New NVIDIA cards eventually.

Does anyone rekon the new NVIDIA cards will be relatively close to the the new ati 5000 series in energy efficieny? Such as the 5850 only using 151 watts and being almost as powerful as a gtx 285. If not then NVIDIA has let down lol. I will buy ATI in the future, seeing how i wil not have to upgrade my psu or overspend too much on an NVIDIA graphics card. Currently i have a GTS 250, and have been criticle about how the GTS 250 uses 150 watts, and the ATI 4850 uses 110 watts, and the ATI card is almost the same as the GTS 250 in perofrmance. Gives the impression that NVIDIA are being like AMD's phenom ii 965 in the way that it consumes too much power and is less efficient, despite NVIDIA have slightly better performance overall

would you say that the 5850 is about as powerful as a GTX 280? Is the GTX 280 above the GTX 275? I don't know much about the 280. i think i like ATI better, because of a number of reasons. Firstly their energy efficienty. That they have their pci power connectors at the front of the board. They are generally smaller than NVIDIA cards. I like their control panel, actually feels easier to use, and also the settings for aa and af seem better in that they have a moving picture showing you what the current settings would be like. NVIDIA don't do this. Although for NVIDIA you get more options to use, and the cpu and gpu overclock and features are all organised into one control panel which is convenient. But i think to be honest ATI control panel overall is better than NVIDIA, it's easier to relate to and other settings that you don't need are cut out. you get temperature sensors and overclocking settings in the control panel all in one package without having to install ntune like you do on nvidia.

yes they are generally smaller board...but google come ati 5xxx series and you will see huge video cards
Gtx 275 is the successor of the Gtx 280, and is better (ofcourse, otherwise nobody would buy them)

it is actually better? I thought it was better than the 275 but less better than the 285. So when more drivers are released for the 5850 it could be better or the same as the GTX 285 quite solidly?

i mean in terms of sheer performance. Also, since the drivers are early, could that mean that as they get more experience, the perofrmance of the 5850 will be driven up? And solidly mathc or beat the GTX 285? But that sounds crazy, and at the moment it seems like it will take a long time before NVIDIA comes out with something better. Have ATI always been more energy efficient than NVIDIA has, in general not that all ATI cards may be more energy efficient and better performance per watt? So yeah, i'll wait until NVIDIA comes out with something new, and compare them to the ATI cards. Although, 1 5850 sounds enough for a 1280 x 1024 resolution. Even since i am playing Crysis. So it seems like i am deemed for ATI, since i am not really going to want anything more powerful than a 5850 seriously.

I get the feeling the GT300 might be another dust buster FX5800...

remember to clean out the nvidia drivers with driver sweeper pro (i think)

there are free versions of driver sweeper program. you can check guru3d or just google something like driver cleaner pro. many people use such program to easily clean any left over by the older/previous drivers.

what's wrong with program and features and uninstalling it from there? It doesn't properly remove them? But i have uninstalled and reinstalled drivers all the time, including going from ati to nvidia and i have had no problems using control panel's program and features to uninstall drivers. The drivers have their own official uninstallation process anyway. ATI and NVIDIA drivers have an uninstallation program.

When I upgraded from Nvidia 8800GTX to the ATI 5870, I didn't have to use any driver sweeper program. Just make sure you remove the core graphics driver from Nvidia. But from what I've read other's results varied and driver cleaner worked for them when nothing else except a reinstall of windows did anything.

You probably won't need it, but you might as well download it in case you need to boot to safe mode and troubleshoot.

seems like nvidia or ati should sort out their driver uninstalations properly. Instead of people having to resort to buying driver sweeper. Ok use the free demo, but after that i think it should be left and not be bought. It's like driverdetective. I'm sick to death when i'm looking for my drivers on a previous computer, and i open up a page, instead of having my ati drivers it comes up with driver detective. It occurs in the majority of the pages i open up as welll. Ultimately you have to pay for driver detective, all it does is find drivers for you , and that does not justify it at all. I don't evenknow if it would do the job properly.

hmm. It will be a long time before any upgrading happens. At them moment just getting new PSU.