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omg. just backspaced and have to re type the whole thread lol.
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next Week BUDGET RANGE: $1950 New Zealand Dollars
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, movies
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.pricespy.co.nz COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: New Zealand
PARTS PREFERENCES: Will be using Coolermaster 922 HAF case and the ATI radeon HD 5870 hopefully. otherwise no preferences.
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe if i learn how SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes - in the future
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1366 x 768 on my current LG 32" tv (model 32LG30R) and buying one of these and hopefully using Eyefinity at Xmas
http://www.pcforce.co.nz/index.php [...] cts_id=141
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Wouldn't mind it being upgradeable CPU wise, please no fan-boy-ism, sorry for the brief post im tired after retyping the whole thing and if any additional information is needed, fire away!
Also i've been looking at this - ram http://www.nzoczone.com/product_in [...] s_id=43501 - I quite like it
Remember, $1950 max including the gpu and case i posted, no going over, that's an absolute maximum.
Thanks all and again i apologise for the boring thread my first was better 
Great find on that bundle deal man! thanks!
I think that was the motherboard a guy on the other posts was worrying about because his 5870 covered his SATA ports and he had to use right angled SATA connectors but he was thinking this would too.
As for the 5870 it's supposed to be $559 over here and the 5850 is already dropping back down to it's rrp of $420 approx over here so i priced the 5870 at $700 by the time i bought it.
As for the PSU (you doubled up your links there can't see the PSU one) i put this as the PSU:
Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 650W PSU - $135
and this as the hard drive temporarily (will buy either a SSD or a velociraptor at Christmas time alongside a second 5870 :
Western Digital Caviar Blue 640GB 16MB 7200rpm SATA hard drive - $105
So the bundle + shipping + the GPU, Case, PSU and DVDRW + shipping comes out at.... drum roll please... $1960 approx.
Right, that's a little over budget.
Can anyone suggest a similar AMD build because remember i'm gaming not doing photo-shopping, folding@home etc - or tweak this build a bit. would it be worth going I7 and 5850 instead? i think that will come out cheaper but I will probably lose gaming performance which i don't want. Is it possible to have an AMD build with future upgrade capabilities to their new supposed hexacore coming out whenever?
Thanks all and thanks Gulli, especially for finding that bundle deal 
| jaredofnz wrote : Great find on that bundle deal man! thanks! Can anyone suggest a similar AMD build because remember i'm gaming not doing photo-shopping, folding@home etc - or tweak this build a bit. would it be worth going I7 and 5850 instead? i think that will come out cheaper but I will probably lose gaming performance which i don't want. Is it possible to have an AMD build with future upgrade capabilities to their new supposed hexacore coming out whenever? Thanks all and thanks Gulli, especially for finding that bundle deal |
i5 + HD 5870 is better than i7 + HD 5850 when it comes to gaming, and aside form the gaming aspect the i5 is still a better CPU than any AMD CPU or Core 2 Quad currently in existence and it's really not that far behind i7.
That Coolermaster PSU is crap, it's not 80Plus certified and doesn't even state a max combined wattage on the 12V rails, the "Extreme Power Plus" series is entry level, when you're buying a cheap Core 2 Duo rig with a HD 4650 or something like that, an Extreme Power Plus 390W is a sweet deal, but that's about it.
I had this PSU in mind http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7462 $170, it's very reliable and I can guarantee you that it will power your rig for many years to come (though you'll have to get a new PSU if you get a second 5870, but its the best $170 can buy you.)
Message edited by Gulli on 10-02-2009 at 05:37:14 PM
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Just verifying you know i said 650w right? i think u know im just making sure cause u said 390 with the C2D build. Yeah i've managed to get a combo deal with my local retailer which i'm picking up next week but that PSU puts me over budget a little. Here's what i've got it laid out as at the mo:
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Intel Core I5 bundle deal:
Intel Core i5 750 CPU
+ Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3 Intel P55 LGA1156 Motherboard
+ G.SKILL Ripjaw F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3-1600 Memory
+ Shipping = $744
Cooler Master 922 HAF case - $225 incl shipping
Corsair VX-550 ATX 550W 120mm Power Supply - $180
Sapphire Radeon HD5870 - $720
Western Digital Caviar Blue 640GB 16MB 7200rpm SATA hard drive - $105
Total: $1974
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Any suggestions to get it down a bit?
I've remembered that I do actually have a 1tb IDE external Seagate Hard drive and am planning to get more Hard drives at christmas time so that's something that could possibly be cut down? the hard drive in this build?
Other than that everything is pretty much sorted, if i can get it below $1940 incl shipping and all that jazz then yeah I can start ordering 
Thanks again Gulli,
Jared
| jaredofnz wrote : Just verifying you know i said 650w right? i think u know im just making sure cause u said 390 with the C2D build. Yeah i've managed to get a combo deal with my local retailer which i'm picking up next week but that PSU puts me over budget a little. Here's what i've got it laid out as at the mo:
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What happened to the DVD-RW from my list? If you didn't need it after all, then my list would put you under $1940, right? Believe me, you'll never notice the difference the HAF 922 and the CM690 cases, they're both solid cases with good airflow and fans, but one of them is a lot cheaper than the other.
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Yeah but add $40 to that for shipping (we get charged alot for courier) and shipping on the rest of the products u forgot too I think. Puts it up $10 for the I5 bundle, $8 for the DVDRW, $10 for the PSU and $10 for the Graphics card. We could use my graphics card at $720 from a local store and dock down my hard drive significantly as I don't really need 1 seeing as I have an external and intend to get a couple of 1TBs at christmas so Even a 160gb would do to be honest lol. I know it seems pathetic but if it means getting the case and other parts I want then i guess it's worth it.
So, your list, with the CM 922 case and my graphics card instead (evens itself out with ur selection + shipping from up north) would be:
Intel Core i5 750 CPU
+ Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3 Intel P55 LGA1156 Motherboard
+ G.SKILL Ripjaw F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3-1600 Memory
+ Shipping = $744
Cooler Master 922 HAF case - $225 pickup
Corsair VX-550 ATX 550W 120mm Power Supply - $180 incl shipping
Sapphire Radeon HD5870 - $720 (down from $760) pickup
DVD-RW: http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=8142 $60 incl shipping
Hard Drive: http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7189 $88 incl shipping
Total: $2017. ARGH. lol 
| jaredofnz wrote : Yeah but add $40 to that for shipping (we get charged alot for courier) and shipping on the rest of the products u forgot too I think. Puts it up $10 for the I5 bundle, $8 for the DVDRW, $10 for the PSU and $10 for the Graphics card. We could use my graphics card at $720 from a local store and dock down my hard drive significantly as I don't really need 1 seeing as I have an external and intend to get a couple of 1TBs at christmas so Even a 160gb would do to be honest lol. I know it seems pathetic but if it means getting the case and other parts I want then i guess it's worth it.
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I don't understand, if you order everything at playtech they'll send one big box and you'll only have to pay shipping costs for that one box, not for every item in it, why do you want a courier, don't you have mail in New Zealand?
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Can't do that they're already holding the case for me on my request=/
I guess I have to either get a lil more money from somewhere, sell something that I own or downgrade to a 5850 which is something I really don't want to do at this time 
Sigh.. I knew building a computer would be hard but this is downright stressful 
What do you suggest I do? Cases aside...
Thanks again man,
Jared
Am I right in saying downgrading to a 5850 will severly hinder my gaming performance unless i crossfire them, which I can't do unless.. oo 
Idea
What about saving the money on the 5870 and getting a 16x16 capable motherboard, a 5850 then throwing in a second one when I get more money along with a bigger HDD?
I also saw today that ASUS is jumping into the fray with their voltage tweakable 5850 and 5870. With a little time and effort, you could increase the 5850's performance by 30% or so. The only real drawback is the ASUS cards will only come with a 90 day warranty I think 
Ignore the link down the bottom, for some reason it's not letting me edit any messages lol
HAHA guess what guys. My stupid arse worked it out wrong. Theres $265 to work with for the PSU not HDD, no wonder I was confused!!
What an idiot I am lol 
Nah I just calculated it wrong - we have no coffee, I blame that 
- shaved it off a bit more and got it down to $1653/$1950 so have pretty much $300 to work with
I don't think your original list had a crossfire capable PSU and motherboard did it? I'm probably wrong lol
With $300 i'm sure we can get a PSU and HDD? i'm no good at PSUs needed for crossfire so reckon u can find 1?
| jaredofnz wrote : Nah I just calculated it wrong - we have no coffee, I blame that |
PSU for crossfire (5850 or 5870): http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7465 $240
Get a Seagate, Samsung or Western Digital (WD) Hard drive.
But once again you'll see you can't get under $1950 without giving up Crossfire or the HAF 922, so you'll have to look harder or give one of those things up.
Message edited by Gulli on 10-03-2009 at 04:03:59 AM
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To be perfectly honest I don't actually see a point in forking out the additional $220 and dipping out on a good mobo and psu for the 5870 when I don't think i'll notice a difference in performance and this way I have a stable system and the option to add a second 5850 where I wouldn't have that with the 5870. All i'll have to upgrade in this build is the hard drive whereas the other options require me to buy a new $240 PSU, a second 5870 and a crossfire capable motherboard that isn't 4x which means over $1000 more later on plus if i want a bigger HDD than 250gb it's even more. Wouldn't you agree that this is the better way to go? I mean the human eye allegedly couldn't even the small difference between the two 58xx series cards could it? as far as i know anyway. All I want is to play any game well, be prepared for the future and have plenty of upgrade capabilites as in crossfire.
Thanks heaps for your help Gulli 
really helped me and tought me alot of things, also thanks to the other guys who posted
Cheers guys,
Hope to see u online soon
| jaredofnz wrote : To be perfectly honest I don't actually see a point in forking out the additional $220 and dipping out on a good mobo and psu for the 5870 when I don't think i'll notice a difference in performance and this way I have a stable system and the option to add a second 5850 where I wouldn't have that with the 5870. All i'll have to upgrade in this build is the hard drive whereas the other options require me to buy a new $240 PSU, a second 5870 and a crossfire capable motherboard that isn't 4x which means over $1000 more later on plus if i want a bigger HDD than 250gb it's even more. Wouldn't you agree that this is the better way to go? I mean the human eye allegedly couldn't even the small difference between the two 58xx series cards could it? as far as i know anyway. All I want is to play any game well, be prepared for the future and have plenty of upgrade capabilites as in crossfire.
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It's not actually a $220 difference, because you can have the 5870 with a cheaper motherboard, cheaper PSU and the combo, in fact it costs exactly the same.
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Haha you wouldn't believe it guys, i've got it at $1949.95 - LMAO
Coolermaster 922 HAF case
$224 - $3 for direct Debit
http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspe [...] mID=378362
Sapphire Radeon HD 5850
$507 - $7 for direct Debit
http://www.ascent.co.nz/ProductSpe [...] mID=382097
Asus P7P55D Pro Motherboard, Socket 1156, 4xDIMM DDR3, 3xPCIe-16
,2xPCI, 2xPCIe-1, 14xUSB2, Firewire, Audio, 1xATA, 6xSATA, RAID, ATX
$335 - $5 for direct Debit
http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspe [...] mID=380983
Freight for Ascent: $0 (picking it up)
Total for Ascent: $1052
Corsair TX-750 ATX 750W 140mm Power Supply
$239
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7465
Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
$355
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7931
Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200.10 SATA2-300 NCQ 8MB 7200RPM Hard Drive OEM
$73.07
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=1860
G.SKILL Ripjaw 4GB kit (2GB x 2) DDR3-1333
$165
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=7988
BenQ DW240S Black 24x Dual Layer SATA DVD Rewriter BLACK RETAIL
$59
http://www.playtech.co.nz/product. [...] il&id=8142
Freight for playtech - $7.50
Total for playtech: $897.95
Total: $1949.95 - YAY 
| jaredofnz wrote : Haha you wouldn't believe it guys, i've got it at $1949.95 - LMAO
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Good job, what happened to the courier cost of $40?
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Only applicable if I went for the other case which I couldn't pick up
Btw I took apart my external and I know have a "Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1tb hard drive" SATA. Will that work as an internal by hooking it up using the included SATA cable with my motherboard and a molex power connector from the PSU?
| jaredofnz wrote : Only applicable if I went for the other case which I couldn't pick up |
Probably.
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