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Quality, Speed and Reliability of Intel & AMD CPU's?

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December 12, 2009 5:42:00 AM

Is the Phenom II x4 965 (3.4GHz) worth the extra $20 compared to the Phenom II x4 955 (3.2GHz) its only a 200MHz increase.
I don't plan to overclock ether so it doesn't matter which one can OC better.

OK........this question might be stupid because there are TONS of reviews on Intel vs AMD. But' I was wondering witch would be the better for someone wanting a stable, Fast, and Good Quality Processor. Yes I have read alot about Intel vs AMD but I thought I would ask someone here. And I really DON'T want people just saying...Oh Intel is better than amd by far! or AMD is the best!.... Those threads never get anywhere! I understand Intel CPU's are on top right now but I think AMD is just as good! Of all the research I have done to determine which is the better of the two I have decided it is just a matter of Opinion.
I REALLY want your input!
Thanks! :) 
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December 12, 2009 6:24:12 AM

stratego51 said:
Is the Phenom II x4 965 (3.4GHz) worth the extra $20 compared to the Phenom II x4 955 (3.2GHz) its only a 200MHz increase.
I don't plan to overclock ether so it doesn't matter which one can OC better.

OK........this question might be stupid because there are TONS of reviews on Intel vs AMD. But' I was wondering witch would be the better for someone wanting a stable, Fast, and Good Quality Processor. Yes I have read alot about Intel vs AMD but I thought I would ask someone here. And I really DON'T want people just saying...Oh Intel is better than amd by far! or AMD is the best!.... Those threads never get anywhere! I understand Intel CPU's are on top right now but I think AMD is just as good! Of all the research I have done to determine which is the better of the two I have decided it is just a matter of Opinion.
I REALLY want your input!
Thanks! :) 

It's not a matter of opinion but rather a matter of definition. I define best as in best overall performance. In that case it would be the Intel Core i7 Processor and as such it is my current favorite product from either manufacturer.

As far as stability goes, Intel Chipsets tend to be top notch in that department but ATi chipset (AMD) are catching up. They still have a few issues when it comes to USB and SATA performance (RAID) but as time goes by they should be ironed out.

Speed = Core i7

Quality? I would put both on the same level there.

AMD does hold the best price/performance in the value segment though and that seems to be all they have going for them right now.

PS.. I would go for the Phenom II X4 955 over the 965.
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December 12, 2009 7:32:00 AM

At any given CPU speed, I doubt if 98% of computer users could tell what's inside the box in a blind test.
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December 12, 2009 7:59:30 AM

bang for your buck amd is the go both have been reliable in the past for me have had my fair share of dead motherboards so i would be the most worried about what motherboard you get rather than your cpu for the reliability. personally i have been with intel ever since they went past single cores and every single cpu i have owned has overclocked minimum 40% 24/7 and i havent one of them die yet. i know thats not what you want urs for but i have found intels easier to get big stable clocks to me that means a good tolerance and margin for error in their manufacture. go the 955 doesnt sound like you want the big clocks anyways.
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December 12, 2009 9:14:47 AM

What are you planning to use the PC for? As far as quality goes, if the CPU is not DOA (rare) then the rest of your components will likely die long before the CPU, in either manufacturer's case. I would be running an Athlon Thunderbird had I not sold the rig recently. People still run 386's.
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December 12, 2009 9:25:24 AM

As stated both are fast/stable and good quality.

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December 12, 2009 11:27:20 AM

So as many have stated they are equally good.....just get the best deal you can and run with it......cause prices never stay the same and new processors are always coming out!!!!!
(wispers....go intel...lolol!)
JQ
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December 12, 2009 12:38:27 PM

if ur not planning to oc, just get a 945 95w?
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December 12, 2009 1:39:51 PM

jasont78 said:
have had my fair share of dead motherboards so i would be the most worried about what

I have been lucky. I have not seen any DOA motherboards in, well, never. But I've built only about twenty (not counting give-away systems built out of junk parts) in the past 10 years or so
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December 12, 2009 3:50:35 PM

Thanks for the reapply's! That pretty much answers my Questions :D 
Would this rig be a good one?

ASUS M4N82 Deluxe Motherboard Hybrid SLI, 3-Way SLI

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core Processor - 3.20GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz FSB,

OCZ SLI-Ready Dual Channel 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz (or would 1066 be better)

9800GTX

Thanks agin :) 


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December 12, 2009 7:24:53 PM

jsc said:
I have been lucky. I have not seen any DOA motherboards in, well, never. But I've built only about twenty (not counting give-away systems built out of junk parts) in the past 10 years or so



The most common failures are:

Hard Drives

Power Supplies

Motherboards

RAM


I have personally only seen a handful of dead cpus. Usually they were seriously abused: overclocking, failed fans, etc..
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December 12, 2009 7:41:20 PM

Intel has historically grabbed "mindshare" as the performance leader whereas AMD has historically worn the image as "value leader". Same is true in the GFX arena.
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December 12, 2009 8:08:04 PM

randomizer said:
What are you planning to use the PC for? As far as quality goes, if the CPU is not DOA (rare) then the rest of your components will likely die long before the CPU, in either manufacturer's case. I would be running an Athlon Thunderbird had I not sold the rig recently. People still run 386's.


Those Athlon T-Birds were great in their day. :) 

As for Intel vs AMD: Intel is the performance champion today. AMD is the price champion. As far as reliability, it's much like Randomizer said. As long as it works from day one, your life expectancy is about the same.

As far as Phenom II X4 965 vs Phenom II X4 955... unless you're a real stickler for having the fastest and best (which would be i7 really) I'd save the $20 and get the 955. Spend that $20 on something else. The 200Mhz difference is not going to become a dealer breaker. And if you ever did choose to OverClock in the future, that small difference would disappear really quick anyhow.
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December 13, 2009 12:24:29 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
Intel has historically grabbed "mindshare" as the performance leader whereas AMD has historically worn the image as "value leader". Same is true in the GFX arena.

History and image in the minds of customers is irrelevant. One must look at the facts here and now. I'm not saying that what you said was wrong, just that it's a strawman argument regardless of who you say is the "value leader" or whatever.
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December 13, 2009 10:29:16 AM

why are you buying DDR2 memory? you should be going with AM3 board with DDR3

"ASUS M4N82 Deluxe Motherboard Hybrid SLI, 3-Way SLI

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core Processor - 3.20GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz FSB,

OCZ SLI-Ready Dual Channel 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz (or would 1066 be better)

9800GTX
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Isn't the 9800GTX too old? what resolution are you playing if its for gaming?
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December 13, 2009 9:42:33 PM

goonting said:
why are you buying DDR2 memory? you should be going with AM3 board with DDR3

"ASUS M4N82 Deluxe Motherboard Hybrid SLI, 3-Way SLI

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core Processor - 3.20GHz, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz FSB,

OCZ SLI-Ready Dual Channel 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz (or would 1066 be better)

9800GTX
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Isn't the 9800GTX too old? what resolution are you playing if its for gaming?


Thats the only ASUS AM3 Motherboard that supports SLI that I could find' and only supports DDR2. I already have the 9800GTX. I am running a 22" monitor. I want a 24" could my card run a 24"? That's why I wanted that board so I can just buy another one and stick it in there.
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December 13, 2009 10:10:20 PM

My 22" and 24" monitors have the same native resolution of 1080p. LOL
Resolution is what counts.
Since you're going to go SLI the 9800 pair should run most games ok.
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December 13, 2009 11:03:02 PM

stratego51 said:
Thats the only ASUS AM3 Motherboard that supports SLI that I could find' and only supports DDR2. I already have the 9800GTX. I am running a 22" monitor. I want a 24" could my card run a 24"? That's why I wanted that board so I can just buy another one and stick it in there.

It's actually a AM2+ motherboard that supports AM3,AM2+,AM2 CPU's
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December 13, 2009 11:36:19 PM

popatim said:
My 22" and 24" monitors have the same native resolution of 1080p. LOL
Resolution is what counts.
Since you're going to go SLI the 9800 pair should run most games ok.

Ya I know that.....lol I said that because most 24" monitors are 1080p so I didn't see the need specify the Screen res :lol: 
Could 'one' card run all the games on a 24"?
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December 13, 2009 11:39:27 PM

jj463rd said:
It's actually a AM2+ motherboard that supports AM3,AM2+,AM2 CPU's

Oh didn't know that..lol Would that be a good board to go with since its not ddr3? Would it make a noticeable difference? I really want an SLI board :sarcastic: 
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December 13, 2009 11:51:27 PM

stratego51 said:
Oh didn't know that..lol Would that be a good board to go with since its not ddr3? Would it make a noticeable difference? I really want an SLI board :sarcastic: 


Not a major noticeable difference.It depends on the type of DDR2 memory used though.With DDR2 1066 memory the difference between using that and DDR3 -1333 memory would be negligible just a few percent in lesser performance.With slower DDR2 memory like DDR2-800 it will be a little larger but not significant.Slower DDR2 memory than that would not be advised though.


The major difference is that AM3 specific (DDR3 memory type) motherboards will likely have longer future CPU support but an AM2+ motherboard would be less costly and could be quite adequate.
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December 13, 2009 11:58:13 PM

jj463rd said:
Not a major noticeable difference.It depends on the type of DDR2 memory used though.With DDR2 1066 memory the difference between using that and DDR3 -1333 memory would be negligible just a few percent in lesser performance.With slower DDR2 memory like DDR2-800 it will be a little larger but not significant.Slower DDR2 memory than that would not be advised though.


The major difference is that AM3 specific (DDR3 memory type) motherboards will likely have longer future CPU support but an AM2+ motherboard would be less costly and could be quite adequate.

So I guess I'll go with DDR2 1066
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December 13, 2009 11:59:07 PM

the difference between ddr2 and ddr3 is negligible
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December 14, 2009 11:28:33 AM

Both memory types have been creeping up substantially in price.
Last year I got 8 gigabytes(4 sticks of 2 GB) of DDR2-800 RAM for around $108.
The system which I built a few weeks ago I obtained 4 GB of DDR3-1600.
Since then it has gone up 50% in price at newegg.It wasn't even on sale either.
I don't know why but memory prices have been going up just like some of the ATI graphics cards.
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December 14, 2009 11:31:39 AM

The cost of memory chips has more than doubled this year.
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December 14, 2009 11:37:53 AM

Is there a reason to the price increase?
Does anyone know like increased demand/lower supply?
Or is it that the worldwide economy has done poorly so the corporations are making up for any loss by increasing the price on consumers.
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December 15, 2009 12:06:49 AM

Supply is down because in recent history it's been ridiculously high (outweighing demand) and thing are balancing out. It was something to do with price fixing. I don't remember the details so you'd have to do some research.
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