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Putting an end to FERMI hopes

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October 15, 2009 7:42:34 AM

http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/fermi_white_papers/NV...

If anybody finds only ONE word that has a SLIGHT reference to gaming performances, then please speak up.
Sorry nvidia boys, your company dropped you dead. =/
Yup, life sure is sad...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3272/nvidiafail.jpg

Yeah I suck at photo shopping SO WHAT?

Anyway fail...How bout you drop the hope and just buy that HD5870 your craving for deep inside?
October 15, 2009 7:45:22 AM

Went to do a quick chek on the nvidia part of this forum.
Funny how NOBODY talks about FERMI, while on this forum, it's spammed everywhere about the non-existent gaming performances of this so called "Super GPU"
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 7:48:26 AM

This thread is pointless.
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October 15, 2009 7:50:55 AM

Of course it is when we all (excluding fanboys.) know that FERMI should have been code-named FailMI.
But yeah, just to make THEM understand (or at least try....)
>=)
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 7:56:50 AM

You haven't proved anything though. You linked a whitepaper and are saying that because it doesn't mention games that Fermi sucks at games?
October 15, 2009 7:59:49 AM

No, I never said FERMI sucks at game tho...
But I am saying that it's not the SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME card that all nvidia fans are talking about, such as playing crysis on 1680x1200 with 71 FPS.
How can it be THIS great if nVidia doesnt even consider it a Gaming GPU, and don't mention gaming a single time in this whitepaper?

Now nvidia fan will probably say that they are keeping the charts secret...wich would be stupid because until this card is released, and with all the forums over the net, Nvidia fanboys may ditch this company fast enough for the very appealing HD 5800 cypress series.
October 15, 2009 8:04:26 AM

bboynatural said:
Of course it is when we all (excluding fanboys.) know that FERMI should have been code-named FailMI.
But yeah, just to make THEM understand (or at least try....)
>=)


Why can't posters just be a wee bit patient. Nvidia has always played its cards close to their vest. Personally, I care not one way or the other, but why try to stir up a flame war when no one knows what this platform will really bring to the table?
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 8:09:03 AM

NVIDIA are marketing this for HPC and general purpose computing, so they will keep focusing on this. They want to push GPGPU as much as possible before Larrabee hits us. Mentioning games takes the focus off HPC a little.
October 15, 2009 8:10:38 AM

This is the sole purpose of forums!

Joke's aside, I can hardly imagine that they would hide it's gaming performance THIS much... I mean the actual computing performances have been leaked out already, they even had a presentation for this.
Now why do they never mention gaming? Not a single time, not ONE did I ever saw a FERMI gaming related "demo" or whatsoever.
Well when this product is under Products>High performance computing on nvidia's website, and not under GeForce like the rest of all the nvidia's till now...You should really start asking questions.

The ACTUAL company rather place this card in computing....I don't know what are nvidia fanboys waiting over...

And quite frankly, the problem with this card will be it's obsolete pricing.
Cmon, a GPU capable of running 8x faster then any CPU.
Now the BEST Cpu is sold at 1000$.
Now, not only does this beast run 8 times faster, but it also has a graphic support.
Wow, how much will this be??? The actual production price should be around the 800$.....
Dunno for you, but it looks like nvidia plainly abandoned the high performance/mid range gaming market (FOR NOW THAT IS.)
They may intend to create a niche in the supercomputer market, and come bak, but for now, I see only COMPUTING, no actual gaming.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 8:13:45 AM

You're just speculating though. It will not sell at $800 except to the most rabid of fanboys and you know that.
October 15, 2009 8:16:16 AM

bboynatural said:
http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/fermi_white_papers/NV...

If anybody finds only ONE word that has a SLIGHT reference to gaming performances, then please speak up.
Sorry nvidia boys, your company dropped you dead. =/
Yup, life sure is sad...


It amazes me the amount of posters who say they are waiting fro Fermi to come out because they expect it to beat the HD5870 yet they are not aware of the facts or don't wish to read the facts because they don't want it to be true as Nvidia has been marketing this chip as a GPGPU since it was first announced. However you rant about 'Nvidia fail' etc doesn't give you any credibility, what your saying is true and quite frankly needed to be said but you could have worded it a lot better.
October 15, 2009 8:18:46 AM

Of course I know that, but that's the point, that this card is simply NOT aimed at us, not even the most rabid of fanboys.
They did put the 8800 ULTRA at 800$ right?
Well as far as I can imagine, this is how the price will look like.
Look at page 9 and 16 of the whitepaper.

The FERMI architecture is double the amount of the GT200 series.
It has double the amount of CUDA cores.
It support ECC.
Gigathread technology
Integrated C++ support.

Nvidia won't make any price, the price will make itself.
It cost a sh!tload to produce this card, with such an amazing technology.
It's easy to see, this card is simply not aimed at us, but rather at the higher corporation like microsoft for example, that can afford MANY of these if it really is 8x faster then any CPU.
With all the corporation adopting FERMI, nvidia would have made enough money, and created some kind of niche, and will probably come back to the gamer market with a REAL amazing card this time (and maybe some lower prices since they will have made money..)

Of course, this is pure speculation, but this is the most logical one i think..?
October 15, 2009 8:20:17 AM

JeanLuc said:
It amazes me the amount of posters who say they are waiting fro Fermi to come out because they expect it to beat the HD5870 yet they are not aware of the facts or don't wish to read the facts because they don't want it to be true as Nvidia has been marketing this chip as a GPGPU since it was first announced. However you rant about 'Nvidia fail' etc doesn't give you any credibility, what your saying is true and quite frankly needed to be said but you could have worded it a lot better.


True that mybad...
It's just that I had some kind of extreme arguing with a massive nvidia fanboy on this forum a few hours ago, and it left me with some kind of salty taste..I guess being mean over nvidia fanboys was a bit over the edge..
But seriously, This thread will be flammed with nonsens as soon as "they" wake up..
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 8:30:31 AM

Somebody tie John to a chair or this will get violent :D 
Anonymous
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a b 4 Gaming
October 15, 2009 8:47:19 AM

he is 17 i can understand him
October 15, 2009 9:08:36 AM

randomizer said:
This thread is pointless.



I was actually wondering why you hadn't just closed it...



But amid the rubbish, the OP does make a worthwhile point...

If you were in charge of Nvidia, and you had a GPU capable of destroying a 5870... wouldn't you not be moving heaven and earth to produce just 1 benchmark that shows this?

After all, the longer Nvidia stay silent, the more people will decide to get a 5870 or 5850 now, rather than wait on Fermi.



It is in Nvidia's favour to get good news out the door as early as possible, yet the silence is deafening - which is not like Nvidia.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 9:18:10 AM

Amiga500 said:
I was actually wondering why you hadn't just closed it...

Because I'm not a nazi and closing every thread that I think is pointless (unless it is clearly pointless, like the 3-word posts that sometimes pop up) is hardly impartial or allowing for free speech. Having said that, I will still call it pointless if I think it is :p 
October 15, 2009 9:23:27 AM

Quote:
he is 17 i can understand him


^+9000

Cmon, referring to my age!!
Low blow right here.

Funny how a 17 years old sometimes make more sense then a wtvOld (talking about other threads of course)
But yeah, you will forgive me the msn talking, and the lame comments I sometimes post :D 
RIIIGHHHTTT??? <33
October 15, 2009 10:34:29 AM

randomizer said:
Because I'm not a nazi and closing every thread that I think is pointless (unless it is clearly pointless, like the 3-word posts that sometimes pop up) is hardly impartial or allowing for free speech. Having said that, I will still call it pointless if I think it is :p 



not a nazi, now thats what i call as being in denial,or where you being sarcastic?
October 15, 2009 10:43:35 AM

Amiga500 said:
I was actually wondering why you hadn't just closed it...



But amid the rubbish, the OP does make a worthwhile point...

If you were in charge of Nvidia, and you had a GPU capable of destroying a 5870... wouldn't you not be moving heaven and earth to produce just 1 benchmark that shows this?

After all, the longer Nvidia stay silent, the more people will decide to get a 5870 or 5850 now, rather than wait on Fermi.



It is in Nvidia's favour to get good news out the door as early as possible, yet the silence is deafening - which is not like Nvidia.



yes it is logical for nvidia to let slip some benchmarks @ this time to stem the flow of users switching to ATI, and makes me think they've not got a working card yet, but it is nvidia and logic and nvidia dont go together
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 11:02:31 AM

Fermi, Fermi, Fermi ....
Come on. Are we going to do this for another six months or so? Everybody buy a 58xx or 57xx and be done with it. Any frame above 60-70 will not be noticed and will not make your noob @sses better at any game.
October 15, 2009 12:41:05 PM

FERMIntation.....
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 12:52:19 PM

Lol.

OP does have a point, Nvidia seem almost embarrassed by their gaming past dont they? Could that be because they need to be seen as all grown-up and non geeky to their real target market? They sure aren't forthcoming with information on how well it will game, and talking down dx11 just makes all of us think they haven't even tried.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 1:03:22 PM

There's a point in there, but it's obscured by the flame-baiting. :pfff: 

Far better way to point it out would be to address points instead of BS like "your company dropped you dead. =/ "

Heck there's enough good material out there, and all this thread does is equally pointlessly pointing to the nV Whitepaper. The lack of evidence for/against anything to do with gaming. Could be awesome at gaming, could be worse than the GTX280, but this thread certainly doesn't provide any more detail on the matter other than to post the whitepaper that was posted and criticized long ago (like where is the mention about texture handling, tessellation handling, etc).

As Carl Sagan said: “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
October 15, 2009 1:56:44 PM

Well it's not I lack evidence...
It's just that nvidia didnt release any.
:D  WAHAHA!

I made my own logical speculation, and im pretty sure that's the actual situation...
But yea, I have no real proofs since none is out yet.
Only proof is that whitepaper proving that FERMI wasnt even made for gaming till now.
It might have a potential, but it's purpose isnt gaming. I don't think it's worth arguing over this..
October 15, 2009 2:48:27 PM

This thread wasn't entirely pointless. Having done no prior research on the FERMI platform but seeing that it has native C++ support suddenly interests me as a software developer. Not that I have near enough money for it, nor the skills to take advantage of such amazing hardware, but maybe I can get the University to purchase one for "research"...?
October 15, 2009 2:55:20 PM

Quote:
If anybody finds only ONE word that has a SLIGHT reference to gaming performances, then please speak up.
Sorry nvidia boys, your company dropped you dead. =/


Find me a white paper that has any reference "gaming performance" as you speak.

I think the benchmarks are there for that.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 6:50:45 PM

yea, it is pointless.... it's just another ATI fanboy complaining about Nvidia..... Once the 3XX series is released THEN you can talk smack, until then there is no point in arguing over what, when, where.....
a c 173 U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 7:15:20 PM

Nvidia is going through what 3DFX had gone through in 1999 and early 2000 but won't be entirely wiped out while Intel will look like crap but will eventually get better with it's gpu card. AMD will eventually become profitable through it's graphics department. 2004~2008 was Nvidia's golden era and it's SLI and cuda will be regarded as it's lasting achievements.
October 15, 2009 7:21:29 PM

i wouldn't say cuda will be regarded as lasting achievements from nvidia with DX compute out in win7
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 8:13:47 PM

Chill out Ati fanboy. When you have proper backing to your stupidity then come back.
October 15, 2009 8:51:57 PM

OvrClkr said:
yea, it is pointless.... it's just another ATI fanboy complaining about Nvidia..... Once the 3XX series is released THEN you can talk smack, until then there is no point in arguing over what, when, where.....


I wonder where the pointless is?

Did I claim that this was the real deal? Or maybe I HAVE to write ONLY facts?? I can't speculate or say what I think is happening maybe? Thats the whole point of a Forum don't you think so? or else this would have been writing in the news.

So no, theres nothing pointless, it's what Im thinking, You can discuss about it and what you think about it, but you can't really say it's pointless, because the whole forum here would be pointless also.

Here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272065-33-gamers-only...

Only facts, Real hard facts, and still some people found this thread "pointless".
As you can see, there is no way to be perfect around here, no matter what you do, there will always be people complaining.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 9:06:40 PM

The reason you started the thread is due to Nvidia not releasing any specs or benchmarks for their next-gen cards.

So you stated :Sorry nvidia boys, your company dropped you dead. =/
Yup, life sure is sad... <--- funny

So what is your point? Wait till the cards are released and THEN you can brag, complain, flame or just drool cause to tell ya the truth, once those cards come out many of the ATI fanboys will go back into their old threads and start deleting their posts... There are too many peeps here on toms talking smack about a GPU that has yet to be released, so it makes no sense to assume something when you have no idea what to expect.....

a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 9:12:20 PM

Just read your title "Putting an end to FERMI hopes"
Many uneducated members will read your BS post and might actually believe it. Now if you had sources to back this up sure I have no problem people knowing the truth. If your going to post things without any credibility then write in bold letters. (IN MY OPINION)
October 15, 2009 9:13:19 PM

But the thing is I AM SPECULATING.
How many times did I post it on the thread? read again youl see!

I can't speculate? That was just my personal "answer" to that dude that was been b1tching at AMD because the HD5770 is the same price as HD4870 and kept saying that GTX300 will rule them all. All but a joke. Take it easy!
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 9:27:41 PM

Look, I am not here to put anyone down, or disrespect anyone....

Back when the 5XXX series was yet to be released you hade many peeps awaiting to see the cards in action.... Basically there was no negativity towards them since we had a ton of benches, specs and many websites with legit reviews. Now my point is, why degrade a brand just cause they have not shown us what we want to see? Nvidia can do WTF they want to do with their GPU's, they are not entitled to show us anything if they do not want to. There is no point in posting something that is not 100% true, once we have a legit source that can be confirmed THEN we can express how we feel about the brand, until then there is no point for such an argument.....
Anonymous
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a b 4 Gaming
October 15, 2009 9:59:26 PM

i think there is many people who dont believe that fermi even exist so any disscusion is pointless...when real benchmarks appears what then they will say...?.. its fake
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2009 11:47:17 PM

I guess most will be saying something like 'not bad, pity it's 6 months too late'.
October 15, 2009 11:58:32 PM

Exactly what I was thinking and not saying.

Even a mere 10FPS or 20 better over the HD5870 will be crushed by the HD5900.
Unless we see an INCREDIBLE 40fps advantage that would probably be one of the biggest advantage in history of GPU gaming, Fermi is just what is already here, and that nvidia fanboys refuse to buy by pure fanboyism. :D 
October 16, 2009 12:59:44 AM

invisik said:
Chill out Ati fanboy. When you have proper backing to your stupidity then come back.



i come with facs and you resort to name calling, noob
October 16, 2009 1:07:19 AM

look at the design of fermi, these guys realise that the gaming market where you can get away with selling two chips on the same board for maybe $700 for the water cooled version is not as important as the segment where
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

that nonsense is ok for a single chip, and the real customers they are targeting with fermi arent really interested in 3d mark vantage scores or how well it plays crysis at 2560x1600.
October 16, 2009 1:10:17 AM

and when fermi is released amd can finally stop lying about the 59xx and admit that it actually has 400 more stream processors up its sleeve for 2000spus, one can only dream.
October 16, 2009 1:25:46 AM

Seriously people still can't understand that:
It's not that FailMI won't be good in gaming,
it's just ISNT MADE FOR GAMING.

NEVER.
they NEVER. mentioned A SINGLE TIME. GAMING.
In no interview, No press release, NO. Where.
MAYBE they are making a GTX300 serie that WILL be made for gaming

BUT it's NOT the FERMI every nvidia fanboy is proud off.
It will be part of the GTX300, probably a reduced version of Fermi with less cuda cores,no ecc and things like that, But the thing is still that, You can't brag about FERMI since you will NEVER use it.
Period.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2009 1:27:43 AM

xaira said:
look at the design of fermi, these guys realise that the gaming market...

...that nonsense is ok for a single chip, and the real customers they are targeting with fermi arent really interested in 3d mark vantage scores or how well it plays crysis at 2560x1600.


You also realize that the entire Workstation market accounts for about 2-3% of the GPU market $s (usually much less than half of the revenue compared to that from those high-end cards, let alone the midstream), which would be fine if nVidia were a small or start-up company that could easily survive and thrive on that niche, but nV's a giant entity that needs far more revenue to keep funtioning.

Even if the entire TESLA and Quadro #s tripled or quadrupled, they would still be barely making as much as the GTX280 and HD4870 cards (now 5870), and still only about 20-25% of the mid-range.

So it's all well and good that Fermi is targetting another segment other than the Bungholiomark and Gaming segment, but they better get some derivatives for that segment that don't require all the Fermi bells and whistles or else they're going to have problems remaining what people think of nV to be.

October 16, 2009 1:31:18 AM

Thats exactly what I speculated.
This super special awesome fermi is just to create a niche from the possible threat of larrabee in the HPC market.
They probably have another card from the GTX300 serie that will match the current HD5800 serie.

But If they were able to provide us with something NEW instead of what's ALREADY here, they wouldv started braggin about it AGES ago. And I still see no sign of possible gaming improvement. Nowhere.
And Nvidia boys still find the courage to troll about possible leaked performances...
I must give them +9000 for that.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2009 1:39:39 AM

Yeah, I wonder if (hope) they will cut some of the features like ECC ram and others that are computing only features, otherwise the price on the gaming equivalent will be astronomical.
October 16, 2009 1:48:05 AM

for all that fermi is supposed to be i cant see it reaching the res that the 5870 can with eye fidelity, just another big chip eating away @ nvidia's revenue
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2009 1:49:21 AM

Remember though, nV DID mention gaming, at their GPU Technology Conference, specifically mentioning the hardware and features, saying things like this during the shading demo: 'these technologies are.. ..you will be seeing them come in a game near you'.
October 16, 2009 2:20:45 AM

Nvidia Exec: "Intel is going to take some of our market share, what should we do?
Consultant: "Nintendo?"
Nvidia Exec: "Genius!"

And now Nvidia makes tons of money off what is sure to be a great business deal with Nintendo.

Relax everyone, Nvidia just wants to protect itself in case larrabee takes over the low-mid end of the market.

Also, think about how few people buy every new gen of high end GFX cards. I'm sure they looked at the numbers and realized they could probably make just as much over the long-term putting a short term focus on Fermi. I know most of my friends who did build pc's (even at a top 25 tech based uni ony 1/20 or so did) only upgraded every 2-3 years unless something amazing was released. Heck, I'm still running on a couple 8800gts from a couple years ago doing fine.

The geforce cards will come, just give it time.
October 16, 2009 2:37:20 AM

:fou: 
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