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December 20, 2009 11:05:48 AM

I'm planning to build a new PC. Due to budget restraint. Is the stock cooler suffice for the time being? I was thinking of getting the H50 but I need to sacrifice it to get the HD-5870. I'm not going to OC but will run the PC 24/7. Thanks in Advance.

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December 20, 2009 11:32:08 AM

why get the 950/960. save tons of money and get the 920. the stock is meant to handle the cpu, but not really oc it, so you are fine.
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December 20, 2009 11:56:23 AM

ares1214 said:
why get the 950/960. save tons of money and get the 920. the stock is meant to handle the cpu, but not really oc it, so you are fine.


+1

Save the $200 and use it else where.
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December 20, 2009 12:01:47 PM

yea get a ssd with the 300-750 dollars you save and you will get way more performance.
December 20, 2009 12:39:17 PM

Sorry but I'm set with i7 950 or i7 960. i7 920 will be obsolete when i7 930 come out. The other parts are easy to upgrade IMO unlike CPU. And I need more power without OC because I'm going to ue my PC as server/workstation.
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December 20, 2009 12:49:35 PM

what??? the i7 920 will not be obselete! the 960, 950, and 920, and 975 all have the exact same build, so if one of them is obselete(7 years from now) , they all will be obselete. the 930 is just going to be 200 MHz faster and cost 150 more dollars. it might be 32 nm, but nobody know. my 955 gives me more perfromance then i ever need, so i think a 920 will easily be more than enough. atleast go with the 950 if you are going to waste money, it cost 400$ less. getting a 920 with an ssd will easily outperform a 950 with a hdd.
December 20, 2009 1:10:33 PM

Obsolete is not the right word. What I mean is phase out. Once I found that article I will put it here. This will be the same as the i7-940 replaced by i7-950, i7-965 replaced by i7-975, and rumor has it even the i7-950 will be replaced by i7-960 next year. Here in the UK i7-950 is almost the same price as i7-960, actually scan.co.uk has cheaper i7-960 compare to novatech or overclockersUK's i7-950.
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December 20, 2009 1:14:46 PM

who cares if its new model comes out. just because the i7 960 was "phased out" by the 975, does that mean the 960 all the sudden gives bad, or worse performance. phased out is when you can buy a i9 1020 six core for 279.99$, not when you get an extra 300 MHz for an extra 300 dollars, and like i said a 920 with a ssd would beat a 960 with a hdd.
December 20, 2009 2:50:15 PM

They are literally the same processors (i.e. 920/930/950/960) just the later models are bit more efficient and slightly faster, but the i7 is not and never will be for some time the bottle-neck of an program's performance.

atleast wait for the i7-930, if you that desperate to get a new model

I have a i7-920, and clocked it at 2.9Ghz with no extra heat produced, and at that time I save ~250 POUNDS ($350+) buying that than the i7-940! but they are running at approx. the same speed
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December 20, 2009 3:35:21 PM

Heck nearly all the i7's 9xx (as of now) has the same (or nearly the same) overclock speed of like 4.2 - 4.5 ghz. That why no one ever recommend the EE i7 because the the i7 920 can nearly match the same preformance when overclocked to same speed. $300 vs $1,000, i go with the $300 cpu.
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December 20, 2009 3:49:08 PM

At Newegg in America the 960 is sold as a OEM package, NO HSF. That may be why its at a lower price than the 950 you are looking at. IF you buy your cpu that way, you will need a HSF, thermal compound.
December 20, 2009 4:23:55 PM

I don't want to offend anybody.

Here is where I'm coming from. I had a pc that I use for almost how many years now and it's starting to bagger-up. Basically whenever I turn it on It's like saying "I want to retire! Pleeease!" When I first bought that it's like the 920 vs the other chips. So I went for the one in the middle like what I'm doing again. During those days OC is not really an easy option. But then again even if it is I still wouldn't. I guess this is a different time now. It might be a marketing strategy for intel to make more money. But when user OC they adjust the voltage level, they need a good cooler, a good mobo, a good memory , a good psu , etc... (which is like additional cost compare to just get the basics), then they have to test the stability of the system. Probably most of them get it stable but there still a percentage who doesn't, which means they have to do another trial and error or research, hassle...the like . It might give thrill for the enthusiast. But for user like me who only want to get on with their work without having to worry about all those things and don't like additional stress (might be Over acting Here) because they are already stress with their jobs or with their life.

I have been googling a lot about differences of these chips. And people keep on saying get the 920... 940 or 950 or 960 is not worth it... If there is a person out there who will provide some concrete evidence of the long term benefit of OCing 920 vs using other chips at stock clock then these questions will answered. Evidence between Power Consumption voltage not only the chip but also the whole system of 920 OC to 950 vs 950@ stock. With computation of how much money you will save when you buy it vs when using it. Life span of the chips when OCed and not OCed. A person that is not biased.

This is a challenge. And I guess that will change a lot because people from Intel will be awaken that consumers are not stupid not like me. And maybe... just maybe, they will think before creating the same marketing strategy. Because until there are people out there like me then Intel will become richer and richer.
December 20, 2009 4:25:11 PM

notty22 said:
At Newegg in America the 960 is sold as a OEM package, NO HSF. That may be why its at a lower price than the 950 you are looking at. IF you buy your cpu that way, you will need a HSF, thermal compound.


Here in the UK the are both retail.

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December 20, 2009 4:39:18 PM

yea, i would either get the i7 920, or wait for the i7 930, even though unless it is 32nm, there still wont be a big difference.
December 20, 2009 4:44:55 PM

Nobody still answer my question...
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December 20, 2009 4:59:21 PM

ok, cpus are meant to last about 10 years before dieing. thats right 10 years.some last longer. i have never seen a cpu die, because it was replaced when it lost its usefulness. overclocking it takes 0-5% off of its lifetime, so even if you do oc it, you will replace it by the time it dies if it dies. you could even keep it at stock and it would perform BEAUTIFULLY as it is EXTREMELY FAST. look at these benchs:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

see, even at stock it is almost the same as the 940, and when it is oc'ed, it beats it. also, it would be so easy to get it to oc to 3.0 GHz, up the voltage, up the frequency, up the cooling, repeat process until not stable, or until satisfactory oc. that isnt even going into all of the other things you can do to get it above 4.0 GHz, where it will destroy and eat anything. if you saved the 300-750 dollars, you could buy a better mobo, better ram, and a ssd, which would also give you way better performance than just a 950 with 1333 MHz ram and a 7200 rpm hdd. you really need to trust what we are saying, as it is very much the truth. watch a video on youtube that pits ssd vs hdd. ssd blows hdd out of the water, and wont bottle neck your system. you put the fastest cpu in the world with a hdd, and you waste your money. i dont mean to sound mean, but hope this helped :) 
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December 20, 2009 6:39:22 PM

better question is, what are you going to use it for?

Just gaming or calculation intensive task? If it's just gaming then i would go after a Core i5 or AMD phenom II x4 as they perform the same as a core i7 but are cheaper options.

To show a comparison, Here is difference between core i7 920 and 965. (they dont have the 960 so the 965 is the closest i can get to it.)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=47&p2=45

There not much of a difference. This is why core i7 920 (sooner to be the 930) is the most recommended cpu of the i7's. We just dont see why pay the extra money for just little performance gains.
December 20, 2009 6:54:12 PM

warmon6 said:
better question is, what are you going to use it for?

Just gaming or calculation intensive task? If it's just gaming then i would go after a Core i5 or AMD phenom II x4 as they perform the same as a core i7 but are cheaper options.

To show a comparison, Here is difference between core i7 920 and 965. (they dont have the 960 so the 965 is the closest i can get to it.)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=47&p2=45

There not much of a difference. This is why core i7 920 (sooner to be the 930) is the most recommended cpu of the i7's. We just dont see why pay the extra money for just little performance gains.



I will be using this for calculation intensive task, I'm an application developer for scientific research i do programming for bioinformatics etc. So I definitely need a powerful and stable system. I will also be using Virtual PCs as servers.
December 20, 2009 7:05:46 PM

ares1214 said:
ok, cpus are meant to last about 10 years before dieing. thats right 10 years.some last longer. i have never seen a cpu die, because it was replaced when it lost its usefulness. overclocking it takes 0-5% off of its lifetime, so even if you do oc it, you will replace it by the time it dies if it dies. you could even keep it at stock and it would perform BEAUTIFULLY as it is EXTREMELY FAST. look at these benchs:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

see, even at stock it is almost the same as the 940, and when it is oc'ed, it beats it. also, it would be so easy to get it to oc to 3.0 GHz, up the voltage, up the frequency, up the cooling, repeat process until not stable, or until satisfactory oc. that isnt even going into all of the other things you can do to get it above 4.0 GHz, where it will destroy and eat anything. if you saved the 300-750 dollars, you could buy a better mobo, better ram, and a ssd, which would also give you way better performance than just a 950 with 1333 MHz ram and a 7200 rpm hdd. you really need to trust what we are saying, as it is very much the truth. watch a video on youtube that pits ssd vs hdd. ssd blows hdd out of the water, and wont bottle neck your system. you put the fastest cpu in the world with a hdd, and you waste your money. i dont mean to sound mean, but hope this helped :) 


Thanks ares1214 for your response. I'm actually aware of the performance difference but in terms of voltage usage comparison for the system as a whole. My PC is always on 24/7 literally so I need to know if there is a long term benefit i.e. additional electricity bill because of OC.

As for your comment about lifetime of CPU, maybe your right about the CPU, but how about the other components. I just read a forum here that a user OC and his MOBO died.

The question I was talking about is the Stock cooler. It's winter season at the moment so I could wait until summer to buy a new Cooling system.
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December 20, 2009 7:29:23 PM

PC_Plum said:
Thanks ares1214 for your response. I'm actually aware of the performance difference but in terms of voltage usage comparison for the system as a whole. My PC is always on 24/7 literally so I need to know if there is a long term benefit i.e. additional electricity bill because of OC.

As for your comment about lifetime of CPU, maybe your right about the CPU, but how about the other components. I just read a forum here that a user OC and his MOBO died.

The question I was talking about is the Stock cooler. It's winter season at the moment so I could wait until summer to buy a new Cooling system.


If you dont over clock, then stock cooler more than fine.


As for overclocking and hardware failure, If you get quality parts and get them new at the same time, they show be fine from many years. The most common failures are: (greatest to least)

1.HDD(s)
2.PSU
3.Fans
After that MB's, ram, gpu, ect.. are all about the same scene there no moving part. The least likely to fail hardware is the CPU it self. Cpu are the highest quality part in your computer. There warranties from both Intel and AMD are that a cpu should last 3 years. If it failed in 3 years (doesn't matter if it was running 24/7 or not.)

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-020033.ht...
http://support.amd.com/us/warranty/Pages/SupportWarrant...

As for for reliability, even though you want a good cpu. the 920 would still be a better option. As long as your programs can uses all 8 thread the i7's offer then you probable wont even see the difference between them all. (no matter what you pick, all the i7's can get it done quick.)
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December 20, 2009 7:56:44 PM

if you get a quality mobo, it wont die. the most common way for a mobo to die is when it is shocked in building, or power surge. other than that, mobo death isnt common. i would be more worried about the hdd, as it has a disc moving 120 revolutions a second, and that is why you buy an ssd. the 920 is a virtual octa-core, so even if it was at 2 GHz it would still be good.
December 20, 2009 8:00:14 PM

Here is my specs that I'm going to order in Overclockers UK

CPU: Intel Core i7 950 D0 Stepping (SLBEJ) 3.06Ghz
GPU: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3
MEMORY: Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 (1600MHz)
PSU: Corsair HX 850W ATX Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply
CASE: Coolermaster Storm 'Sniper' All Black (Mesh) Edition Case - Black
COOLER: Corsair H50-1 High-Performance CPU Watercooler
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM
December 20, 2009 8:02:40 PM

ares1214 said:
if you get a quality mobo, it wont die. the most common way for a mobo to die is when it is shocked in building, or power surge. other than that, mobo death isnt common. i would be more worried about the hdd, as it has a disc moving 120 revolutions a second, and that is why you buy an ssd. the 920 is a virtual octa-core, so even if it was at 2 GHz it would still be good.



How about bottleneck (look at the 9th blogger)

http://www.overclock.net/ati/600760-i7-920-bottleneck-5...
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December 20, 2009 8:36:25 PM

thats the point. get a good vid card (5870-5970) and ssd and a 920 and no bottle neck. get a 960 a 5850 and a 750 Gb hdd and there is a bottle neck.
December 21, 2009 5:11:19 AM

Do you think it's worth waiting for I7-980X (6 cores) which they said it will be launch in March?
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December 21, 2009 11:03:51 AM

that is going in the wrong direction, unless you have a 5000$ budget. it might be 2000$, so way to much. it will drive down the prices of previos x58 setups, but i would get an i7 920 now.
December 21, 2009 12:01:30 PM

seriously the get the 920, instead of the 950, then with your watercooling overclock it to match the 950, you save so much money!

In £'s whats your budget?
December 21, 2009 1:47:15 PM

winkerbie said:
seriously the get the 920, instead of the 950, then with your watercooling overclock it to match the 950, you save so much money!

In £'s whats your budget?


My Budget is £1500. The specs that I've said previously was about 1565 from Overclockers.co.uk. I've just read a forum here and said that they don't have good reviews and so I went and Googled them. Unfortunately, there's really a bad review for these guys.

http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5686.html
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December 21, 2009 2:10:41 PM

1500 £'s is perfect for a build, but if 350 of that goes to the cpu, then you cant get an ssd and good ram. if they have bad reviews, from more than 2 websites, dont buy from them.
December 21, 2009 2:18:14 PM

ares1214 said:
1500 £'s is perfect for a build, but if 350 of that goes to the cpu, then you cant get an ssd and good ram. if they have bad reviews, from more than 2 websites, dont buy from them.


Do you recommend a company?
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December 21, 2009 4:13:27 PM

to buy from, alienware, digital storm, falcon northwest are all good. i dont know if they all ship to the uk however
December 21, 2009 6:56:41 PM

alienware is from dell right? I actually have a better deal from them 10% discount. people keep on saying it's oddly design.
December 21, 2009 6:59:58 PM

I bought my components from a website from Lambdatek (search google), as far as I know they delivered within 1 business day, but they use couriers, so the delivery charge is expensive.

Their prices are the cheapest, I got a Core-i7 920 gaming rig for only £725. However all prices are listed with no VAT (+VAT is only 15%).When buying also check in detail what is listed, some products are OEM.

Reviews: http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews188398.html

Does anyone know any, UK-based computer hardware shops. The various ones I searched for on google dont offer much variety
December 21, 2009 7:02:50 PM

Alienware, and DELL are complete rip-offs, the comp I stated that I got for £725 was £1600 on DELL!
December 21, 2009 7:52:41 PM

I saw this from one of the forum

www.scan.co.uk = 1,471.52 (cpu,cooler,gpu -pre order )
www.pcspecialist.co.uk = 1,477 (CPU= i7-960)
www.cclonline.com = 1,514.29 (gpu -pre order)
www.novatech.co.uk = 1540.54 (gpu -pre order)
www.ebuyer.co.uk = 1,547.30 (gpu -pre order)
www.overclockers.co.uk = 1,565.73 (gpu -pre order)
www.dell.co.uk (alienware) = 1,566.78 only differences are motherboard, psu, case, don't know the memory, there are all dell
www.computerplanet.co.uk =1,635.43
www.dinopc.com = 1,508

This guy really did his research.
December 22, 2009 9:36:50 AM

Hey PC_Plum, you want advise? Get what you want. You will never find a perfect store with 5 stars.
December 22, 2009 12:27:41 PM

PC_Plum said:
I saw this from one of the forum

www.scan.co.uk = 1,471.52 (cpu,cooler,gpu -pre order )
www.pcspecialist.co.uk = 1,477 (CPU= i7-960)
www.cclonline.com = 1,514.29 (gpu -pre order)
www.novatech.co.uk = 1540.54 (gpu -pre order)
www.ebuyer.co.uk = 1,547.30 (gpu -pre order)
www.overclockers.co.uk = 1,565.73 (gpu -pre order)
www.dell.co.uk (alienware) = 1,566.78 only differences are motherboard, psu, case, don't know the memory, there are all dell
www.computerplanet.co.uk =1,635.43
www.dinopc.com = 1,508

This guy really did his research.



Checkout : http://www.lambda-tek.com/

Has a huge variety of products, and is definetely the cheapest, because they have OEM versions of unessential products, e.g. HDD, optical Drives, and memory. But fully boxed products, such as MOBO

Also has a 4.5 star rating.
December 22, 2009 2:17:11 PM

You do realize that if you aren't going to be overclocking then you don't need the most expensive motherboard you can get. You could also save yourself some money by going for a 750W PSU, I trust you will go for the 750W version of that Corsair.
Is your work GPU intensive? Because if it isn't then you probably don't need the 5870.
Maybe going for a less expensive case would be a good idea if you are exceeding your budget.

The other build I suggested could easily have fitted a Corsair H50 and the i7 870 (which is pretty powerful, probably not quite at powerful as the 950, but it does fit within your budget much more easily) without breaking the budget either. And probably got a 5870 in as well and I believe you could have got much faster RAM or more of it, not that the RAM I suggested was slow.

Aria.co.uk is another site you might want to check out.

For anyone reading this thread who is interested this is the thread where PC Plum originally asked for a build suggestion.
December 22, 2009 4:21:44 PM

Have you considered changing your HD to a 1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3, Reviews are pretty good and its fast.
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December 22, 2009 4:24:41 PM

+1 also have you considered building your own.
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