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Intel e7500 or amd phenom II 550 BE

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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 8:10:31 AM

ive got a really hard choice 2 make and i would like 2 hear a few other opinions. i have always been an intel guy its not that i have something against amd i just never really got around 2 trying out their cpu's. being that the playing field between intel and amd is rapidly changing it seems 2 me that you can get a better processor for less with amd these are the 2 builds i am considering tell me if you see any flaws or if you have any recomendations

what would you pick?
Intel core 2 duo e7500 wolfdale 2.93 GHz $120
ASUS P5N-D $120
nzxt tempest mid tower case $100
mushkin 1gb X 4 ddr2 800 $70
2 320gb wd hardrives $100
windows vista home premium 64 bit $90
arctic cooling freezer 7 pro $30

TOTAL $630

or

amd phenom II X 2 550 Black Edition 3.1 GHz $100
asus m4a78 plus $80
zalman cnps 9700 nt $55
all the same components as before except the heatsink

TOTAL $595
September 28, 2009 8:33:06 AM

amd of course...
better value and if you have the balls, you can try and unlock the disabled core, who know, maybe you'll endup with a quad
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 8:47:20 AM

ive heard about that 3rd and 4th core as well but y is that only certain boards can sustain the bios settings to unlock this?
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 9:05:44 AM

god its pry one in a million that have a working 4th core you would be lucky to get the trird core working sounds like they are having a lot of trouble with getting them stable
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September 28, 2009 9:16:14 AM

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god its pry one in a million that have a working 4th core you would be lucky to get the trird core working sounds like they are having a lot of trouble with getting them stable

either way, the PII is newer.
it's all about statistics, they sample a number of cpus in each batch and if at least certain number of them are malfunctioning, then they disable the entire batch's 1 or two cores (depending on the resules)
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 9:16:57 AM

ive always like asus and both mobos cost the same and i use newegg
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 9:19:59 AM

so you mite have a couple in each batch that do have a 3rd and 4th working core they jst got thrown in there because there were some malfunctioning chips?
what are the consequences of trying to activate those cores and they are the bad ones just deactivate again through bios?
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September 28, 2009 9:29:57 AM

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ive always like asus and both mobos cost the same and i use newegg

take this then http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... same chipset, asus.
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so you mite have a couple in each batch that do have a 3rd and 4th working core they jst got thrown in there because there were some malfunctioning chips?
what are the consequences of trying to activate those cores and they are the bad ones just deactivate again through bios?

yes. I haven't tried it (no money to buy the hardware) but it is possible, there are threads on that, in general, you unlock them, boot the os and try to strain them. just look around
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 9:35:04 AM

thats pretty cool it would be nice to have one like that and as for the motherboard how do you feel about micro atx boards ive never used one before ive always had an atx does it make a lot of difference?
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September 28, 2009 9:49:11 AM

sorry, no clue... I think they are smaller
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Anonymous
September 28, 2009 9:59:52 AM

yea i think thats the only realdifference tho jst a less space for cards and so on but makes giving a pc a clean look pry a little harder for wiring purposes jsta guess tho i could b wrong
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September 28, 2009 3:00:15 PM

First off nobody uses 4x1 gig sticks of RAM, that Freezer Pro h/s is pure crap, the 9700 is way over priced...and who pays $100 for a NZXT ? And a Nvidea chipset mobo ? Whoever came up with those builds is stuck in 2006 with no where to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $139.90
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $184.98
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7500 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $39.99 ($24.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBHK - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $129.98 Free Shipping*
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

Total: $564.93
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September 28, 2009 4:43:58 PM

daggs said:
jlriley:
7500: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Co...
x2 550: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phen...
choose....
Why_Me: up until now, I've suspected you are a intel fanboy, now I know... -1 for you.


Your first link is titled T7500 @ 2.20GHz yet the E7500 runs stock @ 2.93GHz. Congratulations there "Dags", you just linked a bench mark to a bloody laptop cpu(T7500). :lol: 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 28, 2009 5:31:46 PM

right, my bad.
still x2 is the better option here for now and for the future.
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Anonymous
September 29, 2009 6:22:27 AM

thanks for the suggestions why me but you seem 2 be an intel fanboy yes the benchmarks for the cpu's are quite different but the prices are as well. both systems can be upgraded and im very sure will both perform better than my current pc. as for the ram why is it not good 2 run 4 sticks of 1gb?
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September 29, 2009 6:56:04 AM

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thanks for the suggestions why me but you seem 2 be an intel fanboy yes the benchmarks for the cpu's are quite different but the prices are as well. both systems can be upgraded and im very sure will both perform better than my current pc. as for the ram why is it not good 2 run 4 sticks of 1gb?


First off me posting a cheaper Intel build than what you had is not being an "Intel fanboy". If that's the case, then don't start a thread asking what cpu you should get. I posted that build as an example so that you could seef how over priced that Intel build or yours is. And yes those bench marks are going to be way off when someone post a T7500 which happens to be a laptop cpu and not the E7500 which is one of the cpu's in this thread being discussed. It's called "having a clue".

Second, you don't get 4x1 gigs of RAM for the fact you don't want your memory slots filled up with 1 gig sticks side by side creating heat, and screwing up your o/c. Sans the reason you see so many 2x2 gig sets. Third those Nvidea chip set boards are pure junk for the most part. They don't o/c that well and they are as buggy as it gets. Fourth that $100 NZXT case is over priced imo when you can pick up a Cooler Master Case with more room, better cooling/airflow and quality for the same amount of money...or even cheaper if you go with the CM 690.

Last but not least check out this link down below.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
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September 29, 2009 7:12:15 AM

For Dags; Here are some Phenom II 550 BE / C2D E7500 benchmarks

jlriley; if you'd been around for a while you'd know Why_Me recommends both AMD and Intel systems on a regular basis.
If there's a fan-boi in this topic it's not him.

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Anonymous
September 29, 2009 7:12:50 AM

i was only joking about the fanboys comment didnt mean to offend if i did. the ram i always thought if it had dual channel wouldnt running 2 gig in each channel increase performance? i oculd be completely wrong because as you said there u run into heat issues this didnt occur to me. what chipset do you suggest for the intel setup? i just kind of through in the case didnt really care to much about it i have an old antec case. its an awesome case i jst like the idea of a side panel window
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September 29, 2009 7:18:44 AM

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i was only joking about the fanboys comment didnt mean to offend if i did. the ram i always thought if it had dual channel wouldnt running 2 gig in each channel increase performance? i oculd be completely wrong because as you said there u run into heat issues this didnt occur to me. what chipset do you suggest for the intel setup? i just kind of through in the case didnt really care to much about it i have an old antec case. its an awesome case i jst like the idea of a side panel window


For your budget I would look at the AMD 720 with a single card set up. Something like this down below and match it up with either the Antec 300...combo's w/Antec psu, or for a little more bling,...the Antec Illusion combo w/Antec psu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $178.99 $10.00 Mail-In Rebate Card Price After Mail-In Rebate(s): $168.99
GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail


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Anonymous
September 29, 2009 7:27:53 AM

with a triple core does that compensate for the difference in GHz? is this a decent cpu for overclocking i havent looked to far into the trip cores
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September 29, 2009 7:34:37 AM
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September 29, 2009 7:34:57 AM

For OC'ing comparisons on the E7500 and X2 550 check this XBitLabs article
Earlier in the article they were including an X3 710 in the non-OC'd benchmarks.
There was an earlier article on the x3 720 OC'ing and 4th core activation on the same website.
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Anonymous
September 29, 2009 7:55:34 AM

it seems like overclocking is much better suited for the trip core but non ocd the intel is a better choice. ive never ocd before ive never seen a reason to until now when you can get so much better results. which is easier to overclock?
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September 29, 2009 8:06:01 AM

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it seems like overclocking is much better suited for the trip core but non ocd the intel is a better choice. ive never ocd before ive never seen a reason to until now when you can get so much better results. which is easier to overclock?


I'm not sure about that AMD, but that E7500 will do 3.8GHz w/1333 fsb (11x x 333) in a heart beat...just make sure you have a decent h/s. A nice safe way to o/c that chip is to drop the multi to something like 9x so you get a clock of 3.16 w/ a fsb of 1333. But that AMD probably o/c nicely also.
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September 29, 2009 9:23:07 AM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-ath...

suggests the Phenom x2 is generally a better gamer than the intel .

It also has an upgrade path , since a current or future triple or quad could upgrade the machine . This true for the e7500 now but it wont be long b4 socket 775 is hard to find spares for

The intel is a better oc'er though , so the question is about the cost of a cpu AND a freakisly large aftermarket cooler

AMD chipset boards work better than the nVidia chipset boards for AMD . Dont use nVidia unless you get a great price or must have sli
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September 29, 2009 10:31:14 AM

Here is how I see the battle on this build:
Intel build:
* OC's well, just need a bit more research and a bit more work in the BIOS to get the desired OC.
* No RAID on the mobo combo selected.
* No Firewire connections on the mobo selected.
* Older socket set (s775) so will be harder to find upgrades in 12-24 months.
* Mobo supports DDR2, which is becoming less available. It's still around, but I'm seeing DDR2 prices almost matching DDR3 prices (2x2 gb sets).

AMD Build:
* OC's easily, just adjust the multiplier in the BIOS and your done. Basically this is the easiest way to do it. If you want push the AMD chip past its normal (no voltage adjusted) OC, than there is more involved.
* Mobo comes with RAID options!
* Mobo has Firewire!
* Mobo is fairly new and should last through an upgrade or 2!
* Mobo supports DDR3, which is becoming the standard, if it already isn't! DDR3 should be available for quite some time. And you should be able to use the DDR3 in another build in the future (maybe). DDR2 won't be used in future mobo's.

Generally the AMD build has a few more options on the mobo for a similar price. The mobo/DDR3 combo prices for the AMD system are quite respectable. The Intel setup is good too, so don't rule it out either. It's just that generally AMD based mobo's have more options for similar prices than the Intel boards. If you get an AMD mobo that has similar specs as an Intel mobo, you usually pay $20-50 less than the Intel mobo. This is not always the case, but overall this is pretty true.

Overall AMD usually has the better bang for the buck in the mid-budget end of the market. Intel does compete well too, but there are usually a few things that have to be looked at to try and even the playing field.

If you want the easiest OC of your life, the AMD PhII x2 550 BE would be the choice. The Intel can OC quite well too, you just have to adjust more things in the BIOS (FSB/RAM ratio/CPU voltage). None of these things are difficult in general to do, just there is more work in a good Intel OC than an AMD Black Edition CPU, IMHO.
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September 29, 2009 12:00:34 PM

no sure what you use the pc from but from sure you are not use it from gaming. im a AMD fans but using e7500 with p35 m/b both cpu are good for you amd is better for now because you can get a ddr3 m/b with good gfx buildin 790gx is the way to go with also come with raid. intel making change to i3-i5 no good for buying intel for the next 6 to 9 mths, oem cpu cooler will do the job unless you oc them.
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