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Amd phenom II 965 BE vs Q9400

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December 17, 2009 6:33:30 PM

This is my rig
PSU-.600 OCZ Stealhtream
Grafics Card-hd 4890
RAM-4 GB ddr 3 ram Platinium PY
MOTHER-ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO - Socket AM3 - Chipset 785G - ATX
Cooler- Artic Freezer Rev 7 Pro
im choosing between the two above.
I want to oc them to the max with my configuration, considering i do so what is the best since q9400 has more L2 cache , less TDP and more overcloking potencial(as i saw in some reviews)

More about : amd phenom 965 q9400

December 17, 2009 6:52:19 PM

I was also thinking about buying an I5 but here it´s about 70 euros more expensive , do you think it´s worth it? How well does it OC?
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December 17, 2009 11:59:19 PM

If you already own that Socket AM3 motherboard, than the Phenom II is the only processor you listed that can be used on it.
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December 18, 2009 9:01:16 AM

i5,Q9400,PII don't work on the same kind of mobo.
i5 ---LGA 1156 socket
Q9400 ---LGA 775 socket
Phenom II---AM3 socket

f you've bought an AM3 mobo, PhenomII is your only choice.
December 18, 2009 10:30:25 AM

Im ordering the mobo
I can still cancel the order and get another mobo(for the processors above mentioned)
I forgot to mention that , sorry :/  ,
giving that what do you think is better?
Prices in my country
ASUS P5Q SE2 - Socket 775 - Chipset P45 - ATX - 67 euros
Q9400- 150 euros
Q9450- 259,00 euros( it´s very expensive here)
Q 9550- 224 euros( it´s cheaper the the q 9450 because it´s more popular)
MOTHER-ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO - Socket AM3 - Chipset 785G - ATX (ddr 2 memory , i cant find a ddr 3 memory for 80 as i can with a am3 mother)-
82 euros
Intel I5- 170 euros
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3 - Socket 1156 - Chipset P55 - ATX-109 euros
AMD PHENOM II 965- 140 euros
considering the prices the q9400 would cost as much as phenom II with mobo , the i5 would be 70 euros more expensive
OVERCLOCK-
if i overclock the system to it´s fullest what is the best solution for me? Does the i5 Os well?Is it worth the price difeerence
The onlye thing stopping to to do it is my 20 euros case that sucks for OC
DONT OVERCLOCK
At stock for price/quality que phenom II (i think) is the winner
the i5 at STOCK is about as good and tied and many benchs
and the q9400 is simple weaker
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December 18, 2009 10:46:49 AM

you should look for the phenom over the quads.... they out perform the quads for similar prices... but if u look at the core i5 then the picture changes... core i5 beats the fastest phenom... so it all boils down to how much money u are willing to spend for the processor... and the mobo of course...
December 18, 2009 10:50:55 AM

At STOCK they are almost the same..
I´ve seen benchmarks the i5 is faster doing somethings the 965 BE is faster doing others
But the i5 overclocks a LOT and has turbo boost and hyperthreading
ps:Even if i go to OC do you keep your opinion that i should go for the phenoms´, intel´s quad core cpu´s overclock like crazy with low tdp´s
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December 18, 2009 11:26:34 AM

lol amd fan







when extreme comes to extreme look for yourself

the i5 has no HT
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December 18, 2009 11:33:08 AM

Ok, the 955 and the Q9400 are in the same level.

1- If you buy the 965, you don't need change your mobo 'cause your current mobo is perfect for this processor.

2- If you buy the Q9400, you need change your mobo for another that support this processor, you current mobo only support AMD processors

3- If you buy the i5 ( the best between the X4 965, Q9400 and I5), you need change your mobo, and maybe add a tri-channel RAM.

Now, my questions.

1- Do you have the budget for change mobo, processor and maybe RAM if you buy the i5?

2- Do you only want OC? or also use the PC for video edition, photo edition, games....
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December 18, 2009 12:03:31 PM

saint19 said:
Ok, the 955 and the Q9400 are in the same level.

1- If you buy the 965, you don't need change your mobo 'cause your current mobo is perfect for this processor.

2- If you buy the Q9400, you need change your mobo for another that support this processor, you current mobo only support AMD processors

3- If you buy the i5 ( the best between the X4 965, Q9400 and I5), you need change your mobo, and maybe add a tri-channel RAM.

Now, my questions.

1- Do you have the budget for change mobo, processor and maybe RAM if you buy the i5?

2- Do you only want OC? or also use the PC for video edition, photo edition, games....


The Core i5 cant use Tri channel memory, Only Dual channel and it has to be DDR3

If i was the OP I would just buy the New version of the AMD Phenom 965 and with the money saved get a decent Cooler and overclock it
December 18, 2009 12:32:41 PM

i say get a new mobo and get the core i5 , at stock speeeds it jsut as good as the 965 if not better ant the 965 is at 3.4ghz where the core i5 is at 2.66 and it is slightly better than in in performance wise and around the same performance in games. if u have turbo boost on it is at like 2.8ghz, which it wil sureley surpass the 965 and thats not even including a Overclock just a slight one to like 3.0-3.2 which if u did it would completley crap all over the 965

chuck in some ddr3 rma and u r set

the core i5 is cheaper for me than the 955 and 965 but atleast 100 bucks and the mobo only cost me 160 bucks so i say go for the i5
December 18, 2009 12:37:57 PM

not to mention it will require u to get a lga1156 , and int he future if u deside to upgrade u can chuck in a core i7 860 or 870 or w.e cpu has come out in that itme that supports your mobo ;P the 965 form amd is its flagship processor atm and it is only on par with the core i5 , its sad to think a amd proccessor at 3.4ghz is the speed of a intel cpu a 2.6 intel is shureley crappign all over amd now lol
December 18, 2009 1:41:15 PM

1- Do you have the budget for change mobo, processor and maybe RAM if you buy the i5?

2- Do you only want OC? or also use the PC for video edition, photo edition, games....

1- i don´t know , i have to wait for christmas and see how much i get , but
there´s a promotion on the amd processor that lastes for more one day , after that they wil l be over in the warehouse quite porbably so i have to decide fast , it´s price was cutted by 20 euros

2- I use for all the things you said , but mainly for games , and i plan to OC heavily

you current mobo only support AMD processors
Yeawh but i can cancel the order of the mobo and order a new one
that won´t be a problem

Obsidian i can´t OC that much , i saw some reviews that stated that in a normal air cooled system the 965 stays stabel at about 4.00 GHZ , with my 20 euros case and sucky fans it woud take half as much or so..


The Core i5 cant use Tri channel memory, Only Dual channel and it has to be DDR3

My memory is dual channel ddr 3 i think
I use two of these:
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/2629906/art/pny/memoria-p...
are they dual channel


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December 18, 2009 3:13:23 PM

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Forget s775.

Go s1156 or socket AM3. Both have possible future upgrade paths.

Your choice is either 955BE cpu with the mobo you already bought -OR- return the board you bought for a P55 mobo and get a i5 750 cpu.

Dont expect 4ghz from the 955 (or 965), 3.6 is more realistic, possibly 3.8 with a good aftermarket air cooler, but dont count on more than 3.6.


+1
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December 18, 2009 4:57:14 PM

IF you really have an AM3 board then there is no reason why you shouldn't get 955.
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December 18, 2009 5:09:08 PM

+1, you have an AM3 mobo, so, get the 955 that have a big OC potential (i have one) or 965 (125W edition). Maybe aren't the best against the i5 or i7, but come on, is the winner against almost the 90% of the core2quad of Intel.
December 18, 2009 5:49:32 PM

I can still cancel the order..
The Mobo is not a problem
ps( the 965 im thinking of buying is 125 W :)  )
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December 18, 2009 7:56:59 PM

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Were trying to tell you there's no reason to pay the xtra for the 965 over the 955. The difference is 200mhz, but they both overclock to the same speed.


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Yes i know this, the 200MHz aren't a reason for pay more, BUT if he want the 965, he doesn't go change her mind.
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December 19, 2009 3:23:58 AM

stay away from i5 till they have the overclocking socket problems settled or unless you are willing to dish out extra for a quality mobo.
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December 19, 2009 4:02:38 AM

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He doesn't NEED a super high priced mobo. The price difference is around 50 dollars for an AM3/965 setup compared to an I5 750/1156 Setup.


I am referring to foxconn sockets that will burn out his chip since the OP specifically said he wants to OC to the maximum potential. It is not the difference between a low 775 mobo and the striker 2 - it is the difference between running stock and not running at all after a week.
December 19, 2009 6:13:43 AM

Were trying to tell you there's no reason to pay the xtra for the 965 over the 955. The difference is 200mhz, but they both overclock to the same speed.

They have a 5 euros difference in price since the 965 is on a promotion , so i won´t mind paying 5 euros for and additional 200 mhz

The price difference is around 50 dollars for an AM3/965 setup compared to an I5 750/1156 Setup.

Here in Portugal(where i live) i will have to pay an additional 80 euros for an i5 config , with a gigabyte P55 socket 1156 motherboard , i mentioned the prices of the hardware discussed in this topic in my country right in the beggining
December 19, 2009 12:12:34 PM

well i have found a gret crossfire MOBO for a lower price than the socket am3 ones so im going for an i5 system
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=2UYSq8dAHOj0k84O
P7P55 LX- mobo
HD 4890 - Grafics card
PSU - 600 OCZ stealthXStream
Intel I5
Then i´m going to add in another hd 4890 later
I just have 2 questions
1- is the system compatible
2- The mobo supports Quad gpu crossfire X tecnology , does that mean i can hook up only hd 4890 together ? Do i need special connectors for that( a link cable or something...)
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December 19, 2009 2:00:21 PM

quad gpu means 4x4890 you do realise that?
but a 4890 will crossfire with a 4870/4890
December 19, 2009 3:02:37 PM

-.-
It could and probably is until you 4 cpus since the motherboard has 4 slots
It would be stupid for it to have 4 slots and only let you CF with those 4
I think you can CF with 2,3,4 grafics Card , that makes more sense...
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December 19, 2009 6:29:37 PM

You'll need a Crossfire Bridge to connect both cards together, You'll probably get one with your 4890 or With your motherboard.
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