Intel e7500 or amd phenom II 550 BE

[Guest]

ive got a really hard choice 2 make and i would like 2 hear a few other opinions. i have always been an intel guy its not that i have something against amd i just never really got around 2 trying out their cpu's. being that the playing field between intel and amd is rapidly changing it seems 2 me that you can get a better processor for less with amd these are the 2 builds i am considering tell me if you see any flaws or if you have any recomendations

what would you pick?
Intel core 2 duo e7500 wolfdale 2.93 GHz $120
ASUS P5N-D $120
nzxt tempest mid tower case $100
mushkin 1gb X 4 ddr2 800 $70
2 320gb wd hardrives $100
windows vista home premium 64 bit $90
arctic cooling freezer 7 pro $30

TOTAL $630

or

amd phenom II X 2 550 Black Edition 3.1 GHz $100
asus m4a78 plus $80
zalman cnps 9700 nt $55
all the same components as before except the heatsink

TOTAL $595

 

[daggs]

amd of course...
better value and if you have the balls, you can try and unlock the disabled core, who know, maybe you'll endup with a quad

 

[Guest]

ive heard about that 3rd and 4th core as well but y is that only certain boards can sustain the bios settings to unlock this?

 

[daggs]

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=298669

 

[daggs]

not sure where are you buying from but this gb mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394 should do the trick and is better and less pricey... btw, haven't seen and gpu... that bm has a built in one but it won't help you for gaming

 

[Guest]

god its pry one in a million that have a working 4th core you would be lucky to get the trird core working sounds like they are having a lot of trouble with getting them stable

 

[daggs]

god its pry one in a million that have a working 4th core you would be lucky to get the trird core working sounds like they are having a lot of trouble with getting them stable

either way, the PII is newer.
it's all about statistics, they sample a number of cpus in each batch and if at least certain number of them are malfunctioning, then they disable the entire batch's 1 or two cores (depending on the resules)

 

[Guest]

ive always like asus and both mobos cost the same and i use newegg

 

[Guest]

so you mite have a couple in each batch that do have a 3rd and 4th working core they jst got thrown in there because there were some malfunctioning chips?
what are the consequences of trying to activate those cores and they are the bad ones just deactivate again through bios?

 

[daggs]

ive always like asus and both mobos cost the same and i use newegg

take this then http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131595 same chipset, asus.

so you mite have a couple in each batch that do have a 3rd and 4th working core they jst got thrown in there because there were some malfunctioning chips?
what are the consequences of trying to activate those cores and they are the bad ones just deactivate again through bios?

yes. I haven't tried it (no money to buy the hardware) but it is possible, there are threads on that, in general, you unlock them, boot the os and try to strain them. just look around

 

[Guest]

thats pretty cool it would be nice to have one like that and as for the motherboard how do you feel about micro atx boards ive never used one before ive always had an atx does it make a lot of difference?

 

[daggs]

sorry, no clue... I think they are smaller

 

[Guest]

yea i think thats the only realdifference tho jst a less space for cards and so on but makes giving a pc a clean look pry a little harder for wiring purposes jsta guess tho i could b wrong

 

[Why_Me]

First off nobody uses 4x1 gig sticks of RAM, that Freezer Pro h/s is pure crap, the 9700 is way over priced...and who pays $100 for a NZXT ? And a Nvidea chipset mobo ? Whoever came up with those builds is stuck in 2006 with no where to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.246590 Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $139.90
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.253271 Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $184.98
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7500 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004 $39.99 ($24.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231219 $69.99
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBHK - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.259577.22-152-181 Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $129.98 Free Shipping*
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

Total: $564.93

 

[daggs]

jlriley:
7500: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+T7500+%40+2.20GHz
x2 550: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X2+550
choose....
Why_Me: up until now, I've suspected you are a intel fanboy, now I know... -1 for you.

 

[Why_Me]

jlriley:
7500: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+T7500+%40+2.20GHz
x2 550: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X2+550
choose....
Why_Me: up until now, I've suspected you are a intel fanboy, now I know... -1 for you.

Your first link is titled T7500 @ 2.20GHz yet the E7500 runs stock @ 2.93GHz. Congratulations there "Dags", you just linked a bench mark to a bloody laptop cpu(T7500). :lol:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056

 

[daggs]

right, my bad.
still x2 is the better option here for now and for the future.

 

[Guest]

thanks for the suggestions why me but you seem 2 be an intel fanboy yes the benchmarks for the cpu's are quite different but the prices are as well. both systems can be upgraded and im very sure will both perform better than my current pc. as for the ram why is it not good 2 run 4 sticks of 1gb?

 

[Why_Me]

thanks for the suggestions why me but you seem 2 be an intel fanboy yes the benchmarks for the cpu's are quite different but the prices are as well. both systems can be upgraded and im very sure will both perform better than my current pc. as for the ram why is it not good 2 run 4 sticks of 1gb?

First off me posting a cheaper Intel build than what you had is not being an "Intel fanboy". If that's the case, then don't start a thread asking what cpu you should get. I posted that build as an example so that you could seef how over priced that Intel build or yours is. And yes those bench marks are going to be way off when someone post a T7500 which happens to be a laptop cpu and not the E7500 which is one of the cpu's in this thread being discussed. It's called "having a clue".

Second, you don't get 4x1 gigs of RAM for the fact you don't want your memory slots filled up with 1 gig sticks side by side creating heat, and screwing up your o/c. Sans the reason you see so many 2x2 gig sets. Third those Nvidea chip set boards are pure junk for the most part. They don't o/c that well and they are as buggy as it gets. Fourth that $100 NZXT case is over priced imo when you can pick up a Cooler Master Case with more room, better cooling/airflow and quality for the same amount of money...or even cheaper if you go with the CM 690.

Last but not least check out this link down below.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

 

[WR2]

For Dags; Here are some Phenom II 550 BE / C2D E7500 benchmarks

jlriley; if you'd been around for a while you'd know Why_Me recommends both AMD and Intel systems on a regular basis.
If there's a fan-boi in this topic it's not him.

 

[Guest]

i was only joking about the fanboys comment didnt mean to offend if i did. the ram i always thought if it had dual channel wouldnt running 2 gig in each channel increase performance? i oculd be completely wrong because as you said there u run into heat issues this didnt occur to me. what chipset do you suggest for the intel setup? i just kind of through in the case didnt really care to much about it i have an old antec case. its an awesome case i jst like the idea of a side panel window

 

[Why_Me]

i was only joking about the fanboys comment didnt mean to offend if i did. the ram i always thought if it had dual channel wouldnt running 2 gig in each channel increase performance? i oculd be completely wrong because as you said there u run into heat issues this didnt occur to me. what chipset do you suggest for the intel setup? i just kind of through in the case didnt really care to much about it i have an old antec case. its an awesome case i jst like the idea of a side panel window

For your budget I would look at the AMD 720 with a single card set up. Something like this down below and match it up with either the Antec 300...combo's w/Antec psu, or for a little more bling,...the Antec Illusion combo w/Antec psu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.259850 Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $178.99 $10.00 Mail-In Rebate Card Price After Mail-In Rebate(s): $168.99
GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

 

[Guest]

with a triple core does that compensate for the difference in GHz? is this a decent cpu for overclocking i havent looked to far into the trip cores

 

[Why_Me]

with a triple core does that compensate for the difference in GHz? is this a decent cpu for overclocking i havent looked to far into the trip cores

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3512&p=9

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenomii_720_810_am3/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&Itemid=63

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3801711

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/processors/AMD_Phenom_II_X4_810_X3_720_1.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-810-and-x3-720be-review-am3/

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/02/11/amd-phenom-820-810-720-710-am3-cpus/1

 

[WR2]

For OC'ing comparisons on the E7500 and X2 550 check this XBitLabs article
Earlier in the article they were including an X3 710 in the non-OC'd benchmarks.
There was an earlier article on the x3 720 OC'ing and 4th core activation on the same website.