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October 13, 2009 2:14:48 PM

Radeon HD 5770 And 5750 Review: Gentlemen, Start Your HTPCs

After a long wait, ATI finally release its mid-range card HD5770. However, the performance is worse than the current HD4870 & HD4890. WTF! I am so disappointed on them!
October 13, 2009 2:19:31 PM

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...

Performs SAME.
But the interesting thing here is the scaling power of this little B!tch.
Easily get more performance then a single HD5850.
And its still better then HD4870 because of DX11 Support and ATI Eyeinfinity.
Dont forget that those are pure theoretical Frames.
You will get more frames by
1) Overclocking the CPU (up to 5~8 FPS gain.)
2) ATI Will release Drivers that will make you win around 4~5 FPS.
3) Playing at a more...reasonable resolution, or taking off the 2x MSAA that will make you gain...more then 5 FPS.
Tadam, your HD5770 is suddenly way more appealing right?
And you wait xmas, get another one and TADAM, its suddenly EXTREMLY appealing.
October 13, 2009 2:26:59 PM

The low single GPU performance seriously look lika driver bug....
But in any case, the double GPU scaling kills the purpose of going HD4870.
1) You wont be able to dual it for more performance
2)No dx11
Relax people. You were craving for that HD4870 just a year ago. Now we give it to you, with dx11 and the best scaling capabilities in the history of ATI. what more can you ask?
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 2:38:09 PM

I'm not surprised though. Assuming there isn't a driver glitch (in which case all is good) these numbers seem reasonable for a mainsteam (x7xx) card. The 4770 was a beast, but that was more a test of the 40nm process than a planned card, so its number didn't make sense (should have been x8xx). The price is a bit high, at least at some places, making this not such a great buy, but that is because they want to sell all the 4800s first (and they probably don't have a ton of these yet). Once the price settles to its correct value, I think these would be a great budget card. And plus, maybe they are saving space for a 5830? That is more of the card it sounds like you are looking for.
October 13, 2009 2:46:52 PM

Yeah true.
The money space between HD 5770 and HD5850 is 100$. there is no such hole in ATI graphics. they ARE planning a in-between card. Probably a HD5770 with a 256bit bus.

But it's true, the HD5770 is already a very good investment. It beat a HD5850 and it's the one that will be most subject to price drops because of a POSSIBLE release of HD 5830. thus making 2 HD5770 better then a single HD5850.

Once again dont forget drivers. EVEN if the single GPU is not driver glitch, updates will give you +~4~5 fps, thus beating the HD4870. But anyway, the power of HD4870 with dx11 is FAR more then enough. The only game where it's still low is on crysis. And it's still extremly playable at 1280x1024 with 2xmsaa. And ANYWAY if you plan on playing crysis on max, your in the bad range of cards, this is a MID range not a high end.
October 13, 2009 3:04:33 PM

andy5174 said:
Radeon HD 5770 And 5750 Review: Gentlemen, Start Your HTPCs

After a long wait, ATI finally release its mid-range card HD5770. However, the performance is worse than the current HD4870 & HD4890. WTF! I am so disappointed on them!


Stop comparing the 5770 with the 4890 that is was never supposed to replace!!!

Duh - 47xx -> 57xx and 48xx -> 58xx

Not hard is it!
October 13, 2009 3:11:07 PM

True that. But once again scaling power is good enough to rape a crossfire HD4890. NUFF SAID!!!!
October 13, 2009 11:17:42 PM

I expected the new ATI cards to perform better than the old ones at better price which should be the case for all the PC componets. For example, the i5-750 is superior to the Q9550 with its price being cheaper as well.
October 13, 2009 11:30:26 PM

Well yeah, but dude, your comparing apples to bananas.

The HD5770 is a MIDRANGE card while the HD4870/4890 are HIGHEND.

If you want to compare old one vs new one, you should compare HD5770 with a HD4770.
This card is for people who did not follow the last GPU advancement, being HD4870/4890 and who want to be able to play DX11 at a good price. Now, the little surprise with this card is that it scales PERFECTLY. You can easily achieve a 100% scale:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...

IT actually scales SO good that it beats a HD5870,5850 and even reach the power of a CROSSFIRE HD5870 or a CFHD5850. This is unbelievable.
This card is for two type of peoples:
The one like me who are getting one for free from the parents. I will buy another one and reach the power of HD5870 for only 180$CAD (Yes im a b!tch.)
OR
The one that did not follow the HD4870/GTX260 and who require an upgrade (and this is 70% of the market.) All those people will go HD5770 because of DX11. after a few months and 50$ price drop or so, they will probably get another one, and enjoy the extreme REAL power of this card.

For the rest of the market, those who already own HD4870/4890/GTX260, You people already own a HIGH END card, why are you even checking the benchmarks of a MIDRANGE card?? Thats pure nonsens.
a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:30:58 PM

bboynatural said:
Yeah true.
The money space between HD 5770 and HD5850 is 100$. there is no such hole in ATI graphics. they ARE planning a in-between card. Probably a HD5770 with a 256bit bus.
But it's true, the HD5770 is already a very good investment. It beat a HD5850 and it's the one that will be most subject to price drops because of a POSSIBLE release of HD 5830. thus making 2 HD5770 better then a single HD5850.
Once again dont forget drivers. EVEN if the single GPU is not driver glitch, updates will give you +~4~5 fps, thus beating the HD4870. But anyway, the power of HD4870 with dx11 is FAR more then enough. The only game where it's still low is on crysis. And it's still extremly playable at 1280x1024 with 2xmsaa. And ANYWAY if you plan on playing crysis on max, your in the bad range of cards, this is a MID range not a high end.

bboynatural said:
Wait a minute harrypot your going i7 right? as in LGA 1136? So you will have pre enabled crossfire?
Then go HD 5770. Nuff said....Go HD5770. You wanted a HD4870? this gives you the same power but you have DX11 and EyeInfinity. And the scales are awesome. You will be able ANYTIME to overperform HD5850 and HD5870.
Nuff said? ;D


5770s and 4870s are both "mid range" cards. The 5800s are the upper range cards. Two 4870s = 1 5870s, and two of those in Xfire scales just as good as two 5770s.

5750 < 4850 < 5770 </~ 4870 < 5850 < 2x5770s </~ 2x4870s ~ 5870


1. 4870 is superior to the 5770
2. 2x4870s in crossfire is superior to two 5770s in crossfire
3. 5770s are expected to cost around $200, whereas the 4870 1GB costs around $140

Even taking into consideration driver improvements in the future, the 5770 will at best equal to or be marginally better than a 4870...not worth the $60 price premium at the moment.

There really is no reason to get a 5770 now over a 4870 unless you want DX11.

The 5770 is not worth it IMO unless it drops to the price of the 4870.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:32:13 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
5770s and 4870s are both "mid range" cards. The 5800s are the upper range cards. Two 4870s = 1 5870s, and two of those in Xfire scales just as good as two 5770s.

5750 < 4850 < 5770 </~ 4870 < 5850 < 2x5770s </~ 2x4870s ~ 5870


1. 4870 is superior to the 5770
2. 2x4870s in crossfire is superior to two 5770s in crossfire
3. 5770s are expected to cost around $200, whereas the 4870 1GB costs around $140

Even taking into consideration driver improvements in the future, the 5770 will at best equal to or be marginally better than a 4870...not worth the $60 price premium at the moment.

There really is no reason to get a 5770 now over a 4870 unless you want DX11.

The 5770 is not worth it IMO unless it drops to the price of the 4870.

Coulda sworn I saw it for 160$ on Newegg, eh?

a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:33:12 PM

shadow187 said:
Coulda sworn I saw it for 160$ on Newegg, eh?


Whoops, yeh you're right. I was looking at a pricer one. So that does make it a fairly decent deal. I'd still wait for the drop on 5800s though...

If the 4800s drops in price, then the 5770s would have nowhere to go.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:35:19 PM

Hah. Yeah, you're paying 20$ for DX11, lower power consumption, lower heat, and the 5770 scales extremely well in Xfire.
a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:37:48 PM

One of the reviews I read earlier said the same.

At $200, it's almost a lemon. At $160, it is a good choice compared to any of the competing cards. AMD are no longer giving you cards at a measly profit, if you wanted that you had plenty of opportunities in the past.

With Nvidia missing from competition, this is a good time to realise that ATI aren't here to give you amazing performance at bargain prices. Don't bother waiting on price drops that aren't coming either, because Nvidia are nowhere to be seen.
October 13, 2009 11:42:09 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
5770s and 4870s are both "mid range" cards. The 5800s are the upper range cards. Two 4870s = 1 5870s, and two of those in Xfire scales just as good as two 5770s.

5750 < 4850 < 5770 </~ 4870 < 5850 < 2x5770s </~ 2x4870s ~ 5870


1. 4870 is superior to the 5770
2. 2x4870s in crossfire is superior to two 5770s in crossfire
3. 5770s are expected to cost around $200, whereas the 4870 1GB costs around $140

Even taking into consideration driver improvements in the future, the 5770 will at best equal to or be marginally better than a 4870...not worth the $60 price premium at the moment.

There really is no reason to get a 5770 now over a 4870 unless you want DX11.

The 5770 is not worth it IMO unless it drops to the price of the 4870.


It all depends on the game. Your comparing a extremly tweaked card to a new born. Even so:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
It beats HD4870x2. Driver improvement will tweak it better.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
It RAPES HD4870x2.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
Crossfiring once again RAPES HD4870x2
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
Should I really continue?
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
First game to actually give a win to HD4870x2. CRYSIS 8) A few tweaks should do just fine IMO.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
Another win for HD4870x2. But at this level of fps, it should not be considered. This is the advantage of 256bit over 128, nothing else.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
Same performance.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
RAPED.

Now with HD5770, you get DX11/ATI Stream/Eye Infinity.
and the price is 176CAD at directcanada.
XFX HD4870 is 165. I think it's worth the extra 10 bucks right?

Dont forget that your comparing a MIDRANGE to a HIGH END. HD4870 is a HIGH END card buddy!

Once again, your comparing a NEW BORN to a 100YEAR OLD SAGE.
Tweacking will make the games more balanced. And overclocking/cpuoverclock/disabling AA/playing at resonable resolution should be taking into consideration when your using a MID RANGE card SINGLE GPU. Once youl go CROSSFIRE tho, you just unleashed a monster that is yet to be stopped.

Now take a look at the scale on mass effect and fall out 3.
HD5770 reached a 100% scale. while HD4870 was in the 80~75%.

If your upgrading from ashes (HD4850/GTS250) dont even ask. Go HD5770.
If you already own a HD4870, why are you chekcing the benchmarks of a MID RANGE CARD???
October 13, 2009 11:43:34 PM

I second jennyh,
There is no competition, there will be no price drop.
The only little drops you can expect are at Xmas sales, and expect a mere 10~20$ drop. nothing more.
a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2009 11:54:46 PM

Well, the OP is right in his reasoning, except when you are still trying to sell the older cards. If the 5770 had been cheaper, other than those crossfiring with an older 4870, who in their right mind would buy a 4870 over a 5770? That would be bad for retailers who still have plenty of stock of 4870s. The price is higher in an effort to keep sales of the 4870 and the 5770 decent.
October 13, 2009 11:59:21 PM

^+1

But the real question is why are people comparing a high end card to a mere midrange toy...?
I know they might be sick to see that people will be getting same performance then the one they got for 250$ for 160$ while suporting DX11 and extreme crossfring, but thats no reason to stomp the HD5770...It was not made to compare to a HD4870 anyway. If you want to compare, you should wait for HD5830.
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 12:03:01 AM

I have owned a great many graphics cards, and I know the differences each brings.

The 5770 is on the same level as the 4870, just like the 4770 was on the same level as the 4850. That is what we're talking about here. The only reason the 4770 isn't the most popular graphics card around is because of its horrible availability at launch and afterwards.

In fps terms, the 4850 beat the 4770 in 7/10, maybe even 8/10 games. But it was so close that people understood what the real bargain card was when the other factors were considered. Anyone with a brain will lose 1-2fps for silent and cool, low power graphics vs a noisy hot power hungry bugger. Guess what, it's the same for the 5770 vs the 4870.

For your own sake, buy a 5770 instead of a 4870, 260gtx or whatever. The small fps loss is worth it believe me.
October 14, 2009 12:04:52 AM

^ couldnt say it better.
October 14, 2009 1:01:12 AM

bboynatural said:
Well yeah, but dude, your comparing apples to bananas.

The HD5770 is a MIDRANGE card while the HD4870/4890 are HIGHEND.


Q9550 is high end and i5-750 is mainstream too! In addition, the price of HD5770 is very close to that of the HD4890 1GB(at least in NZ)!
October 14, 2009 1:03:35 AM

I don't want to pay something that is much less for the same!
October 14, 2009 1:19:33 AM

jennyh said:
I have owned a great many graphics cards, and I know the differences each brings.

The 5770 is on the same level as the 4870, just like the 4770 was on the same level as the 4850. That is what we're talking about here. The only reason the 4770 isn't the most popular graphics card around is because of its horrible availability at launch and afterwards.

In fps terms, the 4850 beat the 4770 in 7/10, maybe even 8/10 games. But it was so close that people understood what the real bargain card was when the other factors were considered. Anyone with a brain will lose 1-2fps for silent and cool, low power graphics vs a noisy hot power hungry bugger. Guess what, it's the same for the 5770 vs the 4870.

For your own sake, buy a 5770 instead of a 4870, 260gtx or whatever. The small fps loss is worth it believe me.


For the HD5770 price in NZ, I would rather get a HD4890 1GB!

HD4890 $319 + factory overclocked to 900MHz + free HAWX

HD5770 $319
October 14, 2009 1:52:07 AM

Double post:
....... you realize....that you look stupid...right..? o.o

You are rejecting DirectX 11 while games are coming JANUARY.
You are rejecting possible EYEINFINITY TECHNOLOGY
You are rejecting ATI Stream (equivalent of CUDA that nvidia is so proud of)

And all that for WHAT?
http://www.guru3d.com/article/rade [...] ew-test/14
3 FPS?
http://www.guru3d.com/article/rade [...] ew-test/15
MINUS 6 FPS?
http://www.guru3d.com/article/rade [...] ew-test/17
MINUS 30 FPS??
http://www.guru3d.com/article/rade [...] ew-test/18
4 FPS??

Plus the power consumption:
# System in IDLE = 228 Watts
# System with GPU in FULL Stress = 321 Watts
VS
* System in IDLE = 223 Watt
* System with GPU in FULL Stress = 370 Watt

Is your PSU even ENOUGH? + overclocked to 900MHZ = MORE WATT.

It's time t EVOLVE man. If the HD 4890 was DRASTICALLY superior to HD 5770, then id say go for it, fk DX11.

But they perform around the same (And the HD5770 wasnt even driver tweacked yet) but one has 4 advantages over the other.

Now if you ever want to crossfire someday, you want me to show you results of poor HD4890 Crossfire?? it's LAME compared to the immence power you will get by crossfiring 2 HD 5770.

Are you stupid???
Even 1 Is enough to beat HD4890. Two is a plain, sweet, overkill.
Don't you understand? Dx11 performs BETTER. the HD5770 will have another speed advantage over HD4890. And while everybody will be playing the latest DX11 titles with awesome graphics, you will stick to poor performant DX10.
Im just trying to help you dude relax.
You know what, Ima shut up. Go waste your money.
Sorry for trying to make you see a simple fact.
October 14, 2009 1:53:05 AM

You know what people, let him do what ever he want.
we throwed every single benchmark to prove him wrong and we DID prove him wrong.
Yet hed rather get dx10 over dx11 for the same fkin price/performance.

Whatever you want buddy. Don't come crying after.
Will never try to help you again.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 1:57:53 AM

bboynatural said:
You know what people, let him do what ever he want.
we throwed every single benchmark to prove him wrong and we DID prove him wrong.
Yet hed rather get dx10 over dx11 for the same fkin price/performance.

Whatever you want buddy. Don't come crying after.
Will never try to help you again.

calm down, it's only a forum and the posters are under no obligation to follow any advice given by you me or anyone else who posts a comment.
October 14, 2009 2:00:15 AM

Of course hes not, but to tell me to shut up was quite rude. Hes the one who should calm down and drop his 4890 addiction.
October 14, 2009 2:04:39 AM

bboynatural said:
Of course hes not, but to tell me to shut up was quite rude. Hes the one who should calm down and drop his 4890 addiction.

Speak like you are being polite! Who start it first? Who call other troll first! Rude people deserve to be treat rudely!
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 2:04:40 AM

If he wants to buy the 4890, he wont be disappointed. Especially not with prices being the same at his local level.

Truth be told, I would probably go with the 4890 bundle too. In his locale, the 5770 is overpriced that is why the 4890 looks like its a much better deal. It is tbh. I would wait instead of buying a 4890 however, but that depends on other factors like how desperate you are to pull the trigger. :p 
October 14, 2009 2:06:31 AM

WOW relax I was joking because I came on another thread to see you posting the same thing you said here. And it was not true since you said going HD4870 over HD5770 was better.
Well now if your locals have overprices, then I guess your stuck.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 2:11:03 AM

Hopefully all who read this will calm down a bit and think before they post. If the OP has an issue with the 5770 then so be it, there is no point in getting angry about being unable to dissuade them from that opinion.
October 14, 2009 2:15:00 AM

jennyh said:
If he wants to buy the 4890, he wont be disappointed. Especially not with prices being the same at his local level.

Truth be told, I would probably go with the 4890 bundle too. In his locale, the 5770 is overpriced that is why the 4890 looks like its a much better deal. It is tbh. I would wait instead of buying a 4890 however, but that depends on other factors like how desperate you are to pull the trigger. :p 


Yeah, I will wait for the HD5830. I would just go with the HD4890 if the HD5830 is not out in 2 weeks.
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 2:26:07 AM

The 5830 wont be out in 2 weeks, you can be sure of that. Maybe in 2 months with the release of the 5870x2, before then it would be pointless for ATI to release it.
October 14, 2009 2:26:33 AM

bboynatural said:
WOW relax I was joking because I came on another thread to see you posting the same thing you said here. And it was not true since you said going HD4870 over HD5770 was better.
Well now if your locals have overprices, then I guess your stuck.


going/buying HD4870? NO, I didn't say that.

What I said is that HD4870 is better in performance at the current stage which is TRUE!

You are just making prediction that HD5770 will definitely??? much better when its driver matures.

October 14, 2009 2:28:05 AM

jennyh said:
The 5830 wont be out in 2 weeks, you can be sure of that. Maybe in 2 months with the release of the 5870x2, before then it would be pointless for ATI to release it.

Why would they do that? Isn't the higher mid-range card most popular? For example, HD4870 was the most popular one in HD4xxx.
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 3:19:07 AM

Well, I for one haven't actually heard of a 5830. I had speculated and hoped for one in other threads, but I have not seen concrete evidence of one. So if there is one, it may be a ways off.

And, yeah, obviously get whichever card seems to be best price vs perf. to you, as only you truly know what your needs are. A 4890 is a great card. I think with either choice you will be pleased, but just to be safe, do a quick browse of the DX11 titles and make sure none of them are must haves for you. If any are, you may want to give the 5770 another consideration. Or you can always wait and see if the speculated driver improvements are true or not.

October 14, 2009 3:54:12 AM

andy5174 said:
Q9550 is high end and i5-750 is mainstream too! In addition, the price of HD5770 is very close to that of the HD4890 1GB(at least in NZ)!


Just dont be blinded by perforamnce/price comparision.
5770 is @ par 4870.
Over and above it multi monitor support and very energy efficient card.
October 14, 2009 5:17:15 AM

Here is something to think about, What 4xxx radeon has a RETAIL price of 159? What is it selling for right now? What is the RETAIL price vs the current SALE price of the 4870?

So you want to compare retail priced cards to sale priced cards. AMD doesn't set sale prices, they can't control what newegg or anyone else charges for the final price. When stocks are high, prices go down, when demand is high, prices are up.

So to end it, right now you will not find the 5770 on sale because the demand is high, but you will find the 4870 heavily on sale because everyone is stocked up. If you want to compare cards, do it retail vs retail or wait 3 months then do your comparison when the prices are settling.

Sure looking at it right now retail vs sale, you will get a better deal on the sale. DUH.
a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2009 5:21:51 AM

witcherx said:
Just dont be blinded by perforamnce/price comparision.
5770 is @ par 4870.
Over and above it multi monitor support and very energy efficient card.


I wonder if you can hybrid Crossfire a 4870 and a 5770 to get the performance of two 4870s or two 5770s...hmmmm >_>
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 7:11:47 AM

: :na:  it is not possible.
you you want to play games like crysis,mw2,etc at max settings
and high resolution at good framerates
better go for a single ati hd4870
it is a better performer with less capabalities.
comparing an ati 5770 and ati 4870 is like

comparing a olympic racer(HD 4870) with a mechanic(HD 5770).
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 7:32:44 AM

Quote:
: :na:  it is not possible.
you you want to play games like crysis,mw2,etc at max settings
and high resolution at good framerates
better go for a single ati hd4870
it is a better performer with less capabalities.
comparing an ati 5770 and ati 4870 is like

comparing a olympic racer(HD 4870) with a mechanic(HD 5770).


Except the fact that the HD 4870 and the HD 5770 are equal in performance your post is totally correct.

PS. Don't play necromancer with old threads.
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