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September 26, 2009 5:59:47 PM

Well, I got a computer that is 100000000000000000000000 years old, It's eMachine 3220 with Intel celeron 2.8GHZ (now 3.0) and without graphic card, only onboard graphics.
So, here's list of parts I would want to get. All parts come from www.Aria.co.uk

Radeon 5850;
Phemon X4;
6GB DDR3 and
1TB of HDD.

My budget is £500 to £600.

Here's my suggestions :) 

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz, [AM3, Retail] £147.14 inc. VAT

1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache £52.38 inc. VAT

G.SKILL DDR3 1333 PC10666 4GB (2GB x 2) £64.34 inc. VAT (I found 6GB of memory cost too much so I chose 4GB ones).

Asus M4A785TD-V EVO, AMD 785G Chipset, DDR3, AM3, ATX £73.68 inc. VAT

OCZ 500W StealthXstream Power Supply PSU £45.94 inc. VAT

Arianet 1001 Black Gaming Case, 3 Temp LCD Displays (No PSU) £38.33 inc. VAT

TOTAL: 421.82
PLUS I preordered W7 and is not included in my budget rig prices.

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September 26, 2009 6:28:00 PM

With HD 5850, It is £20 over limit, I might still able to accept it but if you can find any parts that is cheaper and more reliable than mine, thats very good.
September 26, 2009 6:39:22 PM

DX11 isnt going to provide very much of an advantage for several months atleast, you are best off with an i5 build and a DX10 GPU that is appropriate for your monitor resolution. An i5 build will raise the price a little but will perform better
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Proc...
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/...
and some better ram
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3/D...

With the i5 you wont have a significant CPU bottleneck and you will be able to just drop a DX11 GPU in when they come down in price and more are available.
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September 26, 2009 6:57:15 PM

With core i5, I won't be able to upgrade to six core but with AMD I can. And AMD's in trouble with CPU market, I need to buy a CPU from their to help them.
September 27, 2009 12:16:40 AM

core i7 ownage said:
With core i5, I won't be able to upgrade to six core but with AMD I can. And AMD's in trouble with CPU market, I need to buy a CPU from their to help them.


If your buying a inferior product in order to help the company than I suggest you need to really give building a new PC some serious thought. If you do go with the superior i5 I don't think AMD is going to go out of business. But I for one am not going to post an inferior build on here just because the OP is worried about a certain company's share holders.
September 27, 2009 12:20:07 AM

Why_Me said:
If your buying a inferior product in order to help the company than I suggest you need to really give building a new PC some serious thought. If you do go with the superior i5 I don't think AMD is going to go out of business. But I for one am not going to post an inferior build on here just because the OP is worried about a certain company's share holders.



+1 i don't think that anyone in the world thinks as him,if i was working in AMD i would get intel's cpu now in secret unless i get AMD's for free :D  :D 
September 27, 2009 2:49:38 AM

Some points and my recommend:
1) 6GB is overkill for most. You need to have a program with specific needs to see the difference. you won't notice in Windows multitasking above 4GB. No game will benefit from this much RAM.

2) It will take a while for games to take FULL use of a good quad-core CPU. I wouldn't worry about a CPU upgrade path. Nor do you truly know if we'll see 6-core support on the 1156. I think we'll see it. Don't forget also that Larrabee is coming and in two years you may be able to drop in a Larrabee card into your second PCIe x8/x16 slot that can act as a CPU or GPU.

3) AMD just doens't have a single CPU that I'd build a high-end gaming system around. You are supporting them by getting the HD5850.

4) The HD5850 idles at 27W and has 85% the performance of the HD5870. You may see "better" values but compare the 27W of this card to the HD4870's 90W and the future-proofing and it's a pretty awesome card. It may not have PhysX support but it really sells me on the other points.

5) If your 1TB HD is your main hard drive then I suggest you get the WD Black version which is faster than the Green version.

6) I would lean towards a slightly more PSU in case you wish to add another card. Quality has a lot to do with it too. I'd spend some time reading. Investigate fan noise too.

7) I'd wait for NVidia to release their cards. If NVidia can get close to the same idle power and similar performance I'll likely go with them. I like ATI, but here's an example where innovation isn't always the best.

8) About ATI cards. I own an HD3870. I like it and bought it because of the lower idle power but now I wish I'd gotten the 8800GT instead. I'm paying careful attention now to the new cards. ATI added tesselation. Great, except it wasn't used. They got innovative there but where's physics support? NVidia currently has PhysX. ATI (and NVidia) have also kept enticing about capabilities their cards don't deliver on. How do you use an HD3870 to transcode video? You can't. So I'm probably going to hedge my bets on NVidia that is doing a better job of dealing with the game manufacturers to optimize things. I've got an AMD CPU too but I'm switching to Intel (i7-860 likely). Still, if NVidia's new card doesn't come close to that 27W I'll probably stick with ATI.

Here's my recommendation (no specific brands):

Motherboard: LGA1156
CPU: Intel i5-750
Graphics: HD5850 1GB (see above)
Memory: 4GB DDR3 (1333MHz or 1600MHz. do some reading on Memory)
PSU: 650W (higher for expansion.)
HDD: WD 1TB Black

Other:
- DVD Burner (SATA, firmware no more than 1 year old, read reviews.)
- gaming mouse such as a Logitech MX-518
- quality audio chip or a good card like the Auzentech X-Fi Forte
- speakers: 2.0 M-Audio AV30 or AV40. For 2.1 Logitech Z-2300 (I have the AV40, got on sale for $130. Maybe that's too expensive but they probably will last DECADES. Nice bass for 2.0; a subwoofer's bass would be too annoying for the floor below)
- cooling: heatsink and 120mm fan for CPU. Another 120mm case fan.

Other points:
1) get eSATA on the motherboard
2) the 1156 uses the CPU's new PCIe controller. It supports PCIe 2.0 up to 1x16 or 2x8. The 1366 supports 2x16. The 1366 system costs slightly more and uses more power. Note that they tested to see if having Crossfire of HD5870 (2xHD5870) would be bandwidth limited. The answer is NO.
3) Don't get a lower performing CPU and then overclock it. I think overclocking is okay, but:

a) For roughly the same money, get a better Intel CPU.
b) Overclocking only produces a benefit in games if it can't keep up with the GPU. You can test this by using the Task Manager to see if your CPU's hitting 100%. If it's not then overclocking's a waste of heat/noise. I'd be surprised to see much of an overclocking need when pairing a single HD5850 with an i5-750.

c) I can't stress how nice it is to design a system around noise.

NOISE recommendations:
1) CPU heatsink and 120mm fan (about $35-$50). Motherboard controls the fan.
2) 1 or 2 120mm case fans (very low noise, run at constant speed)
3) PSU with fan-control and good design.
4) PSU should have both an EXTERNAL intake and exhaust (except in some designs with the PSU at the bottom of the case. Heat rises. Intaking hot case air isn't great for the PSU and it will simply drive the fan speed up so it's also a bad noise design.)
5) Graphics card with rear exhaust (pretty common now)
6) Graphics card with CUSTOM, lower noise (and external exhaust). Sapphire is going to release a Vapor-X version of the HD5870 (and likely HD5850).
7) A second drive like the WD 1TB Green for low noise. I have one in the case and a second one with a Thermaltake BlacX (via eSATA). I used to turn off the BlacX but it shuts itself down nicely anyway (being SATA connected).
8) POWER OPTIONS. Vista and Windows 7 are generally optimized but go through them anyway.
September 27, 2009 8:08:25 AM

photonboy said:
Some points and my recommend:
1) 6GB is overkill for most. You need to have a program with specific needs to see the difference. you won't notice in Windows multitasking above 4GB. No game will benefit from this much RAM.

2) It will take a while for games to take FULL use of a good quad-core CPU. I wouldn't worry about a CPU upgrade path. Nor do you truly know if we'll see 6-core support on the 1156. I think we'll see it. Don't forget also that Larrabee is coming and in two years you may be able to drop in a Larrabee card into your second PCIe x8/x16 slot that can act as a CPU or GPU.

3) AMD just doens't have a single CPU that I'd build a high-end gaming system around. You are supporting them by getting the HD5850.

4) The HD5850 idles at 27W and has 85% the performance of the HD5870. You may see "better" values but compare the 27W of this card to the HD4870's 90W and the future-proofing and it's a pretty awesome card. It may not have PhysX support but it really sells me on the other points.

5) If your 1TB HD is your main hard drive then I suggest you get the WD Black version which is faster than the Green version.

6) I would lean towards a slightly more PSU in case you wish to add another card. Quality has a lot to do with it too. I'd spend some time reading. Investigate fan noise too.

7) I'd wait for NVidia to release their cards. If NVidia can get close to the same idle power and similar performance I'll likely go with them. I like ATI, but here's an example where innovation isn't always the best.

8) About ATI cards. I own an HD3870. I like it and bought it because of the lower idle power but now I wish I'd gotten the 8800GT instead. I'm paying careful attention now to the new cards. ATI added tesselation. Great, except it wasn't used. They got innovative there but where's physics support? NVidia currently has PhysX. ATI (and NVidia) have also kept enticing about capabilities their cards don't deliver on. How do you use an HD3870 to transcode video? You can't. So I'm probably going to hedge my bets on NVidia that is doing a better job of dealing with the game manufacturers to optimize things. I've got an AMD CPU too but I'm switching to Intel (i7-860 likely). Still, if NVidia's new card doesn't come close to that 27W I'll probably stick with ATI.

Here's my recommendation (no specific brands):

Motherboard: LGA1156
CPU: Intel i5-750
Graphics: HD5850 1GB (see above)
Memory: 4GB DDR3 (1333MHz or 1600MHz. do some reading on Memory)
PSU: 650W (higher for expansion.)
HDD: WD 1TB Black

Other:
- DVD Burner (SATA, firmware no more than 1 year old, read reviews.)
- gaming mouse such as a Logitech MX-518
- quality audio chip or a good card like the Auzentech X-Fi Forte
- speakers: 2.0 M-Audio AV30 or AV40. For 2.1 Logitech Z-2300 (I have the AV40, got on sale for $130. Maybe that's too expensive but they probably will last DECADES. Nice bass for 2.0; a subwoofer's bass would be too annoying for the floor below)
- cooling: heatsink and 120mm fan for CPU. Another 120mm case fan.

Other points:
1) get eSATA on the motherboard
2) the 1156 uses the CPU's new PCIe controller. It supports PCIe 2.0 up to 1x16 or 2x8. The 1366 supports 2x16. The 1366 system costs slightly more and uses more power. Note that they tested to see if having Crossfire of HD5870 (2xHD5870) would be bandwidth limited. The answer is NO.
3) Don't get a lower performing CPU and then overclock it. I think overclocking is okay, but:

a) For roughly the same money, get a better Intel CPU.
b) Overclocking only produces a benefit in games if it can't keep up with the GPU. You can test this by using the Task Manager to see if your CPU's hitting 100%. If it's not then overclocking's a waste of heat/noise. I'd be surprised to see much of an overclocking need when pairing a single HD5850 with an i5-750.

c) I can't stress how nice it is to design a system around noise.

NOISE recommendations:
1) CPU heatsink and 120mm fan (about $35-$50). Motherboard controls the fan.
2) 1 or 2 120mm case fans (very low noise, run at constant speed)
3) PSU with fan-control and good design.
4) PSU should have both an EXTERNAL intake and exhaust (except in some designs with the PSU at the bottom of the case. Heat rises. Intaking hot case air isn't great for the PSU and it will simply drive the fan speed up so it's also a bad noise design.)
5) Graphics card with rear exhaust (pretty common now)
6) Graphics card with CUSTOM, lower noise (and external exhaust). Sapphire is going to release a Vapor-X version of the HD5870 (and likely HD5850).
7) A second drive like the WD 1TB Green for low noise. I have one in the case and a second one with a Thermaltake BlacX (via eSATA). I used to turn off the BlacX but it shuts itself down nicely anyway (being SATA connected).
8) POWER OPTIONS. Vista and Windows 7 are generally optimized but go through them anyway.

I think I won't be able to get to budget limit price with these parts in my rig...
Btw, I will go with Intel, I won't crossfire or Sli, I will buy another new single GPU.
September 27, 2009 8:19:43 AM

As for PSU recommendation, as if you want this computer to last I'd imagine you would take advantage of Crossfire later on so 500w would not do.

I would recommend 650w like he said above, preferably Corsair.

If you don't Crossfire 5800 series and your just going to buy like a 6800 series or something when it comes out.. that is just a waste honestly.

September 27, 2009 8:21:55 AM

Ok, there's my UPDATED rig:

Well, I got a computer that is 100000000000000000000000 years old, It's eMachine 3220 with Intel celeron 2.8GHZ (now 3.0) and without graphic card, only onboard graphics.
So, here's list of parts I would want to get. All parts come from www.Aria.co.uk

Radeon 5850;
Phemon X4;
6GB DDR3 and
1TB of HDD.

My budget is £500 to £600.

Here's my suggestions :) 

Intel i5 750 CPU [2.66GHz, Retail, Socket 1156] £146.87 inc. VAT

1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache £52.38 inc. VAT

G.SKILL DDR3 1333 PC10666 4GB (2GB x 2) £66.64 inc. VAT

ASUS P7P55D MOTHERBOARD P55 1156 £126.44 inc. VAT

OCZ 500W StealthXstream Power Supply PSU £45.94 inc. VAT

Arianet 1001 Black Gaming Case, 3 Temp LCD Displays (No PSU) £38.33 inc. VAT

TOTAL: £421.82 (AMD RIG) £476.60 (Intel RIG).
PLUS I preordered W7 and is not included in my budget rig prices.

Btw, it's little more expensive, If HD 5850's prices comes down, I will accept it but it doesn't I will just go with AMD rig or cheaper Intel rig.
September 27, 2009 8:24:49 AM

And why is it waste of money, I can bear medium quality in games in few years later as I got to used low quality in some games and extreme tweaking super ultra low quality, all this because of my onboard GPU, Intel 82865G.
September 27, 2009 8:31:18 AM

core i7 ownage said:
And why is it waste of money, I can bear medium quality in games in few years later as I got to used low quality in some games and extreme tweaking super ultra low quality, all this because of my onboard GPU, Intel 82865G.


I posted this build down below about an hour ago on your other thread you have on here. Now you tell me what build is going to get you more fps and what build allows you to size up on a better vid card later on. That 500w psu you have isn't going to cut it if you ever decide to get a better vid card. Btw notice how this build down below includes a 4870 1gig. Most of the Brits I come across on here get it the first time. Your the exception.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854 £43.99 inc vat
Antec 300 Three Hundred Black Case - No PSU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132563 £67.92 inc vat inc Free Delivery
Corsair 550W VX Series PSU - 120mm Fan, 5 Year Warranty

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173542 £86.45 inc vat Free Delivery
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 iP55 Socket 1156 8 channel audio mATX Motherboard

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172755 £146.97 inc vat Free Delivery
Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY... £66.99 inc VAT
G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL)

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804 £54.99 inc vat Free Delivery
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169029 £126.36 inc vat Free Delivery
Sapphire HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card

Total: £593.67 inc VAT
September 27, 2009 8:44:51 AM

Hers a rig I just made up for ya should work great =)

CPU:Intel i5 750
Motherboard: MSI GD65 P55
Hard Drive: WD Black 1TB
PSU: Corsair 650w
RAM: G.SKILL 1333mhz 8gb (4x2Gb)
Case: Coolermaster Mystique

I would have also pinned on a CPU heatsink but unforuntely not all boards have 1366 or 775 slots, but you can get one of the coolermaster coolers and then get the 1156 bracket from their netherland shop which costs 3.50 euros... only place you get it online x.x.... costing me 15$CND to get it over here.

Now that totals to $754 or €514. Thats without taxes or Shipping and through newegg.com.. so bit might be different.
September 27, 2009 8:49:31 AM

Evockzi said:
Hers a rig I just made up for ya should work great =)

CPU:Intel i5 750
Motherboard: MSI GD65 P55
Hard Drive: WD Black 1TB
PSU: Corsair 650w
RAM: G.SKILL 1333mhz 8gb (4x2Gb)
Case: Coolermaster Mystique

I would have also pinned on a CPU heatsink but unforuntely not all boards have 1366 or 775 slots, but you can get one of the coolermaster coolers and then get the 1156 bracket from their netherland shop which costs 3.50 euros... only place you get it online x.x.... costing me 15$CND to get it over here.

Now that totals to $754 or €514. Thats without taxes or Shipping and through newegg.com.. so bit might be different.


Not bad, but a vid card always helps eh.
September 27, 2009 8:53:02 AM

Why_Me said:
I posted this build down below about an hour ago on your other thread you have on here. Now you tell me what build is going to get you more fps and what build allows you to size up on a better vid card later on. That 500w psu you have isn't going to cut it if you ever decide to get a better vid card. Btw notice how this build down below includes a 4870 1gig. Most of the Brits I come across on here get it the first time. Your the exception.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854 £43.99 inc vat
Antec 300 Three Hundred Black Case - No PSU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132563 £67.92 inc vat inc Free Delivery
Corsair 550W VX Series PSU - 120mm Fan, 5 Year Warranty

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173542 £86.45 inc vat Free Delivery
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 iP55 Socket 1156 8 channel audio mATX Motherboard

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172755 £146.97 inc vat Free Delivery
Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY... £66.99 inc VAT
G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL)

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804 £54.99 inc vat Free Delivery
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169029 £126.36 inc vat Free Delivery
Sapphire HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card

Total: £593.67 inc VAT


That's a nice rig, but I really want HD 5850 and start getting used to Highest quality. So, we will have to wait till christmas and see if HD 5800 series's price drops. And i expect ATI/AMD to release HD 6800 series with lower power requirement, if it doesn't, I will buy another PSU.
September 27, 2009 8:54:33 AM

Evockzi said:
Hers a rig I just made up for ya should work great =)

CPU:Intel i5 750
Motherboard: MSI GD65 P55
Hard Drive: WD Black 1TB
PSU: Corsair 650w
RAM: G.SKILL 1333mhz 8gb (4x2Gb)
Case: Coolermaster Mystique

I would have also pinned on a CPU heatsink but unforuntely not all boards have 1366 or 775 slots, but you can get one of the coolermaster coolers and then get the 1156 bracket from their netherland shop which costs 3.50 euros... only place you get it online x.x.... costing me 15$CND to get it over here.

Now that totals to $754 or €514. Thats without taxes or Shipping and through newegg.com.. so bit might be different.


Not bad, but I think you made a mistake, Newegg doesn't ship to UK and $ and euros is NOT same as £, it is more stronger than dollar and euros.
September 27, 2009 8:55:29 AM

core i7 ownage said:
That's a nice rig, but I really want HD 5850 and start getting used to Highest quality. So, we will have to wait till christmas and see if HD 5800 series's price drops. And i expect ATI/AMD to release HD 6800 series with lower power requirement, if it doesn't, I will buy another PSU.


So let me see if I have this this correct. Your slagging off a 550w psu for a 500w psu in the hopes ATI comes out with a low power consumption card in the next year?
September 27, 2009 9:16:57 AM

Yeah. And Core i5 with HD 5850 doesn't need over 500W PSU.
September 27, 2009 3:24:20 PM

Oh its 500-600 Pounds? Ya I know thats alot more then x.x sorry guess I didn't see the symbol correctly.

Its not worth bottle necking your PSU to hold back on another video card, when the 5850 begins to outdate you can add another one for really cheap and it will beable to keep up still its worth it.
September 27, 2009 5:56:38 PM

Ever shopped from aria before? ive never heard of them, and i dont trust websites that dont include VAT in the price :p  And i wouldnt slack on the PSU. Mobos and PSUs are like toilet paper and baked beans, you dont want to skimp on them or you'll regret it.
September 27, 2009 6:28:14 PM

I have shopped from Aria, It DOES include VAT prices but it automatically exclude VAT prices. It only includes when you want them to do or you put it in checkout.
September 27, 2009 6:29:44 PM

PSU, far as I know, is made from good company. (RAM). But if you say that's bad PSU, I can exclude them and put ones you recommand.
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