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September 25, 2009 8:35:47 PM

studioCJF EDIT 10.11.2009: Update of final build list

Hello...

I just joined this board but have been lurking for awhile... mainly in the "New System Build" forum were I have learned a lot and have borrowed heavily from other CAD systems discussed here

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Before Nov 1, 2009

BUDGET: $1200 - $1500 (Case + Internals + OS)

SYSTEM USAGE: CAD Drafting (AutoCAD & Revit 2010) MS Small Office Suite, QuickBooks Pro, Photoshop Elements 7, Net Surfing, Minimal Gaming if at all

PREFERRED WEBSITE: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel Core i7-920 / 24"(min) LCD monitor / Nice looking Minimalist Case

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920 x 1200

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI/CROSSFIRE: Not Required

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
I have mostly used Dells and this is my first BYO... I have never OCed but plan on moderate OC (3.5-3.8 ghz) of the i7-920. CAD drafting programs do not utilize SLI/Crossfire but I plan on using a high quality ATI-4870 based graphics card for this system and ATI based cards are reported to be more compatible with Revit. I know I will probably get comments on my case choice... but I would really like a LIAN LI but not prepared to spend +$200 on a case... and don't spank me... but I also like cases with front panel doors... as long as the power/reset button is exposed... So can you tell I'm an Architect and self-proclaimed modernist... :D 

I can probably save a few $ on the Memory Sticks and Graphics Card (Options Please) and I can also hold off on the Keyboard/Mouse and reuse my existing for a little longer

Anyway here goes...

StudioCJF CADbox
System Components: Internals

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
In Stock $179.99 -$60.00 Instant $119.99

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
In Stock $169.99
Originally selected GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P /Newegg "Deactivated Item"

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
In Stock $288.99 -$9.00 Instant $279.99

Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
In Stock $34.99

GELID Solutions GC-Extreme Thermal Compound - Retail
In Stock $13.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail
In Stock $7.98


CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8 G - Retail
In Stock $149.99 -$10.00 Instant $139.99
Mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 998679 - Retail
In Stock $155.99 -$5.00 Instant $150.99


SAPPHIRE TOXIC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
In Stock $189.99 -$10.00 Instant $179.99
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
In Stock $154.99


Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
In Stock $99.99 -$10.00 Instant $89.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive - OEM
In Stock $79.99 -$10.00 Instant $69.99


SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
In Stock $31.99
LITE-ON DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM
In Stock $30.99


System Components: Externals + Software

Tuniq 3 IC-TQ3-US-BK Black Aluminum front bezel, 0.8mm SECC chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
In Stock $69.99 -$10.00 Instant $59.99

UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch Widescreen Flat Panel LCD Monitor with Height Adjustable Stand
In Stock @ Dell.com $549.99
Note: Not Purchased - Research Best Price
SAMSUNG 2443BWT Black 24" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height/Pivot Adjustments - Retail
Out Of Stock $379.99
ETA: 10/30/2009 9:34:04 AM


Logitech 920-000914 Black Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard - Retail
In Stock $79.99 -$20.00 Instant $59.99

Logitech Performance Black Tilt Wheel USB 2.4 GHz Wireless Laser Mouse MX - Retail
In Stock $99.99

Harmon Kardon HK395 Dynamic 3-piece (2.1) System with Subwoofer/Satellites
Reuse Existing $0.00

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Pre-Order/Backorder $149.99 -$10.00 Instant $139.99
ETA: Release Date:10/22/2009
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Upgrade - Retail
Out Of Stock $199.99
ETA: 10/30/2009 9:34:04 AM


Microsoft Office Small Business 2007 Upgrade - Retail
Reuse Existing Microsoft Office Small Business 2003 -or- Purchased Microsoft Office Small Business 2007 later
Microsoft Office Small Business 2007 Upgrade - Retail
In Stock $239.99


Subtotal: (Case + Internals + OS) = $1,260.89
Subtotal: (Software + Externals) = $159.98
Subtotal: (Monitor + MS Small Business 2007 + Shipping + Mail-in Rebates) = Not Included
TOTAL: = $1,420.87

Thanks to all in advance... Comments Please!
September 25, 2009 9:15:58 PM

I think you'd might benefit more from a workstation grade graphics card, unless you like to play games on occasion. I'll see what I can dig up in a little bit.

For hard drive, I think you'd be better off with a Samsung F3, or Seagate 7200.12. The Caviar Black is a bit dated as of now, until they get an engineering refresh, their 3x 250GB platter design isn't as good as a 2x500GB design that Samsung and Seagate have.

Related resources
September 25, 2009 9:53:25 PM

Wathman

Thanks for the recommendation

Here is a link to Video Card recommendations for Revit 2010 which is the program I use most. i notes that Revit developers have implemented DirectX video acceleration which means that purchasing a more expensive CAD card is no longer necessary...

That is the reasoning behind my 4870 based selection. I still think I can Save some money on with a little more shopping/research

studioCJF

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September 25, 2009 10:33:16 PM
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Well....the main difference between the gaming cards and the workstation graphics cards from nVidia and ATI , (at least as was explained to me by our vendor), is that the former is optimized to display already rendered images and the latter is optimized to render the images in real time. I'd suggest a conversation with or viist to your local Autodesk vendor's shop and "seeing for yaself".

If color accuracy is going to be important to you, then I'd recommend against getting a TN panel for your monitor. In my office we use a lot of hi end laptops as my guys spend lot of their time in the field so we are stuck dealing with TN's on those. But whenever we are going to print images or photo realistic stuff, it always gets fine tuned on our old Nanao 22" CRT which we have kept around for this purpose. I had planned to get a new S-PVA panel just haven't been able to choose one I like yet. The Lenovo L220x was a favorite but began to have quality consistency issues at the end of it's run. The dell 2408 WFP / 3048 WFP are the leading contenders at the moment but I'm still not quite satisfied.

Since you are dealing with large files, I'd recommend the Seagate 7200.12's over the WD Blacks as the later excels primarily in small files access and runs kinda hot.

See:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/271022-31-trepanation...
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...

September 25, 2009 10:33:50 PM

yeah, that makes sense then. All the CAD work I've done in the past was with Solidworks 2005 so my experience building complex models was way better on the high end workstations rather than on my desktop. Obviously things have changed since then. If you're willing to wait a month, the 5850 should give you even better performance and more features. It will cost about $279, so past your budget, but not astronomically high like those workstation cards.

Another place to squeeze more performance out of a system without going overboard on CPU or GPU is to consider an SSD for your OS and main apps, and then keep data on a regular hard drive. the Intel G2 is the best available that isn't over $400. OCZ Vertex is a good second choice with a better price point, and the Patriot Torqx has also performed well on recent benchmarks.
September 25, 2009 11:27:43 PM

JackNaylorPE

Thanks for pointing out the TN panel on the Samsung somehow this got past me

I agree with you about the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP... not that I dislike their products but I was trying to wash my hands of Dell products for this build... I also read that many manufacturers are no longer publishing the panel type in the specs as a way to allow themselves the ability to substitute panel types during production when panel stock runs low. I don't know if this is true but I have noticed that determining panel type has gotten more difficult when comparing monitors lately. In a quick comparision between the Dell UltraSharp 2408 and their newer UltraSharp U2410 the panel type is not listed for the later...

Thanks to you and wathman for the HDD comments I will have to research this
September 25, 2009 11:43:55 PM

As for monitors, I also tried to avoid Dell monitors, but ended up just going with them since it's hard to beat the quality at their prices. Sure I could spend twice as much on a high-end NEC, but I'd rather have 2 monitors instead of one. At work they gave me a 2408WFP which looks great, though kind of odd as I mostly work with databases and monitors capable of rich colors don't help AIX prompts look any better.

For home I went with 2 Dell 24" TN monitors, obviously not as nice as the 2408WFP, but they are very low power, and the pair of them draws less than my setup at work.
September 27, 2009 11:35:27 PM

Quote:
I don't know if this is true but I have noticed that determining panel type has gotten more difficult when comparing monitors lately. In a quick comparison between the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP and their newer UltraSharp U2410 the panel type is not listed for the later...


I must correct my misconception here... I just looked deeper into the specs of the Dell UltraSharp U2410 and found that it has an IPS panels not sure if it an "S" or "H" panel but that explains the $130 add in price

Configuration update:
Changed memory sticks from Muskins to these
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8 G - Retail
Save $30.00 in Combo Deal with Core i7-920 processor

Still researching HDDs but leaning towards Seagate 7200.12 over the Samsung F3 after reading JackNaylorPE posted links

Still very conflicted between choosing between a gaming or workstation graphics card... I plan on posting the Revit Forums and Revit/Autodesk resellers

Current thought on Monitor selection.... wathman's "it's hard to beat the quality at their prices" says it all at this point. I will probably go with the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP
September 29, 2009 2:10:48 AM

studioCJF said:
I agree with you about the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP... not that I dislike their products but I was trying to wash my hands of Dell products for this build... I also read that many manufacturers are no longer publishing the panel type in the specs as a way to allow themselves the ability to substitute panel types during production when panel stock runs low.


Yes that happens quite often. Vendors use an IPS pr S-PVA panel to send out to reviewers and then switch.

there are various sites which list panel types for each model.

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/panels.php

And yes the very idea of sending Dell money for anything is a bit nauseating but when ya don't have any real alternatives, gotta suck it up.


September 30, 2009 5:46:52 PM

JackNaylorPE

Thanks for the links those will come in very handy

Yesterday I was browsing the AUGI Revit forum where I was reading about dual monitor setups... A few people post photos of their setup so it got me thinking about 2 monitors

There was a couple of post that showed a 30" main monitor with either a 20" or 22" monitor in portrait mode to the right of the main which of course was in widescreen/landscape. There was also one that had a 20" in portrait on either side of the 30" main that looked sweet but 2 monitors is probably the max I will ever need. what was nice in one of the setups was that when the 20" was rotated 90deg the top an bottom of the screens aligned which made for a very clean setup. Of course the 2 monitors were from the same manufacturer... hazard a guess??? you got it... Dell!

Bad news is that dell no longer has a 20" model with IPS or S-PVA panel. They still have an UltraSharp model but it uses a TN panel according to your links and Dells website. Also, it is almost, if not, impossible to find matching stands as Dell seems to have 3-4 different stands that they use on different models/sizes... some have a universal VESA mount so it may be possible to change to matching stands or some other mount... this is important in my office because the back of the monitor faces the main view

I have decide to roll the dice using a non-workstation graphics card I just don't know which one yet but it will ATI Radeon 4870 based in the $125-$180 range and I am still leaning toward 1 or 2 Seagate 7200.12 HDDs
October 2, 2009 12:05:22 AM

JackNaylorPE & Wathman

Since both of you suggested alternative HDD and are the only ones commenting on my system I will address this to both of you...

After some research I see the advantages of the Seagate 7200.12 and/or Samsung F3 over the WD Caviar Black, but I am a little concerned about the attrition rate of the 7200.12 and F3 drives. I've read a lot of review comments regarding longevity on several on line retailer sites that post customer reviews and have found an alarming number of people claiming there drives have failed within the first 3-6 months. Do either of you have any experience or thoughts about this?

I understand that both use the newer platter design but I was also thinking about downsizing to a 500GB drive as I currently use only about 35% of the 280GB (80GB+200GB) capacity of my current system. I will be creating 3 partitions (OS/Programs)+(Personal Storage)+(Business Storage) so that I can keep my Architectural/Client/Project related files separate from my Personal Files. I choose a Motherboard that has 1 x ATA133 IDE connector so I will probably connect my old drives internally for backups. Unfortunately SSD drives are out of my price range now but in the future i could add one for my OS/Programs to capture that back as storage on the new 500GB drive

Thoughts please! I'm starting to go crazy with all these decisions... Thanks
October 2, 2009 3:14:26 AM

I know Samsung has had issues in the past when they first entered the hard drive market, but they have been pretty reliable overall for the last 4 years or so. As for Seagate, there was a time when WD had the reputation of unreliable drives, and Seagate was the only brand I bought. I think when WD acquired IBM's hard drive business, their quality really started to turn around. Also, if you are that concerned with drive integrity, start looking into the enterprise and RAID class drives. Seagate, Samsung, even WD have drives that cost 1.5x their mainstream counterparts, but are built more sturdy and to tighter quality control standards. If you do downgrade your drive size, the higher quality drives should be in your price range.
October 3, 2009 4:17:08 PM

studioCJF said:
After some research I see the advantages of the Seagate 7200.12 and/or Samsung F3 over the WD Caviar Black, but I am a little concerned about the attrition rate of the 7200.12 and F3 drives. I've read a lot of review comments regarding longevity on several on line retailer sites that post customer reviews and have found an alarming number of people claiming there drives have failed within the first 3-6 months. Do either of you have any experience or thoughts about this?


Any of these substantiated by numbers ? A person who survices a plane trip on his / her first flight can say "The plane crashed every time." :) 

Visit www.storagereview.com ? Looking at the Raptor for example, it has a 25% failure rate. I have had about 90-100 drives in the past 16 or so years. That number is too small to make a statistical comparison but WD has been, by a significant margin, the vendor which I have experienced the most failures. In the office, I have been on Seagate alone since about 2001 when I started buying NAS's and the NAS vendors shipped Seagate drives in them. As a result I keep a spare on site..... home I went for the best bang for the buck at the time of purchase but WD refused to cross ship a warranty replacement and that was my last purchase from them back around 2006.

Among THG readers, Seagate tops the list by a small margin:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-203178_32_50.htm...

But the statistical difference between them and WD is statistically irrelevant.

BTW, I maintain a home office and use an NAS fir data storage which is an option you might want to consider.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Add any drives ya want. I use ours with different volumes accessible by people in the home office versus people in the home.
October 3, 2009 11:18:31 PM

Jack

No statistical proof just a cursory observation... BTW you have all the best links...

After my last post I had pretty much decided to go with the
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
or the
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
and after reading your links it will definitely be a Seagate 7200.12 (size TBD). The 500GB is a great deal at $54 but has a 16MB cache -vs- the 750GB or 1TB drives that have a 32MB cache. Stupid question but is the cache size related to the number of platters (IE: I believe the 500GB drive is 1 platter and the 750GB-1TB drives are 2 platter)

The NAS is a good idea for the future when I upgrade my network... as it stands now I have 2 computers (1 desktop 1 laptop), a D-Link 4500 Xtreme-N Router and a Siemens SpeedStream DSL modem. The desktop is wired (LAN) to the router and the laptop is wireless (802.11g) there is also an HP OfficeJet printer attached to desktop. All drives/partitions and printer are shared. As I noted before I am only using about 100MB out of 280MB capacity (not including laptop) so I think 500-750GB is plenty for now. I also have an older Iomega (USB 2.0) 80GB external drive but that is very slow and needs to be reformatted I will probably just keep old projects and/or photos on that for archiving

I will be making the purchase next week or after Win7 is released
October 4, 2009 12:28:25 AM

Cache size is a tricky subject since in the past it was difficult to see the gains from larger amounts of it in hard drives. Years ago, it was arguable that anything over 8 MB of cache was a waste since the rate the drives could read data off the platters wasn't good enough to make much of a difference with the cache size. Improvements in technology and advancements in interfaces to the current SATA II standard seems to suggest that somewhere between 16 and 32 MB is the optimal amount of cache for current drives. If you go under the Charts section in Tom's hardware, you'll see that the current winner of most benchmarks is the Samsung F3, yet it only has a 16MB cache for the 500 MB version. As for your observation for amount of cache and number of platters: yes there's a correlation, but you'd probably have to talk to a HDD designer to get the details on why 32MB is optimal per 500 MB storage. If you look at the new 2TB Caviar Black drive, it has a 64MB cache.
October 4, 2009 5:28:15 PM

Wathman

Thanks for confirming my assumptions it seems logical to me. As I said above I will be getting a Seagate 7200.12 size will probably be determined by price/value given a 500GB minimum
October 4, 2009 7:24:38 PM

There's a $10 discount w/ coupon code on the 7200.12's (1 TB) if you subscribe to the newegg newsletter alerts ... may not still be in effect by time you sign up.
October 4, 2009 9:09:14 PM

Jack

I did sign-up for the newsletter and rember getting one the other day but can't seem to find it in my e-mail folders and can't find it listed on newegg's site. Can you forward the newsletter to me? That would make the price $79.99 and by far the best buy

Thanks...
October 6, 2009 6:07:30 AM

Update:

I was just about to purchase my system at newegg... I confirmed everything was in stock selected everything... placed in the cart... cart came up with ASRock X58 Extreme and Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound "Out Of Stock"

To slow on the trigger i guess... now I have to wait :( 
October 6, 2009 1:08:31 PM

The ASRock X58 board being out of stock is unfortunate, but it should come back soon. As for thermal paste, there are plenty of other alternatives that are also very good. Noctua's paste is also highly regarded.
October 6, 2009 2:31:24 PM

Check out this case, it is designed to be very quiet, and has the clean sleek look of the LIAN LI cases. Definitely a good option for a work environment where noise could be an issue.

Antec P183 Black Aluminum / Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($134.99)

That PSU you selected is overkill for this system, you could drop down to the Corsair 650TX, or even go with the Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU.

October 6, 2009 5:34:57 PM

Transmaniaco

Thanks for the comments... that case was on the top of my list until I found the Tuniq for less than half the price and decent reviews so I decided to try it. I will probably end up not using the 3D fan rail feature as most reviewers found that with a tall CPU cooler and a large graphics card (I have both) the fan rail becomes unusable. However the case comes with 3 reasonably quiet fans that can be located elsewhere in the case... So I'll give it a shot at 60 bucks

I was thinking the 750TX was too much as well but current newegg deal has the 750TX the same price as the 650TX... So the 750XL runs lean/cool/quiet and gives me some furture-proof to go SLI/Crossfire later :D 
October 6, 2009 5:44:49 PM

Wathman

I certainly hope the ASRock X58 is back in stock soon... I may have to purchase everything else today so that I don't miss out on some good deals that are expiring soon. I will take a look at the Noctua paste

Thanks
October 10, 2009 3:33:52 AM

I ended going with Gelid extreme thermal paste it has been getting great reviews and beats MX-2 and other favorites. A little more expensive than others but not outragous.

So I have purchased everything for my 1st build :)  I will update the final build list and update again again after everything arrives
October 10, 2009 3:37:27 AM

studioCJF said:
I ended going with Gelid extreme thermal paste it has been getting great reviews and beats MX-2 and other favorites. A little more expensive than others but not outragous.

So I have purchased everything for my 1st build :)  I will update the final build list and update again again after everything arrives


Link me to the reviews that it beats mx-2 and others.
October 11, 2009 11:18:42 PM

UPDATE: 10.11.2009

I have updated my final build list (see OP listed on 1st page) everything has been purchased and has shipped :bounce: 
Keeping my fingers crossed that I don't get ant DOAs...

Thanks to all who helped... Cheers [:studiocjf]
October 19, 2009 3:28:05 PM


STUDIOCJK - We need an update! How is the PC running? Did you try any heavy duty 3D apps yet? I'm looking to build a workstation as well and would greatly appreciate any updates/tips you can offer since the build . .
October 20, 2009 2:43:23 AM

As for ya holdout ..... The monitor is $110 cheaper at PCnation.com
October 20, 2009 5:06:33 PM

khasenzahl said:
STUDIOCJK - We need an update! How is the PC running? Did you try any heavy duty 3D apps yet? I'm looking to build a workstation as well and would greatly appreciate any updates/tips you can offer since the build . .


I just got back from a short vacation and had to have UPS hold my last Newegg delivery until today... should be here soon and the build will begin. I pre-ordered Win7 OS... so I may wait until I get that so that i don't have to search for a copy of the RC since I missed out on the MS sponsored downloads. does any one know if i have to wait for Newegg to send me the disks or is there a way to download it from them or MS?
October 20, 2009 5:11:15 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
As for ya holdout ..... The monitor is $110 cheaper at PCnation.com


Jack

Thanks for the PCnation advice... I may get the newer version UltraSharp U2410 with the IPS panel. Dell had it on special last week for $549.00 ($50 off regular price) but as of today it is back up to $599.00... Missed again :fou:  but I will shop for best price
October 20, 2009 5:33:21 PM

When looking at Dell monitors, also keep in mind that they run different prices and coupons on their Dell small business site. A good site that keeps track of current Dell deals is here: http://www.techbargains.com/dellcoupons.cfm

I found a deal that saved me about $160 on my low power TN panel monitors with a coupon I found on that website at the time. Another perk of going with Dell small business is their customer support is way better than their Dell for Home portal.
October 20, 2009 5:49:14 PM

wathman

Thanks for the link i will check it out... BTW I typically use Dell's small business site for the very reasons you mentioned but that $50 off sale price was only listed on the consumer site but from my experience they will match the price for you if that is the case

October 24, 2009 3:01:31 PM

studioCJF said:
Jack

Thanks for the PCnation advice... I may get the newer version UltraSharp U2410 with the IPS panel. Dell had it on special last week for $549.00 ($50 off regular price) but as of today it is back up to $599.00... Missed again :fou:  but I will shop for best price


Fatwallet and some other site whose name I can't remember list special deals that have had the U2410 down as low as $449. My son has subscribed to the Dell U2410 lists ...... memory returning ..... techbargains.com is the other site.
October 24, 2009 7:47:26 PM

Jack

Thanks for the fatwallet tip... wathman posted the techbargains.com site in a previous post... I have signed up for the techbargains e-mail alerts will have to do the same at fatwallet.com. Anything less than $549.00 and I'm done... Under $500.00 BONUS!

BTW: completed the build yesterday with successful POST on 1st try :bounce: 
I have only been to the BIOS screens as I'm waiting for my Win7 disk to arrive from Newegg... UPS Tracking says Mon 10.26.09... Got to get that monitor soon can't stand looking at a 19" Dell CRT anymore :heink: 
!