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September 25, 2009 4:43:28 AM

I'm hoping to buy the parts from newegg.ca within the next week or even sooner depending on if I'm completely certain of the parts I'm getting. I'd like to keep it under 1500, and the cheaper the better.

I'll be using the computer for a lot of gaming (I'm thinking, like, Crysis, Frontlines, COD6 Soon), video editing with Vegas, After Effects, etc (editing and playing 1080 HD Video will be required), and quite a bit of animating in 3ds Max, Maya, etc.

I don't intend to "overclock". I just don't think it's safe, and I think it shortens the life span or something.

I have a 1920x1200 24 inch monitor, so adjust the graphics card requirements for gaming accordingly, I suppose. I'd like it to not lag at all, or very little, while playing.

I only need the cpu, motherboard, ram, graphics card, and power supply. (Maybe liquid cooling, read on.) I'm also interested in a cheap but decent new case. Maybe with some glowing color inside, maybe with one of those windows on the side, just suggest anything you fancy.

(And keep in mind I'm in Canada, so I cannot get things from newegg.com)

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So the main parts:

I can’t decide now between the Core i7 920 or 860. They’re both better on different things in different charts, and the 860 is only plus $10.00. However, “The Core i7-860 has a clock speed of 2.8GHz and a TDP of 95W, while Core i7-920 operates at 2.66GHz with a TDP of 130W.” So I suppose saving power is a plus, and would the additional .14GHz make it noticeably better?
Core i7 920
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Core i7 860
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Do you guys think I'll need liquid cooling too? If so what kind, and where?
If not, should I install like 10 fans?


As for the motherboard, I really just chose it based on price but not the the completely cheapest.
ECS X58B-A2 Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
I'd like to not spend too much on the motherboard, but provide any compelling arguments against my cheapness, if it'll help the computer significantly.


For the memory, I chose 6gb(3x2gb) because it was the best deal. I was going to get twelve but it's cheaper to get another 6gb package later on if need be. And the 8gb packages are more expensive than the twelves, which is weird.
Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


I'm not sure how much power I'll need, and the calculators online told me I need 350W so I just gave up and chose 750; seemed average.
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready/Compatible with Core i7
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


And finally the graphics card, and I can't at all decide what's right for me.
I have no preference to any brand, because I've never really had a dedicated graphics card before.
A few I've liked are; the HD Radeon 4890, the GTX 280, and maybe the GTX 285 or the HD Radeon 4870-X2. I'm thinking I won't go with the 4890; I'm almost certain it won't be powerful enough.

Aaaand, that's about it. Thanks in advance for any advice you've got. :) !
September 25, 2009 6:17:25 AM

For the i7 920 you need an x58 motherboard, for the i7 860 you need a p55 motherboard. They are both so close in performance and price its hard to pick.

The differences would be the x58 uses triple channel memory and the p55 uses dual channel so the x58 gives you an extra option. Also the x58 will let you drop in an i9 6 core when they come out. For doing animation those two might make the 920/x58 more attractive. For gaming it wont make any difference.

The graphics card you want is the HD 5870 that just shipped this week. Its DX11 compatible, can handle 3 monitors at once and is as fast as a 4870x2. It sold out and was restocked a couple times already this week so if you want one you have to pay attention grab then when they come in. Its about the same price as a 4870x2.
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September 25, 2009 6:31:29 AM

I'm still torn between the two. If you were me, would you choose the 920?

If it's as fast as the 4870x2, which is $50 cheaper( http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... ), could I get the 4870x2 instead? I don't think I'll ever have three monitors. However, what is DX11? Is it better than DX9 or 10?
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September 25, 2009 6:38:00 AM

matt_01 said:
I'm still torn between the two. If you were me, would you choose the 920?
At the same price and given you will be doing animation that might make use if the additional memory, future 6 core CPU (and maybe even dx11?) why choose the 860 over the 920?

matt_01 said:
However, what is DX11? Is it better than DX9 or 10?

DX10 is better than DX9 (in terms of image quality). If the tesselation feature of DX11 is used, you get the DX10 image quality substantially faster so old games with DX9 or DX10 it will perform the same, newer or upgraded games with tesselation it should play a few times faster. One hopes that software developers will follow the lead of battelforge, alien vs predator and dirt 2 and start to make use of tesselation to improve their performance over the next few years. Part of that will depend on how fast windows 7 and DX11 GPUs sell.
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September 25, 2009 6:49:34 AM

Keep in mind a few things:

1. The 5870 JUST came out and is a brand new architecture. Driver's haven't matured, games haven't been optimised, and it still matches the performance of a 4870x2 overall. There's every reason to assume the 5870 has more optimisations and improvements ahead of it than the 4870x2.

2. ATi claims that the new DirectCompute implementation will have enormous performance implications. Current games and benchmarks don't test this very well. Again, more big things are coming.

3. DX11 is the new version of DirectX. Basically, every so often DX gets a new version, which mandates certain features and capabilities any "DirectX-capable" board must have. Game developers choose a version of DirectX to require, and later versions (since they require more hardware features) add new graphical effects and code options. In general, developers wait until an old generation of cards is too slow to keep up with modern games anyway before moving on to a new version of DirectX. Since most people don't have these new DX11 cards yet, game developers won't make DX11-only games for at least a couple years, but when they do, this is the very first line of cards that will potentially be supported. If you want future-proofing, this is the way to go - eventually, even if your 4870x2 performs just as well, it will not be supported for new DX11 games.

4. The 5870 consumes a LOT less power (about 50% less, check the review from this site for exact figures) than the 4870x2, which is never a bad thing.

Personally, I would not think twice and go for the 5870 if I were planning on spending anywhere from $300 up on a GPU. It's the only option that makes sense for the high end price range right now.

If you are patient, you can wait till the 5850s are in stock. They are almost as fast and cost under $300. They won't quite keep up with a 4870x2 but they will be pretty close and they still beat any single GPU card (4890 2GB, GTX 285, etc.).
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September 25, 2009 7:16:36 AM

Yeah, I suppose you're right. It's only fifty bucks too.
So, I've got the Core i7 920. $310
And the Radeon HD 5870 $405 ( Would you choose Sapphire or Gigabyte? It's only a dollar difference.)
So 715 total.

As for the rest of the parts;the cooling systems(?), the motherboard, the psu, the memory, the case, etc- Got any suggestions?
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September 25, 2009 11:49:10 AM

matt_01 said:
Yeah, I suppose you're right. It's only fifty bucks too.
So, I've got the Core i7 920. $310
And the Radeon HD 5870 $405 ( Would you choose Sapphire or Gigabyte? It's only a dollar difference.)
So 715 total.

As for the rest of the parts;the cooling systems(?), the motherboard, the psu, the memory, the case, etc- Got any suggestions?


http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42433&vpn=X58%20... $226.86 CAD
ASRock X58 Extreme ATX LGA1366 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 Quad CrossFireX Quad SLI Eup Ready Motherboard

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... $79.99
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26415&vpn=CMPSU-... $111.99 CAD After Mail In Rebate: $89.99 CAD
Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35847&vpn=SCMG-2... $34.99 CAD
Scythe Mugen 2 Heatpipe CPU Heatsink LGA1366 LGA775 Socket AM2 120MM

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26895&vpn=MX-2T&... $9.99 CAD
Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... $149.99 (Before $20.00 USD Mail-In Rebate Card)
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retai
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