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Hi, I want to be able to play some games on my pc but with my current setup every game looks like a slideshow. I found a 9800gtx+ for a very good price (about 130$) and I was wondering if this card will last for the next few years or will new games be too much for it to handle, should I invest more money in more powerful cards? I am on a budget so is there a good card you guys can suggest for under 150$? or do I need more money, I like games like nfs shift/pro street, gta iv, bioshock and other racing/shooting games.
current monitor 17inch 1280 x 1024
next monitor 24inch 1920 x 1080

The card will be used on a core i5 system with 4gb of DDR3
I am more familiar with nvidia cards so can someone plz explain the ati naming system to me,
if 57XX low end and 58XX the high end which models can compare to similarly performing nvidia cards , 5870, 5850, 5730 etc.

THANKS.

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If your budget is 150 then theres a few cards for that range that i would recommend.
I don't know if you like Nvidia or ATI I don't care personally. SO I'll recommend one for both.

 

Nvidia- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130469
ATI- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102858

 

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Message edited by WACThriller93 on 10-15-2009 at 04:52:21 AM
Reply to WACThriller93

Too old? I don't think its too old per se, but I'm not sure $130 is a compelling price for that card. You can get a nice HD4850 for $100 plus rebate, or an HD 4870 in the $130 raNGE. Or as you say, the 5750 at $130 would be more compelling with newer features and HD4870 class performance.

The 9800GTX+ is an 8800gt thats overclocked and tweaked. I would say it is slower than an HD4870 in that price range. But if you really want to make a caomparison, why not head over to the "Best video cards for the money" and look at the chart to see where they all fit?

Reply to buzznut

I would go with a newer architecture video card others have suggested already. They run cooler and give you a touch of the newest technology and usually use less power depending on the card.

If you were getting the 9800GTX for under 100 bucks I would probably say go for it...

------------------------------ EVGA 780i mobo | EVGA GTX 275 | Q9550 OC @ 3.6Ghz | 8Ghz 1066Mhz Corsair Memory | Corsair 1000 watt PSU | Coolermaster Stacker CM830 Case | Ultra TEC CPU Cooler | Vista Ultimate 64

 

Reply to englandr753

the 9800gtx at that price is completely pointless, simply put there are better ATI's for cheaper. The 4870 walks all over it for the same price too.

------------------------------ AMD to make $1.5bn profit Q4, *gauranteed*
Reply to jennyh

9800GTX/GTX+ at $130 is NOT a good price. The GTS250 is the same card (with a die shrink and lower power consumption) and sells for around $100.

9800GTXs sell for about $80-90 on ebay.


You should get a 4850 (equal performance) for about $100, or get a 4870 (better performance, equal to a GTX260) for about $140

Reply to Bluescreendeath

WACThriller93 wrote :

If your budget is 150 then theres a few cards for that range that i would recommend.
I don't know if you like Nvidia or ATI I don't care personally. SO I'll recommend one for both.

Nvidia- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130469
ATI- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102858


HD5770 out of the two for the price listed!

Reply to andy5174

I would say get HD 4870.
That will be the best for your budget.
It is faster than 4850 and can be tweaked furthur...

It is slightly faster than 5770 with some price difference.

Reply to shubham1401

shubham1401 wrote :

I would say get HD 4870.
That will be the best for your budget.
It is faster than 4850 and can be tweaked furthur...

It is slightly faster than 5770 with some price difference.



It is slightly faster than 5770 with some price difference at the moment. In addition, the difference is within 5fps.

Hence, I believe that HD5770 will surpass the HD4870 when its driver mature and DX11 games released! Furthermore, the HD5xxx's performance scaling in CF is amazing according to the test result in one of the recent THG article!

I don't see any reason in going with the HD4870 instead with the price in the U.S..

Get HD4870 ONLY if you are at a location where the price of HD5770 is similar to that of the HD4890(e.g. Australia & NZ) and don't consider CF at all.
Keep waiting until the price of HD5770 drop to that of the HD4870 if you are in NZ and considering CF in the future!
Get HD4890 instead if you are in NZ, willing to pay for the HD5770 price HERE and want to purchase your new card now without considering CF.

Reply to andy5174

You say your next monitor will be a 24". If you plan on making that upgrade in the next few months, then I wouldn't buy anything less powerful than a GTX 260. BTW, the GTX 260 overclocks well to nearly the same as a GTX 275.

Reply to HundredIslandsBoy

Bluescreendeath wrote :

9800GTX/GTX+ at $130 is NOT a good price. The GTS250 is the same card (with a die shrink and lower power consumption) and sells for around $100.



Wrong.

GTX = 65nm

GTX+ = 55nm

GTS 250 = 9800GTX+

It's true it is cheaper... silly Nvidia.

andy5174 wrote :

It is slightly faster than 5770 with some price difference at the moment. In addition, the difference is within 5fps.

Hence, I believe that HD5770 will surpass the HD4870 when its driver mature and DX11 games released! Furthermore, the HD5xxx's performance scaling in CF is amazing according to the test result in one of the recent THG article!

I don't see any reason in going with the HD4870 instead with the price in the U.S..

Get HD4870 ONLY if you are at a location where the price of HD5770 is similar to that of the HD4890(e.g. Australia & NZ) and don't consider CF at all.
Keep waiting until the price of HD5770 drop to that of the HD4870 if you are in NZ and considering CF in the future!
Get HD4890 instead if you are in NZ, willing to pay for the HD5770 price HERE and want to purchase your new card now without considering CF.



Well performance is about the same, but Dx11 is the golden nugget here.

So what if the HD 4870 is slightly better value now?

The HD 5770 is more future proof with Dx11.

Reply to amdfangirl

Thanks for the replies, I have one more question, is there any difference in performance if I am running a game on a 17inch monitor vs a 19inch monitor that has the SAME resolution?
Based on the replies I decided to go with ati 5770, I like the built in HDMI and dx11 but now I have to replace the PSU as well, currently have coolermaster 500W with 2 12v rails @18a each, according to newegg 5770 needs 450 minnimum so would I be pushing the psu especially with a core i5 with msi p55 gd65 system? (2.66ghz)

Also, I heard that the new 5XXX from ati are pretty long, will I have problems installing it in cooler master storm scout case?
Thanks

Reply to alex14469

The game run the same on a 17 or 19".
It will obviously look better on a bigger screen.

Your case can take the card as well as your PSU...

Reply to shubham1401

It has to do with the resolution and the quality if the monitor.

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

Wrong.
GTX = 65nm
GTX+ = 55nm
GTS 250 = 9800GTX+
It's true it is cheaper... silly Nvidia.



Yeh that's what I said...I guess it wasn't clear. 9800GTX+s and GTS250s are both 55nm. GTS250 uses even less power than the GTX+ version and most models need only 1 power connector.

Reply to Bluescreendeath

I did think about gts250 before this but from what I seen on youtube people said that gts250 overclocked is still worse then 9800gtx+

BTW, Im not currently using it but I have a Geforce 9400GT 1gb (PCI standard)

if I ever get an nvidia card is it possible to use 9400gt for physx or is pcie card required?

Reply to alex14469

ur psu is good enough, no need to replace it.

 

i dont know much about physx, but i THINK pcie is required

 

&& i commend you for trying an ati card. conformity is disgusting, especially when people refuse to try things that are better for them

 

*edit*

 

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=100524281

 

since your going for an ati card that doesn't have physx support, you can probably stick with the 9400gt for physx. you might need to mess with the drivers because nvidia cut physx support for ati cards recently.. they obviously feel VERY threatened by the new ati cards

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Message edited by eklipz330 on 10-16-2009 at 02:29:10 AM
Reply to eklipz330

eklipz330 wrote :

ur psu is good enough, no need to replace it.

i dont know much about physx, but i THINK pcie is required

&& i commend you for trying an ati card. conformity is disgusting, especially when people refuse to try things that are better for them

*edit*

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=100524281

since your going for an ati card that doesn't have physx support, you can probably stick with the 9400gt for physx. you might need to mess with the drivers because nvidia cut physx support for ati cards recently.. they obviously feel VERY threatened by the new ati cards


Agree!

You don't have to replace your PSU unless it is a cheap crap! The 500Watt 80+ PSU from famous brand, such as, Corsair, Cooler Master, Thermaltake, Antec, OCZ...etc, will be fine! I personally prefer the "Corsair" though.

Reply to andy5174

well the psu that I have is cooler master 500w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817171031

The reason I asked is because I heard that the psu that I have is not very good quality

also, I never take sides ati or nvidia, I will go for whatever offers best performance for the money

currently i am using a very very old radeon 9250, I would use 9400gt but the irq conflict wont let me :( but it doesnt matter when I finish the new pc

Reply to alex14469

alex14469 wrote :

well the psu that I have is cooler master 500w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817171031

The reason I asked is because I heard that the psu that I have is not very good quality

also, I never take sides ati or nvidia, I will go for whatever offers best performance for the money

currently i am using a very very old radeon 9250, I would use 9400gt but the irq conflict wont let me :( but it doesnt matter when I finish the new pc



Yes, this one is not good as it's 70+ instead of 80+.

Reply to andy5174



If the Sempron 140 was your CPU, it'd be ever lower.

Those estimates are worst case-scenario to avoid getting sued.

Like if your CPU was a Phenom 9950 or something.

Reply to amdfangirl

Either way I dont want to go for the minimum, just in case.

My current pc had a 230W (YES, a 230W psu)
DELL
p4 2.8ghz
2gb of ram
160gb sata 7200rpm
radeon 9250
optical drive

was this even safe??? I am never buying a dell again, it ran for 4 years and all that time I didnt even care that my psu got so hot that I could barely touch it untill I realized its time to upgrade before that thing catches fire or something thats why now im using the 500w, i just dont want it to be the same thing on a new pc

if its not safe to run the new pc on 500w then ill get a better psu first and gpu when i get more money

Reply to alex14469

Here's the question.

Does that Dell even have a PCI-Express slot?

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

If the Sempron 140 was your CPU, it'd be ever lower.

Those estimates are worst case-scenario to avoid getting sued.

Like if your CPU was a Phenom 9950 or something.


Agree.

Reply to andy5174

I get away with running a 9800GX2 on a 380W PSU...

Still stable as hell... It's what PSU marketing brainwashes us to think.

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

I get away with running a 9800GX2 on a 380W PSU...

Still stable as hell... It's what PSU marketing brainwashes us to think.


9800GX2 on 380W PSU?! Are you serious?

It might be that you never play games that would utilize the full potential of that card.

Reply to andy5174

I use an e4300 overclocked to 3.4Ghz, so no, I don't think so.

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

I use an e4300 overclocked to 3.4Ghz, so no, I don't think so.


E4300...... I believe that your GFX's potential is hugely bottle necked by your CPU.

Reply to andy5174

I have the following on a 450 watt psu:

Q9550 (stock clock but about to test OC ;) )
EVGA 730i mobo
4G Corsair ram
1- blu ray drive
2- dvd drives
1- seagate 500g (boot drive)
4- 1.5tb hard drives
7- 120mm fans
1- EVGA 8800GTX ACS3 video card

Runs stable and 3dmark06 score is 15,500 avg. I was leary at 1st and added a little at a time and then finally the video card. You have to admit thats a lot of hardware for a 450 watter but its a Corsair psu. Most other brands I wouldn't consider trying that...

------------------------------ EVGA 780i mobo | EVGA GTX 275 | Q9550 OC @ 3.6Ghz | 8Ghz 1066Mhz Corsair Memory | Corsair 1000 watt PSU | Coolermaster Stacker CM830 Case | Ultra TEC CPU Cooler | Vista Ultimate 64

 

Reply to englandr753

englandr753 wrote :

I have the following on a 450 watt psu:

Q9550 (stock clock but about to test OC ;) )
EVGA 730i mobo
4G Corsair ram
1- blu ray drive
2- dvd drives
1- seagate 500g (boot drive)
4- 1.5tb hard drives
7- 120mm fans
1- EVGA 8800GTX ACS3 video card

Runs stable and 3dmark06 score is 15,500 avg. I was leary at 1st and added a little at a time and then finally the video card. You have to admit thats a lot of hardware for a 450 watter but its a Corsair psu. Most other brands I wouldn't consider trying that...


Agree.

However, he is with the 9800GX2 which requires at least 580W according to nVidia's website. Even though it is overrated by nVidia, a 380W is definitely a pain.

Reply to andy5174

at 380W the load on the PSU is very close to 100%...

I reckon if I add one more fan... kaboom!

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

at 380W the load on the PSU is very close to 100%...

I reckon if I add one more fan... kaboom!


You are absolutely asking for trouble with 380W.

Why would you get a 380W instead of a decent 550W+ PSU if you are rich enough to get a 9800GX2

Reply to andy5174

Well, it was a temporary thing. You see, my boyfriend's brother had a 9800GX2 he didn't want (gonna sell cause he was upgrading to HD 4890 CF). Until it was sold, he lent it to my boyfriend so I could use it for folding@home (he bought the HD 4890s) and game at the same time.

It worked for 1 month, 24/7 100% load until it got sold. Now, I just use the G31 IGP. All I need really.

Reply to amdfangirl

This reminds me when I ran a 8800gtx off a vintage Enermax noisetaker that was only 475w and wasn't even atx 2.0 compliant.

Reply to nforce4max

amdfangirl wrote :

Here's the question.

Does that Dell even have a PCI-Express slot?


yes, pci express x1
not x16 though

Reply to alex14469

Not really worth it.

Data can't travel fast enough through such a connection.

Reply to amdfangirl

yes thats the problem with this pc, pci or pcie x1 are not nearly fast enough for these flashy new games and a 2.8ghz pentium 4 (that cant be overclocked cause its a dell pc) is not nearly good enough.

custom build is the best way to go for me.

Reply to alex14469

The pci-e 1x is the worst bottle neck for even the lowest end gpus made in the last half decade. If you ever get the chance to ditch the dell hell do so you wont look back. :)

Reply to nforce4max
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