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December 23, 2009 5:21:45 AM

Hi All

Just got COD4:MW2 and found my old system is now struggling!

been looking around for various items but with a limited budget im not sure what to upgrade.

should i replace just the gpu? processor? or will i need to replace a few items to get cod running more smoothly as its quite laggy currently.

current spec:
intel e5200 cpu
4gb 800mhz RAM
xfx 8800gt alpha dog edt
500w psu (i think)


any advice or help would be great!!!

thanks in advance

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December 23, 2009 5:52:23 AM

I don't understand why your system is laggy. It should be plenty:

Scroll half way down and choose "check your specs"

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=565&gam...

Your system specs are plenty for this game. Does your system run smooth? You probably have other issues such as the need to reinstall the operating system if the system itself is laggy with other tasks.

Although you could get better gaming performance by upgrading, I don't see a real need for it so save your money and try to reinstall your operating system and update all of the drivers.

Actually check the drivers to ensure they are up to date then reinstall the OS if that doesn't do the trick... ;) 
December 23, 2009 6:10:27 AM

Hi and thanks for quick reply.

i just came back after doing some research and was going to comment that other people seem to be running mw2 on max with my card with very little lag.

just started playing single player and its pretty horrible. going to try get the code to test the fps but ill try find drivers to see if that solves anything and its running horribly!
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December 23, 2009 6:13:26 AM

I get these results . they didnt have my processor so went up one on that.

System Specs
We reckon your rig will run this game well
CPU Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13GHz
GRAF Geforce 8800 GT
RAM 4 GB

CPU GRAF RAM
75%
This CPU is good enough to play 75% of games released over the past 12 months 94%
This graphics card is good enough to play 94% of games released over the past 12 months 100%
This RAM is good enough to play 100% of games released over the past 12 months
December 23, 2009 6:18:18 AM

Your cpu was on the list, you have to scroll down further to see it. It scored you 91 on the cpu which was the weakest part followed by the graphics card at 94. It gave you an all systems go on playability. Your cpu is listed as a Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.5Ghz.

Your system will run that game fine.

You are about an even steven on the need for a cpu and gpu upgrade. You 1st need to find out what motherboard you have and locate the cpu support list. If it supports a core 2 duo then I would consider going with that. Go to www.cpuid.com and download cpuz to get the model of your motherboard if you don't know it.
December 23, 2009 6:28:37 AM

just doing a fraps test. something must be wrong because even the infinity bit lags badly on load!

ill double check drivers again next
December 23, 2009 6:33:52 AM

ok so fraps results over 60 seconds were 11fps min 83fps max and average 42 which is really too bad is it? :S

i have windows 7 on my laptop. might install it on pc too if it will let me? assuming it will as i have the disc and might help things
December 23, 2009 6:34:06 AM

Something is wrong, your hardware isn't that bad performance wise and should be playable in most games depending on settings. Check your temps as well to make sure nothing is overheating.

Install real temp and see what you get. Check both your gpu and cpu temps...

http://majorgeeks.com/Real_Temp_d6098.html
December 23, 2009 6:50:25 AM

When was the last time that you defragged your hard drive?
December 23, 2009 6:56:10 AM

ok so updating drivers seems to have worked. mate had this pc while i was away at uni and he obv didnt download drivers like he said lol.

got 60 fps doing the same test so thats more like it. still bit laggy in places but may be psu or gpu holding that back a bit.

thanks for help mate!
December 23, 2009 6:59:29 AM

i will give it a defrag as my mate probs didnt do one. he just played wow on it.

temps are 79-82 roughly so not sure how good that is???

hard drive is very old 80gb one but runs at 5,400rpm so shouldnt be an issue?
December 23, 2009 4:53:18 PM

With any 80gb drive you might want to check how full it is. WoW takes up like 17gig by itself ICC. You really don't want to use the last 5-10% of your HDD or it will really start to slow down.

Assuming the HDD is not full, then no that really shouldn't give you an issue. You may want to consider running a virus check or malware check. You could have a bug in there eating away at system resources.
December 23, 2009 5:52:16 PM

Anyways, +1 for running virus scan and patching the game.
December 23, 2009 5:52:59 PM

Quote:

temps are 79-82 roughly so not sure how good that is???

Is that for GPU or CPU?

In either case, those are pretty hot temps.
December 23, 2009 9:08:18 PM

If you're running 79-82C on CPU that's your problem. That's very hot.

If it's your GPU, it's pretty warm, but not necessarily major. I'd still want to look at cooling that down though. GPUs can stand higher temps than CPUs generally.

Also, with an 80GB hard drive, it's probably old school tech (and IDE connection type). So any time the game is trying to load data into memory/cache it's going to slow things up as it waits on the hard drive.

Wouldn't hurt to update things there. :) 

I'd say Defrag, and check out your temperatures first though.
December 24, 2009 10:46:10 AM

What resolution are you playing? Do you have all settings to max and highest AA?
I have an e5200 on a G31 mobo and overclock the CPU to 3.3 Ghz. You should try to OC to increase your framerates.
December 24, 2009 12:58:37 PM

ok thanks everyone for the replies!

im now doing another virus scan to see what that brings up.

the disc frag has been done

and i checked the hard drive and it does have the old ribbon cable which i think is IDE like you mentioned. pretty sure i want SATA right?
i may just buy this http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/320-GB-Samsung-HD322HJ-S...

also he installed vista on it (previously XP) and its not a "legit" copy so im thinking about putting XP back on it?

i downloaded speed fan and it gives these results (some with flames next to them so im assuming they are too hot!!);

GPU: 49C
TEMP1: 27C
TEMP2: 66C (ON FIRE!)
TEMP3: -2C (ASSUMING ITS TESTING FOR QUAD CORE WHERE THERE IS NONE?)
TEMP: 4C
CORE 0: 76C (ON FIRE!)
CORE 1: 76C (ON FIRE!)

the computer had a side fan and top fan for cooling as well as the ones built in on the cpu and psu

December 24, 2009 1:05:24 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
What resolution are you playing? Do you have all settings to max and highest AA?
I have an e5200 on a G31 mobo and overclock the CPU to 3.3 Ghz. You should try to OC to increase your framerates.



i think thats the same MOBO as the one i have although my e5200 has been kept to 2.5ghz. What settings do you use?

the settings are:

1680x1050 rez
2x AA
sync frames : NO
yes to all the rest (shadows, smoke edges, ragdoll etc)

the only worry i have about overclocking is that it will generate even more heat and eventually fry the cpu. If it turns out the CPU is the problem i may get a new one but i heard good things about the e5200 and i quite like it. Also the shouldnt be any reason for it to die on me as its only a year or so old.
December 24, 2009 1:06:48 PM

BTW i run it through steam even though i didnt buy it from there as i assume its a must?

the infinity ward bit has a second or two lag at start but assumed its because the "steam community" window shows briefly

December 24, 2009 1:31:48 PM

ok virus scan finished and said no errors so thats another box ticked.

speedfan says that fan1 is spinning at 1722rpm which sounds pretty high and no other fans are on but ive checked and the side and top fans are working :S
December 24, 2009 1:46:26 PM

72C is VERY HOT for CPU.

Re seat the cooler.

Also, try RealTemp, SpeedFan is not accurate unless calibrated.
December 24, 2009 2:16:11 PM

Shadow703793 said:
72C is VERY HOT for CPU.

Re seat the cooler.

Also, try RealTemp, SpeedFan is not accurate unless calibrated.



ok i will try re seat the cooler.

got rid of speedfan and installed real temp and its showing 77c ish for cpu and 49c for gpu so sounds like might be a CPU issue.



sooooo tempted to scrap the lot and go all out getting a new system! lol. must resist!!!!!!!!!
December 24, 2009 3:34:33 PM

^Re seat cooler.
December 24, 2009 3:56:48 PM

delsaber said:
i think thats the same MOBO as the one i have although my e5200 has been kept to 2.5ghz. What settings do you use?

the settings are:

1680x1050 rez
2x AA
sync frames : NO
yes to all the rest (shadows, smoke edges, ragdoll etc)

the only worry i have about overclocking is that it will generate even more heat and eventually fry the cpu. If it turns out the CPU is the problem i may get a new one but i heard good things about the e5200 and i quite like it. Also the shouldnt be any reason for it to die on me as its only a year or so old.


The settings are in BIOS. 12.5 multiplier times 267 bus speed. If you're running that e5200 at stock speed, it's holding back your videocard's full potential. Consider installing an Artic Pro Freezer 7 (what I use) to help with cooling.
December 24, 2009 4:31:00 PM

ok thanks again for this guys.

ive reseated the cpu fan and it did seem a little off how it was sitting.

ran cod4:mw2 from start up (temps late 50s) and it ran it really well!! (average 67fps with a lowest of 43 wheres before the lowets hit the teens) but after the test i checked real temp and it was in the 80s! with a peak of 93C!!!

so really it does seem like a cpu issue. not sure what to do really, options seem like;

a) buy a new cpu

b) buy a cooler like the artic pro one suggested

c) buy new system

d) move to the north pole to keep temps down. a little drastic but i like my high fps's!! lol

December 24, 2009 4:42:20 PM

buy the cooler and thermal grease keep an eye on the market for when intel release i9 and nvidia gt300 series are out
December 24, 2009 4:59:57 PM

A stock cooler on a non OC'd e5200 shouldn't be hitting those temps though.. 80c?

Not to knock your ability to seat a cpu, but you're sure you applied the thermal goo and everything correctly?

Is there something wrong with the CPU fan or maybe the case itself has poor air circulation for some reason?
December 24, 2009 5:02:19 PM

thanks obsidon. saw you post in my other thread too :) 

ive left the computer on for a bit so going to try temps a few more times. will get thermal paste and a cooler in mean time i think.

it had a grey thermal paste on it already so will i have to take that off?

if i did decide to upgrade to a new computer would the hdmi improve fps much or is it more of a visual improvement like colours etc?
December 24, 2009 5:11:07 PM

Kithzaru said:
A stock cooler on a non OC'd e5200 shouldn't be hitting those temps though.. 80c?

Not to knock your ability to seat a cpu, but you're sure you applied the thermal goo and everything correctly?

Is there something wrong with the CPU fan or maybe the case itself has poor air circulation for some reason?



the case is a one i got recently. although not brand new its better than the old one and has two extra fans where the other had none.

the cpu already had a coating on which a mate said was the thermal paste but maybe i should have got some extra? i did all this a while ago so i would def get some now.

going to have another test now so ill see what happens before and after playing.
December 24, 2009 5:20:19 PM

right, when i got back to comp its idling at about 55C, ran cod again and did a fraps test and averaging 68C which was fine and looked pretty good. real temps was in the 80C and had clocked a peak of 94C!!

thinking im going to have to get some thermal paste and better cooling
December 24, 2009 5:24:08 PM

that would be best
December 28, 2009 3:43:58 PM

Definitely read that link englandr provided, it's good directions. It's unfortunately rather easy to incorrectly apply TIG.

Best of luck!
December 28, 2009 5:24:33 PM

You cant reuse the compound, so you have to clean the old off and apply new. Arctic Silver 5 has been a favorite for many years, although there are a couple out there that perform as well or even slightly better.

Also, +1 for overclocking if you feel up to it. Even with a meager OC to 3.0-3.2Ghz, you should see an improvement to tide you over untill you can afford/want to get a new computer.
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