New nvidia cards are a joke

they aren't new they just got new names

Considering that these cards have been available for the last three months as OEM parts they can hardly be called new, if you had done your research you would not have been surprised by their arrival.

they just die shrunk 9600gt's

They're pieces of junk. That's all there is to it. The 4670 does better than both of them, I think.

LOL - you buy a new Ford escort and expect it to run as fast as an older Corvette?
The cards are excellent - for the low end market they are intended to serve.
THG just did a review on them:

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2445.html

No, they are great cards for the performance level intended. They are for people who want something more than integrated graphics but don't want to pay a lot for a video card. To call them "crap" because they target the low end of the market is just silly.

yes they are crap, the performance is crap and the price is crap.
^^retale who cares

just whent from geforce 9400 gt to bfg 250 gts and did great miracles.

All low details for 9400 on gta 4

and runs great with details graphics on 205 gt so its great buy

these cards are for nvidia what the 4770 was for ati, they are using them to learn to master the 40nm process, they are new 40nm dx10.1 parts, not die shrinks, they arent meant to compete, theyre meant to be an alternative to people with htpcs who have tiny power supplys, wait till gt300 and then compare

Precisely more Ewaste/Junk/dump for 3rd world countries

why some people think that all graphic card intended for heavy gaming?

Point here is, theres cards out now, some by ATI, some by nVidia, that show similat perf, for similar prices, and even better pricing in some cases, thats the problem.
If you want it for your coffetable for show, or whatever use it has, it costs too much for doing so lil, and doesnt even render DX10.1 right anyways

This weeks THG review stated:

With the GeForce 9500 GT GDDR3 and Radeon HD 4650 available for about $50, and the Radeon HD 4670 retailing for about $70, that means the new GeForce GT 220 GDDR3 would be a recommended buy at about $60.

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 45-18.html

The cards are currently selling at newegg for $70. A $10 difference. Wow what over pricing. And the GT 220 outperformed the 4670 in Fallout - so what if you like that game? And the GT 220 uses 20% less power under load - what if you choose to be energy efficient? And the temperatures are substantially lower - what if that is an important consideration? The latter two may be particulary more important considerations for someone buying the cards for other than gaming - especially if you are looking for a quiet, efficient HTPC system. And if gaming is your bag - then hopefully you can pay a little more and get a much better card than the GT 220 or the 4670.

$10 is a huge price difference at the points in question... 20% more expensive than a competing product that is better performing on many fronts is simply too much.