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I7 860 build - pulling the trigger tomorrow night

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September 25, 2009 3:43:08 AM

Here’s a new i7 860 build I’m about to start. Plan to order parts in next 24 hours. What do you think?

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor (have Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP, resolution is 1680x1050), speakers, OS (have Windows 7 Home x64 on pre-order)

I have decided to skip thermal paste and an aftermarket cooler at this point. I hope that doesn’t prove to be a dumb decision. Also, I don’t plan on doing CF/SLI.

CPU
Core i7 860 Processor Boxed $229.99

MOTHER BOARD
ASUS P7P55D LGA 1156 Intel P55 $149.99
The mother board has been one of the tougher decisions. I still haven’t made my mind up completely, but this is the direction I’m leaning.

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $79.99

GPU
GIGABYTE GV-R467ZL-1GI Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 $59.99 (after $10 rebate)

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache $62 (already ordered when on sale last week)

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC $54.99 (after $20 rebate)

CD/DVD Writer
SAMSUNG Black 22X $24.99

CASE
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-BWN1-GP $35.79

Total Cost: $702.41
Excludes monitor and OS - the OS I will get for $30 or $40 using either Microsoft discount or MicroCenter pre-order. I'll probably throw a 120mm case fan in for front intake, so add another $5-$10 for that.
September 25, 2009 3:49:55 AM

Very good. Except..... What are you going to use it for?
September 25, 2009 3:54:04 AM

ekoostik said:
Here’s a new i7 860 build I’m about to start. Plan to order parts in next 24 hours. What do you think?

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor (have Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP, resolution is 1680x1050), speakers, OS (have Windows 7 Home x64 on pre-order)

I have decided to skip thermal paste and an aftermarket cooler at this point. I hope that doesn’t prove to be a dumb decision. Also, I don’t plan on doing CF/SLI.

CPU
Core i7 860 Processor Boxed $229.99

MOTHER BOARD
ASUS P7P55D LGA 1156 Intel P55 $149.99
The mother board has been one of the tougher decisions. I still haven’t made my mind up completely, but this is the direction I’m leaning.

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $79.99

GPU
GIGABYTE GV-R467ZL-1GI Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 $59.99 (after $10 rebate)

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache $62 (already ordered when on sale last week)

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC $54.99 (after $20 rebate)

CD/DVD Writer
SAMSUNG Black 22X $24.99

CASE
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-BWN1-GP $35.79

Total Cost: $702.41
Excludes monitor and OS - the OS I will get for $30 or $40 using either Microsoft discount or MicroCenter pre-order. I'll probably throw a 120mm case fan in for front intake, so add another $5-$10 for that.


I would definitely get a bigger PSU... 450 seems a bit small to me. What are you planning to use the computer for? Also I don't know much about the case you selected but I would make sure its not a POS case. You don't want to skimp out on the case or the PSU. A bad PSU can destroy your system and a case is something you can reuse over and over so it doesnt hurt to invest a little more at first for a good one.
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September 25, 2009 4:02:54 AM

450 W Pu should be enough for that build.

I suggest saving a bit of money on the motherboard. Buy a cheaper one that is around $100. Gigabyte GA- P55M-UD2 is a good board.

You didn't outline you uses for the computer, but if you plan on gaming, invest in a better GPU like the 4870.
September 25, 2009 4:04:59 AM

Oh and if you plan to O/C, how much?

For gaming i honestly think he should go at least 550W for the PSU but that's just me.
September 25, 2009 4:10:30 AM

Nobody here can give you an honest answer without knowing a few things like your budget, what this pc's intended use is, what parts if any do you already have, what is your resolution...

*on a side note...if that pc is intended for gaming then that build is a total mess imo.
September 25, 2009 4:11:48 AM

Why_Me said:
Nobody here can give you an honest answer without knowing a few things like your budget, what this pc's intended use is, what parts if any do you already have, what is your resolution...

*on a side note...if that pc is intended for gaming then that build is a total mess imo.


he has res listed and I agree that info would help. It isnt TO bad lol.
September 25, 2009 4:16:49 AM

It looks as if it would be used for regular day-to-day use.

I'll agree with not skimping on the case or PSU. I skimped the PSU once and ended up killing a new $500 E5200 build. I will never do that again. Always round up from your minimum recommended power needs.
September 25, 2009 4:17:18 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $124.94 Free Shipping*
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail

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GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL - Retail
SAPPHIRE 100279-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

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LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD/CD Writer LightScribe Support - Retail

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SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail

Total: $723.92
September 25, 2009 4:19:56 AM

Why_Me said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $124.94 Free Shipping*
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$15.00 Combo Price: $294.98 Free Shipping*
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$15.00 Combo Price: $219.98 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL - Retail
SAPPHIRE 100279-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $33.99 Free Shipping*
LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD/CD Writer LightScribe Support - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 Free Shipping*
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail

Total: $723.92


Hey Why_Me.. leave my fellow 860 user alone.. if he wants his 860 dang it he can have it! haha..

Also nice build :D  just saying.. he wants an 860 and i vote he should get it!
September 25, 2009 4:21:51 AM

cgleckman said:
Hey Why_Me.. leave my fellow 860 user alone.. if he wants his 860 dang it he can have it! haha..

Also nice build :D  just saying.. he wants an 860 and i vote he should get it!


Like the poster era86 pointed out, the OP's build is most likely intended for general use, for the fact nobody in their right mind would use that build for gaming unless it was for flash games.
September 25, 2009 4:24:37 AM

Why_Me said:
Like the poster era86 pointed out, the OP's build is most likely intended for general use, for the fact nobody in their right mind would use that build for gaming unless it was for flash games.


haha I didn't say his build was good but he wants an 860, we've been chatting here and there about it, so if it is for gaming I agree it needs to be fixed a bit.
September 25, 2009 4:36:21 AM

Uh oh! 860 vs 750 again!?!?! Haha, I'm gonna have to say I5 assuming it is day-to-day. If it is for gaming, well, we need to start alllllll over!
September 25, 2009 4:55:52 AM

era86 said:
Uh oh! 860 vs 750 again!?!?! Haha, I'm gonna have to say I5 assuming it is day-to-day. If it is for gaming, well, we need to start alllllll over!


I have been chatting with why_me alot lately.. hes been a big help with some stuff so I just had to give him a hard time lol.
September 25, 2009 11:34:47 AM

Thanks everyone for all the responses. I posted right before going to bed. You guys have been busy while I slept.

To answer the #1 question you asked: No, this is not intended as a gaming PC.

This is replacing a Sony Vaio P4 1.5GHz machine I got back in 2000, maybe 2001. The current PC just crawls so I wanted to build something that would hopefully last another 5-10 years, unless I win the lottery between now and then. I do some video editing (home movie stuff), light picture retouching, and otherwise is a home PC (Internet, email, Office apps, etc). I'm considering streaming movies, Hulu, etc, from the PC to my TV (32", 1920x1080). As I noted before, my monitor is a 22" 1680x1050.

So, given that, would you still say the build is "a mess"?

To Why_Me's suggestion about the 750 - I probably could get by with the i5. But this is one place where I let my wants rule over my needs. And I justify it to myself using the excuse that I can get the 860 from MicroCenter for only $30 more than most people will pay for the 750.

The PSU received high marks from HardwawreSecrets.com, and they note Corsair underrated it - that it can deliver up to 570W at 48C. I don't expect to pull more than 200-250 most of the time so I think I'm fine here.


About the motherboard - I was leaning towards ATX because I thought I'd want more room to work with. Do you think that's a good consideration? I wouldn't mind saving more money on the motherboard. But I've also been afraid to look at boards other than Asus or Gigabyte. Any help/advice here is definitely appreciated.


Thanks for all the challenges/questions and comments. Keep 'em coming!
September 25, 2009 2:32:58 PM

ekoostik said:
Thanks everyone for all the responses. I posted right before going to bed. You guys have been busy while I slept.

To answer the #1 question you asked: No, this is not intended as a gaming PC.

This is replacing a Sony Vaio P4 1.5GHz machine I got back in 2000, maybe 2001. The current PC just crawls so I wanted to build something that would hopefully last another 5-10 years, unless I win the lottery between now and then. I do some video editing (home movie stuff), light picture retouching, and otherwise is a home PC (Internet, email, Office apps, etc). I'm considering streaming movies, Hulu, etc, from the PC to my TV (32", 1920x1080). As I noted before, my monitor is a 22" 1680x1050.

So, given that, would you still say the build is "a mess"?

To Why_Me's suggestion about the 750 - I probably could get by with the i5. But this is one place where I let my wants rule over my needs. And I justify it to myself using the excuse that I can get the 860 from MicroCenter for only $30 more than most people will pay for the 750.

The PSU received high marks from HardwawreSecrets.com, and they note Corsair underrated it - that it can deliver up to 570W at 48C. I don't expect to pull more than 200-250 most of the time so I think I'm fine here.


About the motherboard - I was leaning towards ATX because I thought I'd want more room to work with. Do you think that's a good consideration? I wouldn't mind saving more money on the motherboard. But I've also been afraid to look at boards other than Asus or Gigabyte. Any help/advice here is definitely appreciated.


Thanks for all the challenges/questions and comments. Keep 'em coming!


Well the build needs some critiquing imo. Also what is your budget? Buy giving us a budget we can help design the system you want for the price you want.

Also I am guessing you do NOT plan to overclock?
September 25, 2009 2:36:53 PM

My OC plans are either none to very slight. If there's an easy bios change that can raise things slightly then I'll do it. I plan on keeping HyperThreading on. I really like the low power draw at idle & don't want to sacrifice that by OCing too much.

The parts as listed come to ~$700. My goal was to keep it at or under $750.
September 25, 2009 2:43:22 PM

ekoostik said:
My OC plans are either none to very slight. If there's an easy bios change that can raise things slightly then I'll do it. I plan on keeping HyperThreading on. I really like the low power draw at idle & don't want to sacrifice that by OCing too much.

The parts as listed come to ~$700. My goal was to keep it at or under $750.


Well I haven't overclocked myself yet, however I do plan to here in a few weeks once the parts for my new 860 build get here.

To quote Why_me "Its as easy as pressing a few buttons."

From everything I have read hes right. You literally click a few buttons, change the setting to whatever speed you want, and it does the rest.

Also there is nothing wrong with Asus, I don't know much about that board itself but I am getting the same board just the pro version. ( ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail )

I think you are good on the board you chose because its just for everyday. Anyway let me play around a bit and see if I can get an iy 860 build for around that price, that will do what you need.
September 25, 2009 2:44:42 PM

oh and btw, the ram special where the ram was 79.99 is over. Its back up to 86 now.
September 25, 2009 3:06:48 PM

You know what, in all honesty. I don't think your build really needs to be changed. I still would go up a notch on the PSU just in case, but otherwise I thought it was worse then it is. I don't really know what most of these guys are talking about as far as it needing to be redone.

Hopefully one of them can tell you lol...

I think for what you want and need, it will work fine.

P.S: I don't know if your GPU will project well onto the 32 inch tv you mentioned. I don't know how all of that works so hopefully someone else can tell you. For just pictures and stuff I am sure it will be fine though.
September 25, 2009 3:42:52 PM

cgleckman-
Thanks for reviewing and posting feedback.
September 25, 2009 8:23:41 PM

Ok so I was ready to go out to MicroCenter today and pick up my motherboard. The Asus P7P55D. But I looked online and they jacked the price up $10. It's only $10, but when you consider taxes that puts it in the price range of the Asus P55 Pro shipped. Add in the fact that I don't like them monkeying with prices and I'm really not happy about this change.

So I went out to New Egg to have another look at the mother boards with the intent of just ordering from them. But I found a Gigabyte board out there that I had not seen before. The Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3L. It's $125. (Hm, apparently there may not be free shipping. Not such a sweet deal anymore. But still worth considering.)

So they have 3 similar models, the UD3, UD3L, and UD3R. Does anyone know how their naming convention works? Or what the differences are? I'm trying to determine the main differences between these 3 boards and am not seeing much.

Edit after further research:
The differences I've been able to track down between the 3L and the 3R:

1. The 3R costs $15 more, but the 3L does not appear to have free shipping (prices from NewEgg)

2. The 3R has a JMB362 SATA2 chip supporting 2x eSata and RAID - and those eSata ports are exposed on the back panel, the 3L does not have this chip thus has no eSata

3. The 3R has an 8-pin ATX 12V power connector, the 3L has a 4-pin connector
QUESTION: What is this for? Why do care whether it's 4-pin vs. 8-pin?

4. The 3R has INTERNAL 1x serial port header and 1x parallel port header, the 3L has these ports exposed on the back panel

5. The 3R has 10 USB ports on the back panel, the 3L has 8 USB ports on the back panel

6. The 3R has 6x audio jacks on the back panel, the 3L has 3x

7. The 3R has optical S/PDIF Out on the back panel, the 3L does not

8. The 3R is standard size ATX 30.5cm x 24.4cm, the 3L is 30.5cm x 19.0cm

September 25, 2009 8:39:07 PM

Thanks Medo. I posted too fast. (Shoot first, ask questions later. Or is it ask questions first, do my own research later?) Anyway I found that link afterwards and updated my comment, just not fast enough. See above for the breakdown. I'd be tempted to go 3L if it was free shipping. But at the same time, it might be too many steps 'backwards' for me. I've got no need for serial and parallel ports.
September 25, 2009 9:43:07 PM

P55 chip has RAID support so you don't lose it.
I don't think anyone would use P-ATA now!
Also i don't think you would need more than 8 USB 2.0 ports!
I think the 8-pin'ed main-board can provide more juice for CPU OC'es
September 25, 2009 10:06:30 PM

I just stepped up to i7 this week- i7 860 also from Microcenter- do they have great deals on i7 or what!!! i7 860 build and i7 920 build was only $30 difference ($229 vs $199 respectively for the chips but the X58 mobo was $30 more than the P55 one I chose- the difference comes in the extra 2GB stick of DDR3). Since you're not going SLI, may I suggest the MSI CD53 motherboard? On Amazon, it's $119, no tax and I think free shipping. I bought the MSI GD65 motherboard because I wanted the option of SLI or Crossfire and it was $154. I picked up 4GB of GSKILL DDR3-1600 from the `bay. I think both the 53 and the 65 have OC Genie which is apparently a one button auto overclock solution on the motherboard. I haven't tried it but apparently it sets up a conservative overclock with not too much intervention. The UD2 motherboard I think is mATX while the MSI is ATX also.
September 25, 2009 10:10:41 PM

The i7 8xx is $199.99 on NewEgg however i7 9xx's deal is the real great one here!
I don't trust MSI's main-boards..
September 25, 2009 11:41:00 PM

ekoostik said:
About the motherboard - I was leaning towards ATX because I thought I'd want more room to work with. Do you think that's a good consideration? I wouldn't mind saving more money on the motherboard. But I've also been afraid to look at boards other than Asus or Gigabyte. Any help/advice here is definitely appreciated.


Asus and Gigabyte are two of the biggest motherboard makers. You shouldn't be afraid of them. Bigger ATX boards just offer more expansion slots. If you don't need them, don't pay for them. I picked the GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 to show you because it's the cheapest board with a very respectable brand. It has the PCI-E x16 for your GPU, PCI-E x4, and 2 PCI slots.

I only use the x16 slot for my GPU in my computer and the rest are empty. This is the way a majority of computers are set up, and your current build doesn't include any other expansion cards, so I though it would be a good choice for you. UD2 is a good board for $110, but you can't go wrong with a UD3L for only $15 more. I would recommend that one if you want ATX.

Some people have been recommending a better power supply, but it's not necessary at all. You could even save more money an get a 350 W PSU.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-...

This article shows an 870 + 4870X2 reaching a max load of 520 W

Let's do some math. You were looking at a 4670, with a TDP of 59 W Vs. 4870X2 used in that article with a TDP of 350 W. We can assume the 860 will draw around the same amount of power as the 870. I'm fairly certain that Tom's measures the power from the wall outlet, and they used a PSU with an 80+ Silver rating, meaning it typically has an efficiency of just over 85%.

520W * .85 - (350 - 59) = 151 W

And that is under max load also. The GPU may not have been at full load when tested, and other variables give this number an uncertainty, but you should be safe with as little as 200W PSU. You could even go with a 350 W one to be safe.

From a PSU calculator
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Quote:
System Type:1 physical CPU
Motherboard: Regular - Desktop
CPU: Intel Core i7 860 2800 MHz Lynnfield
CPU Utilization (TDP):85% TDP

RAM: 2 Sticks DDR3 SDRAM
Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4670
Video Type: Single Card

Regular SATA: 1 HDD

DVD-RW/DVD+RW Drive: 1 Drive

USB: 4 Devices

Fans
Regular: 3 Fans 120mm;

Keyboard and mouse: Yes

System Load: 90 %

Recommended Wattage: 215 Watts


I doubt you would even reach that load with your system because of the tasks you'll be using it for.
September 25, 2009 11:44:12 PM

He said he's afraid to look for other brands than Asus and GigaByte not afraid of them!
September 25, 2009 11:54:54 PM

My bad. I should read things more carefully next time. :p 
September 26, 2009 12:36:26 AM

Thanks for all the feedback.

Paranoid - appreciate the detailed breakdown.

I'm going to take everyone's advice and look at the boards with the least components first to see if that meets my needs. I think part of the reason I had (originally) picked the Asus P7P55D was I wanted the eSata port. But I don't even own an eSata device - I just thought I might one day. Just like my current machine which I got ~8 years ago with a firewire port that I never used!

I've considered in the future adding a TV tuner, and could see myself wanting to add an eSata card or USB 3.0 depending on how that technology shakes out. So I think I'll take a look at what kind of slots a TV tuner needs and an eSata card and then see if I can't just get by with one of the cheapest boards. That would give me what I need now, plus some possibility for minimal expansion later.
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