cost a bit more. You get what you pay for.


The drivers of the 5xxx series card is fixed or "partially" fixed reading from reviews. Seeing how CF 5870 nearly doubles the frame rates of a single 5870, which has never happened before (referring to 4870,4890..etc)
The AA has been fixed up and it's a little better (stated in tom's review)

nvidia cost so much not just because of the drivers, its because of their marketing strategy.
September 24, 2009 3:47:16 AM

@OverShocks And here's Why_Me confirming my point about drivers.
Also I don't think it's "good" to call someone noob just because he hasn't done research of recently released reviews and such. And BTW HD5870 > GTX295! Just read TH's review.

Edit: Still GTX285 SLI does double the performance in most games and it's a previous generation GPU! |
September 24, 2009 4:06:46 AM

psycho sykes said:
@OverShocks And here's Why_Me confirming my point about drivers.
Also I don't think it's "good" to call someone noob just because he hasn't done research of recently released reviews and such. And BTW HD5870 > GTX295! Just read TH's review.

Edit: Still GTX285 SLI does double the performance in most games and it's a previous generation GPU! |


do i have to call you a noob too? 295>5870 in tom's review. its 2 gpus vs 1 gpu. like i said before, 5870 is fastest single gpu card on the market right now.

toms review quote "Fortunately for ATI, even if we use the games people play today as a yardstick for evaluating Radeon HD 5870, the card still dominates the hardware it’s being put up against. The board consistently beats Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 285, trades blows with the Radeon HD 4870 X2, and is sometimes able to sneak past the GeForce GTX 295."
September 24, 2009 4:12:32 AM

o yea why me i did check it lol, i forgot when i decided to copy and past =p
September 24, 2009 4:14:50 AM

Quote: "Edit: Still GTX285 SLI does double the performance in most games and it's a previous generation GPU! | "

so what you are just saying nvidia drivers are better huh? too bad 5870>285 by 30% average.
September 24, 2009 4:27:51 AM

I'm talking about HD5870 CF vs GTX285 SLI. So yes nVidia's drivers are better!
September 24, 2009 4:30:43 AM

psycho sykes said:
I'm talking about HD5870 CF vs GTX285 SLI. So yes nVidia's drivers are better!


5870 cf owns gtx 285 sli though, nvidia drivers better? thats a big controversy.

i think you missed my post above here it is again.

psycho sykes said:
@OverShocks And here's Why_Me confirming my point about drivers.
Also I don't think it's "good" to call someone noob just because he hasn't done research of recently released reviews and such. And BTW HD5870 > GTX295! Just read TH's review.

Edit: Still GTX285 SLI does double the performance in most games and it's a previous generation GPU! |


do i have to call you a noob too? 295>5870 in tom's review. its 2 gpus vs 1 gpu. like i said before, 5870 is fastest single gpu card on the market right now.

toms review quote "Fortunately for ATI, even if we use the games people play today as a yardstick for evaluating Radeon HD 5870, the card still dominates the hardware it’s being put up against. The board consistently beats Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 285, trades blows with the Radeon HD 4870 X2, and is sometimes able to sneak past the GeForce GTX 295."

You said "And BTW HD5870 > GTX295! Just read TH's review."
your comprehension skills need a work around no offence.
September 24, 2009 4:31:29 AM

psycho sykes said:
I'm talking about HD5870 CF vs GTX285 SLI. So yes nVidia's drivers are better!


This round goes to ATI...but come Decemeber ...who knows ? :bounce: 
September 24, 2009 4:32:50 AM

Why_Me said:
This round goes to ATI...but come Decemeber ...who knows ? :bounce: 


I just want nvidia to keep up "if they can" because i want price drops!
September 24, 2009 4:44:53 AM

no hi jacked my thread not another nvidia vs ati, but yea ok so i should get the 550w instead of thte 650 which both are same price after combo?
September 24, 2009 4:45:23 AM

silvergo said:
no hi jacked my thread not another nvidia vs ati, but yea ok so i should get the 550w instead of thte 650 which both are same price after combo?


link?
September 24, 2009 4:49:08 AM

alright im ready to go any suggestions? hitting it in the next 10 min
September 24, 2009 4:50:00 AM

silvergo said:
alright im ready to go any suggestions? hitting it in the next 10 min



your buying the whole set up? go for it

you should get a gaming mouse, if you dont have one already
September 24, 2009 5:03:43 AM

If HD5870 is 130% perf. of GTX285..
And CF HD5870 make it 170% overall..
While nVidia's SLI GTX285 is 190% overall..
Because HD5870 is better than GTX285 it scores better in CF..
nVidia's next gen will be stronger and SLI will be better so that's 190% SLI vs 170% CF!!
And I'm not English I'm just in preparatory school learning in some country in the middle-east.. Still i don't see "noob" acceptable and I wouldn't call you that even if i want to..
HD5870 > GTX295 because GTX295 was only able to keep up till like 1920x1080/200 in high graphics intensive games with high AA (see Crysis Bench.) I revised the review and admit I'm very impressed and have to say the drivers have matured just too much! But we still need more :D 

Edit|
Quote:
"Why_Me" Wrote:
This round goes to ATI
.
Agree! And happy!

Medo
September 24, 2009 5:05:04 AM

^^ What's the final build? Sorry! :??: 
September 24, 2009 5:18:41 AM

psycho sykes said:
If HD5870 is 130% perf. of GTX285..
And CF HD5870 make it 170% overall..
While nVidia's SLI GTX285 is 190% overall..
Because HD5870 is better than GTX285 it scores better in CF..
nVidia's next gen will be stronger and SLI will be better so that's 190% SLI vs 170% CF!!
And I'm not English I'm just in preparatory school learning in some country in the middle-east.. Still i don't see "noob" acceptable and I wouldn't call you that even if i want to..
HD5870 > GTX295 because GTX295 was only able to keep up till like 1920x1080/200 in high graphics intensive games with high AA (see Crysis Bench.) I revised the review and admit I'm very impressed and have to say the drivers have matured just too much! But we still need more :D 

Edit|
Quote:
"Why_Me" Wrote:
This round goes to ATI
.
Agree! And happy!

Medo


lol @ the first 6-7 lines. 190% sli vs 170% cf? you dont make sense. you said sli gtx 285 is 190% overall? CF 5870 is 170%? your saying 5870 performs worse than sli gtx 285?

again 295>5870 even though i like ati and have to admit it lost to the dual gpu card.

"HD5870 > GTX295 because GTX295 was only able to keep up till like 1920x1080/200 in high graphics intensive games with high AA (see Crysis Bench.)"

you are wrong, the gtx 295 was MEMORY limited, not that it cant keep up with high AA. dude you need to learn to read better in english. no offence.

you are correct on the part about the drivers maturing so much.
ati is in the lead for dx11 cards, this was nicely done by ati, since they getting the cards FIRST out to the market.
September 24, 2009 5:31:15 AM

See the Crysis 8xAA benchmarks and you'll know what i mean.
You just didn't understand what i meant. 190% overall means 90% gain over 1 card while same applies to 170%. So if HD5870 is faster so is its CF but NOT driver support..
I meant if (just if) HD5870 can do 60FPS constant in a game. While GTX285 can do 50FPS constant in the same game with same res. and settings. So the HD5870 CF will do 60 + 42 (60/100X70) = 103FPS
While nVida: 50 + 45 (same rule) = 95FPS
So Radeons are better but nVidia's SLI scales better (drivers and support)
And I certainly need to read some more English (well written) novels and such (Shakespeare or Charles Dickens maybe) But you too need to pay more attention to reviews when you read them and read a bit more on computers and mathematics. Again no offense meant here too.

Edit: Yes But more than the cards I'm dying for Crysis 2 with DX11 and.. well.. a HD5870/90 maybe :D 

Medo
September 24, 2009 5:39:44 AM

dude your thing dont make sense?

"60 + 42 (60/100X70) = 103FPS"

what is (60/100X70)?

funny you telling me to read more on computers + math, you're the one who is incorrect with info, don't be ridiculous with the insults. your math equation is a big fail, dont try to insult me.

and again i proved you wrong. 295>5870. you avoided to comment again..

"HD5870 > GTX295 because GTX295 was only able to keep up till like 1920x1080/200 in high graphics intensive games with high AA (see Crysis Bench.)"


you are wrong, the gtx 295 was MEMORY limited, not that it cant keep up with high AA. dude you need to learn to read better in english. no offence.
September 24, 2009 5:47:44 AM

Maybe.. I don't know if 1GB is that much larger than 896MB to make the cards crash. And this more technical than me..
And (60/100X70) meant..
As we study it to find the no. parallel to percentage given (100+70%) you have to..
1. Divide the Maximum (100% reference no.) by 100 (percent) that's 60 divided by 100
2. Then we multiply it by the percentage we want to convert to (70%) that's (60/100) X 70 -%-
We then get the 70% gain and add it aver the reference 100% max.
We call it "Cross Multiplication".

Again it's only theoretical to show what 170% and 190% meant and how the 170% beats the 190%..

Medo
September 24, 2009 5:49:55 AM

psycho sykes said:
Maybe.. I don't know if 1GB is that much larger than 896MB to make the cards crash. And this more technical than me..
And (60/100X70) meant..
As we study it to find the no. parallel to percentage you have to..
1. Divide the Maximum (100% reference no.) by 100 (percent) that's 60 divided by 100
2. Then we multiply it by the percentage we want to convert to (70%) that's (60/100) X 70 -%-
We then get the 70% gain and add it aver the reference 100% max.
We call it "Cross Multiplication".

Again it's only theoretical to show what 170% and 190% meant and how the 170% beats the 190%..

Medo


lol at "cross multiplication". dude are you tryin to insult me again? you are the one coming up with this non sense calculation which is not relevant and is wrong.


and again you still avoided the gtx 295>5870 part, that's funny

you really need to read better and learn some math too, quote from toms review of 5870

"Notice the missing result for Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 295 at 2560x1600 with 8xAA? That’s due to the card not having ample on-board memory to run that configuration"
September 24, 2009 5:55:23 AM

The HD5870 < GTX295 part was answered at the first.
And I ABSOLUTELY don't mean to insult you in any way shape or form! I'm still patient and I'm not saying I'm COMPLETELY right but I prefer to get answers from someone "more" knowledgeable than me and older than me. And still I don't intend to insult you even if you taken it like that.. It's up to you...

--> ^^ And what's "ample" ??
September 24, 2009 6:01:38 AM

i already got a mouse just need a keyboard which everyone here said saitek ii sucks lol. i ono still wondering what keyboard to get. but yea im getting the keyboard from amazon so no worries.

Well have FUN WITH THE ATI NVIDIA WAR!!
September 24, 2009 6:05:01 AM

silvergo said:
i already got a mouse just need a keyboard which everyone here said saitek ii sucks lol. i ono still wondering what keyboard to get. but yea im getting the keyboard from amazon so no worries.

Well have FUN WITH THE ATI NVIDIA WAR!!


Congrats and good luck with your build silvergo. :) 
September 24, 2009 6:07:49 AM

Why didn't you post the final build??
And does this mean you are looking for a keyboard or just saying you picked one because you don't have one??
It's not a WAR! But if it's then i offer peace "overshocks".. It's good to be the one to start with peace!.. Srill i don't see it a war :D 

And I'm sorry we somehow "ruined" this thread.. I'm really are..
September 24, 2009 6:14:42 AM

psycho sykes said:
The HD5870 < GTX295 part was answered at the first.
And I ABSOLUTELY don't mean to insult you in any way shape or form! I'm still patient and I'm not saying I'm COMPLETELY right but I prefer to get answers from someone "more" knowledgeable than me and older than me. And still I don't intend to insult you even if you taken it like that.. It's up to you...

--> ^^ And what's "ample" ??


lol @ this post.
first im more knowledgeable than you.
second age doesnt mean anything. you can be smart or dumb at any age.
third why_me is probably old, he still acts immature and he made mistakes in other threads and gets caught by me then he keeps flaming on me now..no offence

ample means more than adequate in size, scope, or capacity
September 24, 2009 6:25:21 AM

"first im more knowledgeable than you."
PROVE IT!! Just kidding :lol:  I don't mean to insult you even if you choose to take it like that because you think the same of people just without saying..
-----------------------------------------------------------
Still i prefer to get info from more experienced people and i don't think you experienced any of those devices (while i did thanks for my father working in a computer building company)
And age isn't in any way connected to knowledge but has a very firm connection with how the one behave and present his information.
Also it's not appropriate to talk like that about someone you don't know and you're thinking he's old this makes it even worse..
I know that google (and online dictionaries) are our friends (all of us. proofed now!)

I really hope this is over..
September 24, 2009 6:50:36 AM

Yes, it is over.
!