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October 18, 2009 4:49:43 AM

I have a nvidia gefore 8800gt and i have no clue which card to get. I have been looking around and I cant really decide which card is better. Im looking for a card thats around 150-200 bucks and that can run smoothly. someone please help thank you :D 

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October 18, 2009 4:54:46 AM

try 9600gt, it's cheap at the moment.
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October 18, 2009 5:00:50 AM

Providing the rest of your system isn't ancient, $150-200 can buy you a 5770 or 4890 ATI side or a GTX 260 nVidia side. Any of those would be a huge upgrade from an 8800GT.
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October 18, 2009 5:04:50 AM

I have a q6600 2.40 GHz CPU with a P5N-E SLI motherboard
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October 18, 2009 5:10:04 AM

polishtom said:
I have a q6600 2.40 GHz CPU with a P5N-E SLI motherboard



oh i945 chipset.......it is highly chance your mobo only support pcie 1.0 ....so either any card at the moment able to work on your system....(4890/gtx260 require pcie 2.0 to function better performance, geforce 9 will still require pcie 1.1 or above)

other word...get a new rig......
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October 18, 2009 5:17:46 AM

Let's see.

These are the video cards that are generally considered to be faster than a 8800GT.

Radeon 4850
Radeon 4870
Radeon 4770
Radeon 4850x2
Radeon 4870x2
Radeon 5850
Radeon 5870
GeForce 9800GTX+
GeForce GTS 250
GeForce GTX260
GeForce GTX275
GeForce GTX280
GeForce GTX295
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October 18, 2009 5:23:49 AM

^ Don't forget the 5770 and 5750
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October 18, 2009 7:41:49 AM

cheesesubs said:
try 9600gt, it's cheap at the moment.


Why would he downgrade? O_o

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October 18, 2009 7:55:16 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
Why would he downgrade? O_o


Exactly. 9600gt's a downgrade. Look at hierarchy chart.
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October 18, 2009 8:56:11 AM

You can get 5770 for cheap.It performs tad slower than 4870 bu hope to do well after driver upgrade.

Otherwise 4890 is a good card for 200$ (nearly)
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October 18, 2009 9:03:34 AM

Because cheesesub has no idea what he's talking about. Nothing wrong with PCIe 1, nor is a 9600GT an upgrade from a 8800GT.

One thing to possibly keep in mind is you have a mobo that has more then one PCIe slot. This means you can use your 8800GT as a PhysX card if you want. While AMD provides a better cost/performance ratio, if you have vista you can't use one. Before you do this, make sure the games you play can take advantage of PhysX.
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October 18, 2009 1:10:06 PM

You can do sli for about $75 give or take and that q6600 won't fold like a lawn chair unlike my e6400. Some of the advice that I have seen in this thread is pathetic a 945 and a 9600gt what must he be smoking.
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October 19, 2009 2:43:17 AM

4745454b said:
Because cheesesub has no idea what he's talking about. Nothing wrong with PCIe 1, nor is a 9600GT an upgrade from a 8800GT.



9600gt isn't a downgrade of 8800gt. it is downgrade of 8800"GTS" which he doesn't have it..... it has better fabrication(65nm), and same buswidth(256bit) and better performance than 8800gt can offer. and most important is....less power hungry than 8800gt.

and the debate of pcie's backward competibility. i'm not saying pcie 1.0 can't support any newer graphic card. some chipset like g31 and nforce 610i can support pcie 1.0 to 2.0 but some cant. like older nforce 4 and i945. so simply it depands on the chipset. the problem is the "chipset". which he need to get a new system instead of just get a graphic card.

because i know what exactly i'm talking about.......

ps: i945 is the worst chipset in intel history and prescott + i945 is the worst combo ever....
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October 19, 2009 2:50:43 AM

calling a troll on cheese, unless he's talking about only a 256 MB 8800 GT and not the 512.
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October 19, 2009 2:54:04 AM

Mierin said:
calling a troll on cheese, unless he's talking about only a 256 MB 8800 GT and not the 512.


how'd you prove i am a troll? tell me.
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October 19, 2009 3:18:39 AM

By my ignoring you from here on out. You have no clue what your talking about, the 9600GT is slower then the 8800GT. It might be on a newer process, but how many stream processors does it have? (hint: not as many/enough) Good day sir, I pray you stop misleading people.
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October 19, 2009 3:53:38 AM

4745454b said:
By my ignoring you from here on out. You have no clue what your talking about, the 9600GT is slower then the 8800GT. It might be on a newer process, but how many stream processors does it have? (hint: not as many/enough) Good day sir, I pray you stop misleading people.


well just look up wikipedia, i may be wrong with 8800gt&9600gt, i was mistaken with 9800 gt. anyway.

btw he's mobo still cant run either geforce 9 or above, even pcie 1.1 like geforce 8 were still risky on that chipset. unless he wants to run these card with tons of hardware issue(as it may be fatal.).

so the conclusion is---he needs to change his mobo if he wants to get a newer graphic card because these graphic card require at least g31/35 or above to function probably(p45 would be much better).
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October 19, 2009 4:19:20 AM

cheesesubs said:
9600gt isn't a downgrade of 8800gt. it is downgrade of 8800"GTS" which he doesn't have it..... it has better fabrication(65nm), and same buswidth(256bit) and better performance than 8800gt can offer. and most important is....less power hungry than 8800gt.

and the debate of pcie's backward competibility. i'm not saying pcie 1.0 can't support any newer graphic card. some chipset like g31 and nforce 610i can support pcie 1.0 to 2.0 but some cant. like older nforce 4 and i945. so simply it depands on the chipset. the problem is the "chipset". which he need to get a new system instead of just get a graphic card.

because i know what exactly i'm talking about.......

ps: i945 is the worst chipset in intel history and prescott + i945 is the worst combo ever....


Just so you know, the P5N-E SLI (the board he has) is based on the Nvidia 650i chipset. It will run any current GPU without any problem at all, so long as the mobo isn't defective.

http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=KyHOsOKWujC2QguJ&...
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October 19, 2009 4:29:21 AM

pepperman said:
Just so you know, the P5N-E SLI (the board he has) is based on the Nvidia 650i chipset. It will run any current GPU without any problem at all, so long as the mobo isn't defective.

http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=KyHOsOKWujC2QguJ&...



i guess i mixed up with "ASUS P5LD2". thank you for correcting me.
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October 19, 2009 4:32:36 AM

^ Anytime
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October 19, 2009 4:34:00 AM

pepperman said:
Just so you know, the P5N-E SLI (the board he has) is based on the Nvidia 650i chipset. It will run any current GPU without any problem at all, so long as the mobo isn't defective.

http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=KyHOsOKWujC2QguJ&...

whoa ok so i dont have to get a new motherboard right and if i get the gtx 260 i wont have any problems cause i want to make sure
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October 19, 2009 4:37:15 AM

^ Yup, you'll be fine. Make sure your psu is at least 500 W (preferably at least a total of 36 amps on the 12 V rail). Also make sure you have at least two 6 pin PCI-E connectors on your PSU and/or you buy one that comes with adaptors.
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October 19, 2009 5:07:07 AM

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whoa ok so i dont have to get a new motherboard right and if i get the gtx 260 i wont have any problems cause i want to make sure


As I've been trying to say, you'll be fine. Don't listen to those who have no clue what they are talking about, PCIe 2 will work in PCIe 1, it will just have half the bandwidth available. This doesn't mean half the speed, it means it wont' be able to talk to the CPU as fast as the bus allows. Seeing as even the fastest cards have trouble filling PCIe 1, this isn't an issue. (similar to harddrives not being able to fill SATA 150MB speeds because they can only sustain 100MBps.)

As Pepperman said, make sure you have the connectors you'd need, and a PSU good enough to run whatever card. Other then that, you'll be fine.
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October 19, 2009 5:14:18 PM

Lawl @ cheese's face
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October 19, 2009 9:12:10 PM

ok i have a 600 watt psu that would be enough right? and if i were to get another gtx 260 how would i be able to connect since i have enough adapters to connect one gtx 260
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October 20, 2009 12:15:23 AM

Not all 600W PSUs are the same. It might have enough, but possibly not if you don't have enough plugs. The only way to tell is to look at the PSU casing and see how much power it has on the 12V rail(s).
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October 20, 2009 1:36:50 AM

4745454b said:
Not all 600W PSUs are the same. It might have enough, but possibly not if you don't have enough plugs. The only way to tell is to look at the PSU casing and see how much power it has on the 12V rail(s).

how will i determine that? i see a +12V then under it 32A and under that 384 watts and under that combined with the +3.3V and the +5V its 580W
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October 20, 2009 1:52:23 AM

You probably won't be able to SLI then, but it should be fine for a single card.
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October 20, 2009 1:58:37 AM

thats whack was hoping to do SLI and if i were to do it i would have to buy a new PSU correct?
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October 20, 2009 2:00:02 AM


I agree about th 9600gt, it is a downgrade essentially. I work on computers for a living on both PC's, as well as have my Apple cert. There is about a 15-20% performance difference in favor of the 8800gt vs the 9600gt if memory serves. Don't get me wrong, 9600gt is not horrible, I have one myself, but going from the 8800gt to the 9600gt is the equivalent of downgrading. If I remember right, the 8800gt has 112 stream processors vs the 64 of the 9600gt which makes up a lot of the difference.

For the PCI 1.0 vs 2.0, 2.0 might help, but I am not sure many cards actually can saturate the full bandwidth offered by 1.0-1.1. At least I believe that was the case a few months ago, but who knows with the new 5870 series. That being the case, my next upgrade for graphics will likely be a 5750 or 5770. However, the op may be able to find a cheap 4850 floating around somewhere, but at this point, I think I'd go ahead and jump to the DX 11 cards, but that is a personal preference.
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October 20, 2009 2:09:21 AM

I completely agree with Ohiou, however about the 5750 and 5770 I'd suggest going with the 4870s or 4890s there much cheaper than the 260s at least the 4870s are. Newegg has the lowest 4870 at 124.98. The 4870s outpreform the 260s by far and match up with the 280s on some games. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964... shows that. And the 4870 offers the DX 10.1 support which should be set for a while. D11 has few to no games currently but yeah. 4870 is the better buy. Rather than the 260 since its in like the same price range on Newegg.
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October 20, 2009 2:22:13 AM

aznshinobi said:
I completely agree with Ohiou, however about the 5750 and 5770 I'd suggest going with the 4870s or 4890s there much cheaper than the 260s at least the 4870s are. Newegg has the lowest 4870 at 124.98. The 4870s outpreform the 260s by far and match up with the 280s on some games. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964... shows that. And the 4870 offers the DX 10.1 support which should be set for a while. D11 has few to no games currently but yeah. 4870 is the better buy. Rather than the 260 since its in like the same price range on Newegg.

so the 4870 out preforms the gtx 260 superclocked or not? and can you give me a link please been lookin around for the 4870 but only found it at 150
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October 20, 2009 2:24:49 AM

The 4870's are roughly equal to the GTX 260 216 sp's. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...[2480]=on&prod[2463]=on&prod[2464]=on

If you want a single card, you would get more for your money with a 4870, but if you want a multi-gpu, (you will need to upgrade your psu) you should go with the GTX 260 (make sure its a 216 shader model).

HD 4870- link posted above^

GTX 260 (216 shader)- $175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU- $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 20, 2009 2:32:58 AM

but why is the evga version of the 260 more then then the msi and the same with the 4870 why is the visiontek more then asus wheres the difference?
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October 20, 2009 2:34:51 AM

polishtom said:
so the 4870 out preforms the gtx 260 superclocked or not? and can you give me a link please been lookin around for the 4870 but only found it at 150


If you want a 4870, you should go with the one I posted (at least if you're going off of newegg). Since the price difference is so small, you should stick with a 1GB version over the 512 MB version.

The 4870 I posted before was $145. Here's the link again.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 20, 2009 2:38:59 AM

polishtom said:
but why is the evga version of the 260 more then then the msi and the same with the 4870 why is the visiontek more then asus wheres the difference?


The difference is the brand. Some brands carry a better warranty, like XFX, EVGA, and BFG whose cards carry a lifetime warrany. Others don't have such warranties. Personally, I prefer XFX and EVGA.
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October 20, 2009 2:47:45 AM

Oh, the EVGA is more expensive, also, because of brands, since more people just prefer EVGA since its the standard Nvidia brand, I THINK! Since its like how Sapphire and EVGA are exclusive to its GPU
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October 20, 2009 2:57:49 AM

pepperman said:
If you want a 4870, you should go with the one I posted (at least if you're going off of newegg). Since the price difference is so small, you should stick with a 1GB version over the 512 MB version.

The 4870 I posted before was $145. Here's the link again.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

whats the difference between the memory of the gtx 260 which has 2106MHz and the 4870 has 900 MHz is it the speed?
and thanks for the link
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October 20, 2009 3:12:54 AM

The 2106 MHz of the GTX 260 is GDDR3 with a 448 bit interface while the 3600 MHz (900 x 4) of the 4870 is GDDR5 with a 256 bit interface. The bandwidth is very similar, I could calculate it but I'm too lazy right now, but you really can't compare the two cards that way; they're built on different architectures, so you can only look at theoretical performance differences. You're better off looking at the charts (either the ones I posted, or you can go there yourself).
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October 20, 2009 3:22:16 AM

118 GB/s for the GTX 260
115.2 GB/s for the 4870

As I said, they're very close to each other
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October 20, 2009 7:44:10 PM

ok so if i were to go with gtx 260 SLI i will have better preformance then the 4870
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October 20, 2009 9:20:07 PM

and that 4870 has a horrible cooler!
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October 20, 2009 11:57:12 PM

With SLI, yes, but just as the single card config, a pair of 4870's will perform similarly. I agree, that is a terrible cooler; to be honest, I wasn't operating at full capacity when I linked that. Unfortunately, the next best one I would recommend (based on warranty) is the ASUS Dark Knight, which costs $160.

Since you seem to want to have a multi-gpu setup, it really boils down to your mobo. The only way you can do it (without upgrading your mobo) is SLI. If you have the money now and/or you want to add another gpu later, you should go with the GTX 260. If all you want is a single GPU setup, you could get either, depending on how much you want to pay.

Dark Knight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 21, 2009 12:03:32 AM

Yea I think I am going to go with the gtx 260 buy one then wait a few and buy a new psu and another gtx 260. Dont really want to get a new motherboard just for the corssfire. Thanks for all the help pepperman really appreciate it and to the rest of you guys.
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October 21, 2009 12:04:35 AM

That's what we're here for.
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