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October 7, 2009 1:33:48 AM

Hi,

I'm building a new computer, and have some queries.

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Approximate Purchase Date: Before Christmas
Budget: ~$1000
System Usage from Most Important to Least Important:
  • Heavy gaming
  • Game modding
  • Programming
  • Surfing the internet
  • Document processing
  • Watching movies
  • Media converting
    Parts Not Required:
  • Monitor
  • Keyboard
  • Mouse
  • Speakers
  • Optical Drives
  • Floppy Disc Drive
    Parts Preferences:
  • Gigabyte
  • Antec
  • Ati
    Overclocking: To be discussed
    Crossfire: Initially no, but eventually yes
    Monitor Resolution: 1440 x 900
    OS: Win XP Pro/7 HP/Ult @ 64-bit

    EDIT: I've added prices at my own dollar, which is less than the US dollar. Note that I've rounded to the nearest $5 for each component.

    Original Specifications:
  • Processor: AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 ~$265
  • Motherboard: G-A MA790XT-UD4P ~$180
  • RAM: 4GB Patriot-Gaming 1600MHz ~$125
  • HDD: 1TB Seagate SATA ~$100
  • Video Card: Gigabyte Ati Radeon 4890 ~$240
  • PSU: Antec Signature 850W ~$270
  • Case: Antc 200 ~$80
  • Total: ~$1260

    Modified Specs (all still pending - NOTHING changed as of yet):
  • Processor: Intel i7 920 ~$365
  • Motherboard: G-A EX58-UD3R ~$265
  • Video Card: Gigabyte Ati Radeon 5850 ~$400 (not with same supplier)
  • PSU: Thermaltake EVO Blue Gaming ~$185

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    OK, I know that I've got an indefinite time, which means that I can be outdated, etc. but I'm still saving (and as prices come down, I won't need to spend nearly as much).

    Now I plan on playing games like Crysis at maximum graphics, and I will be buying Crysis 2 when it arrives (hopefully) next year.

    Seeing as the i7 920 doesn't have a 3.2GHz processor, or even a 2.8GHz processor, will I need to overclock it, or is Crysis referring to the old dual cores?

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    Just so everyone knows, this computer has been designed to last five years (which is why I'm looking at an expensive graphics card on a small monitor).

    Although I've put in a at least a solid week's worth of research (as in more than 168 hours of research - I've been researching for almost two months now), I'm curious to know if I've overlooked anything, such as a configuration issue.

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
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    October 7, 2009 2:18:11 AM

    Are you planing to get a no monitor soon ?
    October 7, 2009 8:22:06 AM

    I'm using the same one that I'm using now.
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    October 7, 2009 8:35:20 AM

    Well, if you're staying with the current monitor... a 4870 might actually be able to max out everything for the current Crysis... maybe you can get an i5 with 4870 and use the extra cash to get a monitor that's at least 1680x1050? 5850 would just be a massive overkill for resolution below 1920x1200.
    October 7, 2009 9:42:51 AM

    You do have overkill, but on your PSU. Even overclocked I don't see that system pulline more then 500W. I doubt it would pull more then 650W with another 4870/90. There is no reason to spend that much on a PSU if you need a better monitor. Drop down to a 600-650 if you want to CF later on, or just get a good 500W. With the money saved, buy a 22" LCD.
    October 7, 2009 3:23:07 PM

    I think 850watts is reasonable with Crossfire + overclocking.
    October 7, 2009 3:45:21 PM

    nah 850 its way to much, people often get confuse, and I understand perfectly, because if you remeber a few years ago you needed as much as a 1000w PSU to run a 8800gtx in SLI, I remember that..lol...rather not to though. anyways, thing is now days Cards, Boards and CPU, consume lower wattage, 1 reason could be that board manufatures wants to be more enviormental friendly, like ASUS or Gigabyte.

    I recomend this:

    CORSAIR CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I recomend paying a little extra on the modular, it will offer you a better cable managament which will mean better air flow inside your case, also the reason i chose the 750w, its because it will give you a better upgrade path although like some pointed out a 650w will cut it for you, but like i said the 750w will give a longer time before you have to change it again, it will even let you do 5850 in CF.

    and last but no least, you should defenily take in consideration to go with an i5 setup even if it means paying a little extra, and keeping a lower video card model like a 4870.
    October 7, 2009 4:09:18 PM

    Ok here is my list of parts you should consider for $1000

    CPU & Motherboard: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
    ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    Combo Discount: -$20.00
    Combo Price: $349.98
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

    HSF: XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
    $32.99
    Free Shipping
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Memory Ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ - Retail
    $85.99
    Free Shipping
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GPU: DIAMOND 5850PE51G Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card Retail
    $279.99
    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

    HHD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
    $54.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
    $119.99
    ($99.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate Card )
    Free Shipping
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Case: Xigmatek MIDGARD-W Black 0.7mm SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    $79.99
    ($69.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I dont have a calculator at the moment :ange:  , but after rebates and all add together i know is less than $1000, with my bad math skills :na:  :kaola: 
    October 7, 2009 6:38:36 PM

    Thanks shortstuff, but i think that if thats the case with Xigmatek, they will happily send him the brackets for the LGA 1156, but not to go through all that problems the cooler master HSF isn't a bad choice + is cheaper.
    October 7, 2009 6:45:55 PM

    I'm pretty sure Xigmatek doesn't even have LGA 1156 brackets available yet. They certainly aren't on Newegg if they're available.
    October 7, 2009 7:36:12 PM

    By Christmas the ATI 5700 series cards should be out. Since a 5850 is overkill for that monitor, one of the new cheaper DX11 cards may be a better fit.


    The Balder is out, but I havent seen it available at a US site yet. Its a shiny nickel version of the Dark Knight.
    October 8, 2009 12:19:08 AM

    Whoa! I go to bed for a few hours, and I get all these awesome results! Thanks to all :p .

    I've made a little mistake that I should probably fix: pricing. My supplier is a really cheap supplier (almost at wholesale pricing). I don't like saying my geographical location, so I won't mention the store (but I don't live in the US, so my pricing will be a little different). Just know that the US dollar is > my own dollar. After this post, I'll fix up post #1.

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    Well, I'll tackle the monitor issue first. The reason I have a 19" screen is because it's the largest possible monitor that I can fit in my computer area. If it were physically possible for me to fit a 22" monitor in the area, then I'd upgrade, but I just don't have the room at the moment (sadly, as my dream monitor is a 22-5"). In the future, I might be able to upgrade - when I get the space. Sadly, that'll be in a few months - when I actually have space!


    In relation to monitors, I've got question regarding the resolution and graphics cards. Why is a 5850, or even a 4870 overkill for such a resolution I'm using?



    Now I'll tackle the PSU. I read a different TH thread before assembling the rig, and the guy that had posted was using a ~750W PSU with 2 4890s and was having trouble, and was told to use an 850W. Since reading that, I replaced the 550W PSU that I was originally going to use (which would be a much cheaper option - even a 650W would be a much better option) with the 850W mega-monster. Also, the AMD Dragon used an 850W PSU with 2 4890s, so I figured that that was Gospel.

    Now I'd be very happy to return to earth with my PSU, as I do feel 850W is asking for a bit much. If I'm allowed to take off 100W, then I can get the original brand that I wanted at $84 cheaper. Thanks!




    The CPU is probably one of the few things I will stand and question till I'm blue in the face. I'd like to know why some of you have chosen the i5 over the i7. If it's monetary, the supplier's i7 CPUs & motherboards are only ~$50 more than the i5. If you're thinking of monetary issues here, it isn't a problem, as the PSU (which I always knew the price was overkill) has probably removed the pricing.

    Just FTR I'm more than likely going to repel you on this argument, because CPUs and GPUs are probably the only two hardware components that I could say I get "passionate" about (for want of a better word). But before I do argue, I'd like the facts and opinions, as I was originally an AMD-only man (only owned one Intel and it was a shocker), but a friend explained how Intel worked and what was so special about the i7's hyperthreading. Since then, I've been interested in the i7. So long story short, I'm open to whatever you say.



    The case that snakej provided looks nice, but it is a tad more expensive than my own choice, but compared to the Antec 200, is there a benefit? Because I'd be happy to jump ship from the Antec to this Xigmatek, seeing as I have an extra $84 to spend now.



    Finally (for this post), the HDD. I chose a 1TB for the amount of programs and games that I'm wanting to install - I've only got two games installed ATM on my two HDDs, and almost both are used up. I'd prefer a Samsung, but none of my suppliers can get me one (how sad and how strange). Perhaps I'll need to go international.




    Anyway, thanks for all of your help so far, and hopefully, my pigheaddedness hasn't come out and turned you off - I just love to question EVERYTHING.

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 8, 2009 12:45:28 AM

    wow long post rider, im not reading all that :na: 

    Lol just kidding read it all :D 

    lest see here, oh yah, GPU and monitor issue, thats a easy one, I came up with an equation to describe it, its:

    1-)High end GPU + low resolution monitor = Overkill :ouch: 
    2-)low end GPU + High end Monitor = game at lower settings :cry: 
    3-)High end GPU + High end Monitor = game crusher :wahoo: 

    applying equation 1 to you: see you don't want a great GPU on a lower resolution monitor because its likely that you wont use all the power that the GPU board has, therefor you can go with much lower video card and still get great result at a much lower cost.

    for the PSU, go with what I recommended, you wont beat the price, how ever if cash isn't a issue go with the modular version, which i also linked in my first post.

    i7 its great, but i guess you called the threat the $1000 gaming pc, simply a nice i7 setup don't fit on that budget, why? thanks to Intel they have separated the Pc world with 3 different kinds of consumers, enthusiast, gamer and casual, and they simply market the i7 for enthusiast you will need at least 1,200 for a nice i7 860 setup.

    the case I provided isn't only nice looking, but it offers you a variety of things that simply low end cases like the antec 300 cant offer, and all for a little bit more, and as you saw i fit it nicely on your budget.
    here is the link for you to check: http://www.xigmatek.com/product/chassis-midgard-w.php

    and finally, the im gonna run out of space issue, truly an i pods consumer issue, did you know you can alway buy another one later as space is require or a simply external one will do the job.
    October 8, 2009 12:47:08 AM

    If money isnt an issue then go for the i7 920, an x58 motherboard and a 3x2GB low voltage DDR3 RAM kit.


    For graphics processing 1440x900 ~ 1.3 million but 1920x1200 ~ 2.3 million so your resolution requires only about 56% of the GPU power to achieve the same frame rates as on good widescreen LCD. Depending on the game, at 1920x1200 a 5850 goes anywhere from a pleasantly playable 50 FPS to being processor bottlenecked and the 5870 is 15-20% faster. Your monitor also probably doesnt refresh faster than 60Hz anyway so any FPS over 60 wont do anything for you. Here is a benchmarking that includes lots of GPU models at various resolutions on several games:
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870_C...


    I dont know of any problems with a seagate 7200.12 1TB HDD. Just dont go for the 1.5TB 7200.11, well or for anything less than a 7200.12. Seagate had some substantial firmware issues with some of those older models.
    October 8, 2009 9:36:32 AM

    snakej said:
    wow long post rider, im not reading all that :na: 

    Lol just kidding read it all :D 

    lest see here, oh yah, GPU and monitor issue, thats a easy one, I came up with an equation to describe it, its:

    1-)High end GPU + low resolution monitor = Overkill :ouch: 
    2-)low end GPU + High end Monitor = game at lower settings :cry: 
    3-)High end GPU + High end Monitor = game crusher :wahoo: 

    applying equation 1 to you: see you don't want a great GPU on a lower resolution monitor because its likely that you wont use all the power that the GPU board has, therefor you can go with much lower video card and still get great result at a much lower cost.

    for the PSU, go with what I recommended, you wont beat the price, how ever if cash isn't a issue go with the modular version, which i also linked in my first post.

    i7 its great, but i guess you called the threat the $1000 gaming pc, simply a nice i7 setup don't fit on that budget, why? thanks to Intel they have separated the Pc world with 3 different kinds of consumers, enthusiast, gamer and casual, and they simply market the i7 for enthusiast you will need at least 1,200 for a nice i7 860 setup.

    the case I provided isn't only nice looking, but it offers you a variety of things that simply low end cases like the antec 300 cant offer, and all for a little bit more, and as you saw i fit it nicely on your budget.
    here is the link for you to check: http://www.xigmatek.com/product/chassis-midgard-w.php

    and finally, the im gonna run out of space issue, truly an i pods consumer issue, did you know you can alway buy another one later as space is require or a simply external one will do the job.


    Looks good! This post won't be nearly as long as the second.

    You didn't really answer my question about the GPU and resolution (but not to worry - it was answered by DNDHATCHER), but you did clear something up that has been a little thorn in my side for about a month now: the "overkill" bit. So long as overkill is me not being able to use the full grunt of the card, and not the card causing problems with the machine, I'm happy (sometimes, I get paranoid over stuff that I do know the answer to). It doesn't solve the issue about what to get, but at least I know that overkill isn't machinekill too :bounce: .



    Moving on to the PSU, I did the conversion rate, and you are correct - there's a further $50 saving. Thank you for that - this'll help contribute to the Intel CPU & motherboard over the AMD. I've only one question, and that's about international import & export fees. Will this jack up the price from ~$135 to ~$180+? Because I have noticed that hardware is considerably more expensive in my country than in the US :cry: . If not, then thanks! :love: 



    When I say that my budget is ~$1000, I say that because I know that I'm more than likely going to go overboard by ~$200, and if I do go overboard, at least my "grace budget" hasn't been broken. So with that in mind, I think I can squeeze in the i7.

    While we're on the topic of enthusiast v.s. gamer, would someone be able to help clarify the difference? I've always pictured a gamer as someone who wants to play games at the best possible settings, but with a reasonable budget, and an enthusiast as someone who likes to overkill the graphics and have an unlimited or an unrealistic budget.




    Finally the case. It looks good, and I haven't had a chance to compare the three as of yet, but seeing as I've saved at least $85, possibly up to $135 thanks to the PSU (and you too :p ), I'll have some cash handy to either:

    A) Go towards a better box
    B) Go towards a bigger monitor (but the cash will keep growing until I get the room)
    C) Just be saved to make my machine cheaper


    Oh one last thing: what was your final paragraph in relation to? It kind of confused me. Sorry.



    dndhatcher said:
    If money isnt an issue then go for the i7 920, an x58 motherboard and a 3x2GB low voltage DDR3 RAM kit.


    For graphics processing 1440x900 ~ 1.3 million but 1920x1200 ~ 2.3 million so your resolution requires only about 56% of the GPU power to achieve the same frame rates as on good widescreen LCD. Depending on the game, at 1920x1200 a 5850 goes anywhere from a pleasantly playable 50 FPS to being processor bottlenecked and the 5870 is 15-20% faster. Your monitor also probably doesnt refresh faster than 60Hz anyway so any FPS over 60 wont do anything for you. Here is a benchmarking that includes lots of GPU models at various resolutions on several games:
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] re/15.html


    I dont know of any problems with a seagate 7200.12 1TB HDD. Just dont go for the 1.5TB 7200.11, well or for anything less than a 7200.12. Seagate had some substantial firmware issues with some of those older models.


    Good explanation about the GPU - thanks! While money is an issue, I am flexible (as said above), and am strongly considering the i7 920. Is there any benefit with 6GB RAM over 4GB?

    Finally, the only reason I'd rather go with a Samsung over a Seagate is the pricing - Samsung is about $20 cheaper on online stores, but I'm rather skeptical about online stores and hardware (warranty, etc.) and prefer to buy it myself, physically.

    Anyway, that's it for now - thanks again to all who've helped!

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 8, 2009 4:28:38 PM

    rider_eragon said:
    Looks good! This post won't be nearly as long as the second.

    You didn't really answer my question about the GPU and resolution (but not to worry - it was answered by DNDHATCHER), but you did clear something up that has been a little thorn in my side for about a month now: the "overkill" bit. So long as overkill is me not being able to use the full grunt of the card, and not the card causing problems with the machine, I'm happy (sometimes, I get paranoid over stuff that I do know the answer to). It doesn't solve the issue about what to get, but at least I know that overkill isn't machinekill too :bounce: .



    Moving on to the PSU, I did the conversion rate, and you are correct - there's a further $50 saving. Thank you for that - this'll help contribute to the Intel CPU & motherboard over the AMD. I've only one question, and that's about international import & export fees. Will this jack up the price from ~$135 to ~$180+? Because I have noticed that hardware is considerably more expensive in my country than in the US :cry: . If not, then thanks! :love: 



    When I say that my budget is ~$1000, I say that because I know that I'm more than likely going to go overboard by ~$200, and if I do go overboard, at least my "grace budget" hasn't been broken. So with that in mind, I think I can squeeze in the i7.

    While we're on the topic of enthusiast v.s. gamer, would someone be able to help clarify the difference? I've always pictured a gamer as someone who wants to play games at the best possible settings, but with a reasonable budget, and an enthusiast as someone who likes to overkill the graphics and have an unlimited or an unrealistic budget.




    Finally the case. It looks good, and I haven't had a chance to compare the three as of yet, but seeing as I've saved at least $85, possibly up to $135 thanks to the PSU (and you too :p ), I'll have some cash handy to either:

    A) Go towards a better box
    B) Go towards a bigger monitor (but the cash will keep growing until I get the room)
    C) Just be saved to make my machine cheaper


    Oh one last thing: what was your final paragraph in relation to? It kind of confused me. Sorry.





    Good explanation about the GPU - thanks! While money is an issue, I am flexible (as said above), and am strongly considering the i7 920. Is there any benefit with 6GB RAM over 4GB?

    Finally, the only reason I'd rather go with a Samsung over a Seagate is the pricing - Samsung is about $20 cheaper on online stores, but I'm rather skeptical about online stores and hardware (warranty, etc.) and prefer to buy it myself, physically.

    Anyway, that's it for now - thanks again to all who've helped!

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon




    Oh one last thing: what was your final paragraph in relation to? It kind of confused me. Sorry.

    I was talking about this
    Quote:
    Finally (for this post), the HDD. I chose a 1TB for the amount of programs and games that I'm wanting to install - I've only got two games installed ATM on my two HDDs, and almost both are used up. I'd prefer a Samsung, but none of my suppliers can get me one (how sad and how strange). Perhaps I'll need to go international.


    and I said you could go with the 500gb that i posted on my build now and then buy a external HHD as needed, definitely a much cheaper option.

    and last, the machine i build its really good all around,Intel i5 paired wit ATI HD5850, I wish, you dont need more than that, just save the money, or buy a better case,I recomend this ( http://www.crazypc.com/products/pc-k62-81362B.html ) for that price, damn. 1 more thing, actually one more question , Do you think you can get better price performance than the build i posted?, true is you dont need i7 for gaming , it does help if you run heavy rendering programs like MAYA, otherwise the i5 even got better FPS than the PII965 and i7 860 in many tittles plus you can get to 4.00GHz like nothing, what else is there to it, question is what do you want for the less amount of money? if you ask me i5 and 5850 for $1000, bite it.
    October 8, 2009 4:35:06 PM

    For gaming 4GB is all you really need.

    RE gamer vs. enthusiast:
    An enthusiast is a gamer who is willing to pay twice as much for a 25% speed increase
    October 9, 2009 6:32:52 AM

    Firstly
    i7 920 => lga 1366 => triple channel ram, so therefore 3gb, 6gb, 12gb (6 is best option) - always ddr3 under 1.65v
    i7 860, 870, i5 750 => lga 1156 => dual channel ram, so 2gb, 4gb, 8gb (4gb is best, unless ur high scale video encoding) - ddr3, 1.65V

    i7 920:
    There is no question about an i7 920. You would only get one for the hyperthreading (HT) ability and the extra ram. As you are gaming, you don't need this, especially if u are overclocking, as OC normally turns HT off (saves 10C). I don't know about game creating, but i'm pretty sure i5 will be more than enough.

    CPU and GPU:
    As snakej said, i5 and 5850 is truly your best option. The processor has no chance of bottlenecking your GPU, and the GPU is extremely overkill for your monitor, but will allow you for a 1920x**** monitor in the close future, with nice high settings.
    (If you don't plan on new monitor in the next 1/2-1 years, scrap the 5850 and get a 4870 1GB version)

    HDD:
    Go with the seagate 7200.12 1TB version, plenty of room for you, and you'll won't need to upgrade for the next 5+ years.

    PSU:
    hmmmm....depends what your going with:
    if ur going i5+4870, then 650w will be enough (corsair, antec), escpecially for XFire and Overclocking
    if i5+5850, then i have no clue....what do the experts think here??!! <-------------------------^^^^^<----------------------
    Only Question
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    CASE:
    This Lian Li that someone linked is awesome....its around 400aud here, so its a bargain wherever you found it :)  (which Aus was this cheap :S)
    Lian-Li Lancool Dragon Lord PC-K62 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case
    http://www.crazypc.com/products/pc-k62-81362B.html

    much better cooling, and more space than the Antec 200/300....and looks better too

    Motherboard:
    Gigabyte p55-ud3r => for the i5+5850 = no need for extra sockets which you won't use
    Gigabyte p55-ud4p => use this if you are going i5+4870, and will X-Fire in the future. You'll need another faster PCI-E 2.0 slot.
    both offer good overclocking capabilities.

    RAM:
    look for some G.Skill Ripjaw ram if u can find some. It's really cheap here, but if its not there, look for 1600mhz Cl8 (CL7 if not too expensive) dual channel ddr3 ram. make sure its 1.65v or less.

    CPU Cooler:
    this one has already been recommended. good brand, good reviews for the lga1156 socket
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


    -----------------------------------------------

    That took a long time. I really think i5 750 is the way to go, especially in your case. Sorry bout the long post. :D 

    MICK

    October 9, 2009 6:44:09 PM

    A 5850 takes less power than a 4870. Both will run on a 500W power supply and theoretically crossfire two on a 600 (but I would go at least 650 for extra power to overclock with). That assumes a good quality PSU. The amperage on good PSU often makes them as effective as a medoicre PSU 100W bigger. Corsairs PSU in particular seems to be underrated based on wattage alone.

    You are comapring that Lian LI Dragon to Antec cases that cost half as much so of course its better. The 900 and 902 are slightly less expensive but larger than the Dragon. It does look like a good case with good airflow, but it just has a high price tag.
    October 9, 2009 11:41:49 PM

    ok....so whatever build you go with,

    PSU
    corsair 650tx = enough headroom to OC, and crossfire, but it'll need more PCI-E cables for the GPUs.
    I think the corsair 750tx is better, but is $30 more, but its up to you. Who would x-fire 5850's anyways :D 
    (unless you can find extra cables to connect, i don't know about this. 650w-52A on 12V, 750w-60A on 12V)

    Case
    Ahhh.....sorry....i thought the cases were around the same price (AUD stuffs up against USD :S)
    of course its better, but you still need a good airflow case for the components. i don't think the cheaper antec 200/300 will have that for you :( 
    but at $79.99 (with extra $10.00 rebate), the Xigmatek Midgard looks pretty nice. put another 140mm in the top, and your flying. Good find snakej.

    Fans
    I don't think you'll need them, but there cheap
    XIGMATEK XLF-F1453 140mm 4 white LED LED Case Fan - Retail $12.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Fit nicely in with the rest of your case, tho it will pop the price up a bit. Only needed if you want more airflow, which you may if going x-fire.

    MICK


    October 9, 2009 11:50:23 PM

    The antec 300 illusion includes two front 120mm fans in addition to the rear 120 and top 140 (and can have an optional 120mm side fan for the GPU area). You wont get much better at the below $70 price point.

    The Midgard looks pretty nice if you add and extra fan or two. The only issue is the side fan/vent is over the CPU not the GPU. A fan there would interfere with a 120mm tower cooler and the GPU is what you really need the side air vent to help cool.
    October 10, 2009 12:29:28 AM

    hmmmm.....you beat me again DND :D 
    Definitely go with the antec 300 illusion. 3x 120mm and 1x 140mm fans will cool it well, and antec is renowned for their good cases.

    anything else i have wrong DND? :D 
    October 11, 2009 1:25:03 AM

    micky_lund said:
    Firstly
    i7 920 => lga 1366 => triple channel ram, so therefore 3gb, 6gb, 12gb (6 is best option) - always ddr3 under 1.65v
    i7 860, 870, i5 750 => lga 1156 => dual channel ram, so 2gb, 4gb, 8gb (4gb is best, unless ur high scale video encoding) - ddr3, 1.65V

    i7 920:
    There is no question about an i7 920. You would only get one for the hyperthreading (HT) ability and the extra ram. As you are gaming, you don't need this, especially if u are overclocking, as OC normally turns HT off (saves 10C). I don't know about game creating, but i'm pretty sure i5 will be more than enough.

    CPU and GPU:
    As snakej said, i5 and 5850 is truly your best option. The processor has no chance of bottlenecking your GPU, and the GPU is extremely overkill for your monitor, but will allow you for a 1920x**** monitor in the close future, with nice high settings.
    (If you don't plan on new monitor in the next 1/2-1 years, scrap the 5850 and get a 4870 1GB version)

    HDD:
    Go with the seagate 7200.12 1TB version, plenty of room for you, and you'll won't need to upgrade for the next 5+ years.

    PSU:
    hmmmm....depends what your going with:
    if ur going i5+4870, then 650w will be enough (corsair, antec), escpecially for XFire and Overclocking
    if i5+5850, then i have no clue....what do the experts think here??!! <-------------------------^^^^^<----------------------
    Only Question
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    CASE:
    This Lian Li that someone linked is awesome....its around 400aud here, so its a bargain wherever you found it :)  (which Aus was this cheap :S)
    Lian-Li Lancool Dragon Lord PC-K62 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case
    http://www.crazypc.com/products/pc-k62-81362B.html

    much better cooling, and more space than the Antec 200/300....and looks better too

    Motherboard:
    Gigabyte p55-ud3r => for the i5+5850 = no need for extra sockets which you won't use
    Gigabyte p55-ud4p => use this if you are going i5+4870, and will X-Fire in the future. You'll need another faster PCI-E 2.0 slot.
    both offer good overclocking capabilities.

    RAM:
    look for some G.Skill Ripjaw ram if u can find some. It's really cheap here, but if its not there, look for 1600mhz Cl8 (CL7 if not too expensive) dual channel ddr3 ram. make sure its 1.65v or less.

    CPU Cooler:
    this one has already been recommended. good brand, good reviews for the lga1156 socket
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


    -----------------------------------------------

    That took a long time. I really think i5 750 is the way to go, especially in your case. Sorry bout the long post. :D 

    MICK


    Lengthy posts are good. No need to apologise :p .

    A quick question continuing: With an i7 920, because the CPU normally clocks at 2.66GHz, will I need to OC to 3.2+GHz in order to play Crysis and the like?

    CPU

    Well to start, tri-channel RAM is an interesting theory. Are there any benefits to it, even on 64-bit? Just FTR I won't buy a CPU based on the RAM channeling.



    Well what would hyperthreading be mainly used for? Once I know this, I can make a definite decision.


    Now, I've got a question that involves the i5 750, i7 860 and the i7 920:

    The clock speeds of the 750 and the 920, they are both 2.66GHz. Theoretically, with tri-channeling 6GB RAM and hyperthreading, the 920 would win. But the 860 is 2.88GHz. Now, me being more of a software-literate person than a hardware-literate person, this is where I'm more than likely going to make a blunder. Would 2.66GHz tri-channeling 6GB RAM beat 2.88GHz dual-channeling 4GB RAM?




    GPU:


    "...The processor has no chance of bottlenecking your GPU..." What does this mean?

    Also, purely as a value for money thing, even with a 24-6" screen at max resolution, would the 5850 or the 4890 be the winner?

    :hello:  Also, I'd be crazy enough to have Xfired 5850s :pt1cable: . Just not until the prices come back to earth :D .



    HDD:

    Thank you.



    PSU

    Well, I've battered it down to a 750W PSU, and I'd absolutely love to bring it down even more, but is a Crossfired machine going to live with a 650W? Because I'd LOVE to get it back as close to 500W as possible (originally, I had a 500W in mind - before you all start, I've never owned a machine that could comprehend the Super Pi app before :kaola: ), and 650W would be excellent. With a 4890 Xfire however, would the machine run?

    Also, I've found a Coolermaster Extreme Power Plus 650W at ~$100 v.s. a Thermaltake EVO Blue Gaming 650W at ~$160 v.s. a Thermaltake EVO Blue Gaming 750W at ~$185 v.s. the 750W Corsair that snakej mentioned at ~$150. Seeing as the Coolermaster is ~$50 cheaper than the Corsair, will it hold its own against the might of a battering ram of a quad-core Xfire-ed machine with the dual cards being as much as the 4890 (seeing as both the 4870 and the 5850 draw less than the 4890, I've put that in the equation, simply because two would be the worst possible power consumption combination - save for 2+ 4870X2)?



    Case

    AU$400? Whoa, that's a little steep. I'm now looking at that, as it does seem like a better case (and if I save yet another ~$50 on the PSU, why not?). It's a little cheaper where I am, at only ~$175. Sure, it's ~$100 more expensive than the Antec 200, but for better cooling, why not.

    Just one question. PC-K62 v.s. Antec 902. What's better? As the the 902 is only ~$150, making a $25 saving.

    Also, with the number of fans, will 650W be able to pull it?



    Motherboard

    I don't have time now, but as soon as I get the chance, I'll take a look myself. Thanks :) .



    RAM

    4GB G.Skill Ripjaw sells for ~$120 where I am. That's ~$20 cheaper than the Patriot-Gaming RAM, although my supplier has placed them in the 1156 pin section. As I'm now in limbo about my CPU (not a good thing), will the Ripjaw work with the 1366 pin CPUs?


    Cooling

    For now, because I won't be going Xfire for some months (I'll wait until the GPU prices return to earth - probably 12 months away though - just in time for Crysis 2 :D ), I'll deal with this then. But thanks anyway :p .





    Sorry about the long wait before this reply - I was on holidays.

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 11, 2009 1:34:55 AM

    The big thing for PSUs and crossfire is to look at how many PCIE power cables it has. If it has 4 then the manufacturer says it can handle two GPUs. There are some 650s that have 4 PCIE cables. The Antec Truepower new TP650 and the Corsair HX650 both will. Both of those quality 650s have more amps on their 12V rails than some 750W PSUs.
    October 11, 2009 5:50:15 AM

    Hyperthreading:
    The i7 860, 870 and 920 all have hyperthreading, and it is used for multitasking and heavy encoding. If you enable it, the temperatures will rise by 10C, and this will limit your 24/7 overclocking abilities.
    Brief un-useful rundown (I suggest looking elsewhere), but it does explain some under 'Performance'
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthreading
    I suggest that if you are just gaming, i5 is better. Its cheaper, and does a great job.

    Bottlenecking
    Bottlenecking is where the slower part of your system slows down the faster parts. For example, no matter what GPU is in place, an i7 with 256mb ram is bottlenecked. And a 5870 with a pentium 4 is bottlenecked, as they are not both good parts.
    But with your rig, an i5 will not bottleneck a 5850, nor bottleneck 2 of them in x-fire (im pretty sure), and i suggest 5850 and i5 for gaming.

    Case
    I'm pretty sure the Antec 300 illusion will suffice for your needs, tho if you have the extra cash, the Lian-Li wouldn't hurt. But don't get it if you have to skimp on quality PSU. The PSU will have enough cables for the fans on bascially any case. The silverstone 75EF has 6 peripheral cords, so it can run 6 fans, and also another 3 (if they are plugged into the motherboard), a total of 9 all up

    GPU
    5*** series is the way of the future. Has dx11 and runs cooler and more efficiently than the 4890. You pay a bit of a premium now of course, cause its new. But i recommend it, cause you may want to x-fire it down the road (y i don't know :p  Some people are crazy :pt1cable:  )
    It also beats the 4890 hands-down in Crysis in frames/second.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...
    Purely, value for money, tom's hardware suggests 4890, but it depends where you are. In your case, $160 is a massive difference, and I didn't see that b4. In my case its under $50, so I'm going 5850. But for you, I think that you should go 4890. You could get x-fire 4890 for $80 more than 1 5850.
    It's a really big trade-off. Better fps,temps,power vs. cost. I believe that in your case, the cost wins. Go for $4890, and when you get the new monitor, x-fire them. (i did this later, so disregard where i said 5850. put in your build 4890)

    PSU
    Corsair 650tx will not be alright for your rig. Tom's Hardware did a test, and at full load, with 2x 5850 and i7 OCed to 4ghz, the system used 469W at load.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...
    So a good quality 650W should be fine, but it needs alot of 6, 6+2 or 8 pin connectors. The corsair only has 2x 6+2pin connectors. It could power it the dual card setup, but it needs more cables. Look for SilverStone ST75EF (750W), rated as Tier 1 on the PSU tier lists, and it 4x8pin PCI-E connectors, and 1x 6pin connector. 60A on single 12V rail, and 6 peripheral connectors.
    http://www.mwave.com.au/newAU/mwaveAU/productdetail.asp...


    RAM
    The i7 920 (1366) needs triple channel ram, no matter what. 3gb or 6gb, or 12gb. No 4gb with the i7 920.
    The i7 860, 870 or i5 750 all use the lga 1156 socket. Therefore, they only use Dual-channel ram. so 2gb, 4gb or 8gb.
    Basically, your 4GB ripjaws will work (right voltage), but greatly bottleneck any lga 1366 processor. So don't get it for i7 920. Get some triple-channel 1600mhz (Cl 8 or Cl7) ram instead for lga 1366 sockets.

    Cooling
    Is all in your case. Get a better case, and then spend less on internal cooling. Simple as that. I don't think you'll need extra GPU cooling, as they run cooler than ALL others for their performance. So if you want better cooling, spend more on a case to start with, and then don't worry about it. Cranks the fans up during summer, slow them down during winter.
    The only other thing is the CPU cooler. If you want to overclock, I suggest getting one, especially for over 3.2ghz on 24/7 settings. Coolermaster, Noctua, Xigmatek and ThermalRight are renowned for their coolers. Just make sure if fits the 1156 socket :D 

    Motherboard
    As the same review has shown, x-fire 5850 on the p55 board has no major defecit to x8/x8 scaling. In some areas, it actually increases (which is weird). I beleive that if your budget can spare it, and if you are going x-fire shortly, go with a motherboard which has x16/x8 so the GPU isn't bottlenecked, so it runs dual-card configuration at x8/x8.
    My suggestion is the Gigabyte p55-ud4, or the p55-ud4p. Both have a x16/x8, so they are good. Asus P7P55D also has a x16/x8, but i don't know whether it has Sli like the others have. (all have x-fire)
    (Also note that with this test above (^^^), the processor overclocked showed a much greater improvement)


    Another long post to me
    MICK


    NB: Please read it twice, so you don't ask answers (especially about the RAM) that i've already answered
    [/b]
    October 11, 2009 8:30:43 PM

    micky_lund said:

    PSU
    Corsair 650tx will not be alright for your rig. Tom's Hardware did a test, and at full load, with 2x 5850 and i7 OCed to 4ghz, the system used 469W at load.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...
    So a good quality 650W should be fine, but it needs alot of 6, 6+2 or 8 pin connectors. The corsair only has 2x 6+2pin connectors. It could power it the dual card setup, but it needs more cables.
    Notice I said the 650 HX model which has 4 pcie power cables and is modular for a cleaner install. I would never choose a Silverstone PSU over a Corsair.
    October 11, 2009 9:38:52 PM

    ahhhh....i thought i couldn't remember it properly. And theres nothing wrong with the SolverStone PSU, its just more costly for his needs. Go with the Corsair 650hx (as dndhatcher said), as it has enough cables and enough Amps on the 12V rail.
    soz dnd

    MICK
    October 16, 2009 10:38:52 AM

    micky_lund said:
    Hyperthreading:
    The i7 860, 870 and 920 all have hyperthreading, and it is used for multitasking and heavy encoding. If you enable it, the temperatures will rise by 10C, and this will limit your 24/7 overclocking abilities.
    Brief un-useful rundown (I suggest looking elsewhere), but it does explain some under 'Performance'
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthreading
    I suggest that if you are just gaming, i5 is better. Its cheaper, and does a great job.

    Bottlenecking
    Bottlenecking is where the slower part of your system slows down the faster parts. For example, no matter what GPU is in place, an i7 with 256mb ram is bottlenecked. And a 5870 with a pentium 4 is bottlenecked, as they are not both good parts.
    But with your rig, an i5 will not bottleneck a 5850, nor bottleneck 2 of them in x-fire (im pretty sure), and i suggest 5850 and i5 for gaming.

    Case
    I'm pretty sure the Antec 300 illusion will suffice for your needs, tho if you have the extra cash, the Lian-Li wouldn't hurt. But don't get it if you have to skimp on quality PSU. The PSU will have enough cables for the fans on bascially any case. The silverstone 75EF has 6 peripheral cords, so it can run 6 fans, and also another 3 (if they are plugged into the motherboard), a total of 9 all up

    GPU
    5*** series is the way of the future. Has dx11 and runs cooler and more efficiently than the 4890. You pay a bit of a premium now of course, cause its new. But i recommend it, cause you may want to x-fire it down the road (y i don't know :p  Some people are crazy :pt1cable:  )
    It also beats the 4890 hands-down in Crysis in frames/second.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...
    Purely, value for money, tom's hardware suggests 4890, but it depends where you are. In your case, $160 is a massive difference, and I didn't see that b4. In my case its under $50, so I'm going 5850. But for you, I think that you should go 4890. You could get x-fire 4890 for $80 more than 1 5850.
    It's a really big trade-off. Better fps,temps,power vs. cost. I believe that in your case, the cost wins. Go for $4890, and when you get the new monitor, x-fire them. (i did this later, so disregard where i said 5850. put in your build 4890)

    PSU
    Corsair 650tx will not be alright for your rig. Tom's Hardware did a test, and at full load, with 2x 5850 and i7 OCed to 4ghz, the system used 469W at load.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...
    So a good quality 650W should be fine, but it needs alot of 6, 6+2 or 8 pin connectors. The corsair only has 2x 6+2pin connectors. It could power it the dual card setup, but it needs more cables. Look for SilverStone ST75EF (750W), rated as Tier 1 on the PSU tier lists, and it 4x8pin PCI-E connectors, and 1x 6pin connector. 60A on single 12V rail, and 6 peripheral connectors.
    http://www.mwave.com.au/newAU/mwaveAU/productdetail.asp...


    RAM
    The i7 920 (1366) needs triple channel ram, no matter what. 3gb or 6gb, or 12gb. No 4gb with the i7 920.
    The i7 860, 870 or i5 750 all use the lga 1156 socket. Therefore, they only use Dual-channel ram. so 2gb, 4gb or 8gb.
    Basically, your 4GB ripjaws will work (right voltage), but greatly bottleneck any lga 1366 processor. So don't get it for i7 920. Get some triple-channel 1600mhz (Cl 8 or Cl7) ram instead for lga 1366 sockets.

    Cooling
    Is all in your case. Get a better case, and then spend less on internal cooling. Simple as that. I don't think you'll need extra GPU cooling, as they run cooler than ALL others for their performance. So if you want better cooling, spend more on a case to start with, and then don't worry about it. Cranks the fans up during summer, slow them down during winter.
    The only other thing is the CPU cooler. If you want to overclock, I suggest getting one, especially for over 3.2ghz on 24/7 settings. Coolermaster, Noctua, Xigmatek and ThermalRight are renowned for their coolers. Just make sure if fits the 1156 socket :D 

    Motherboard
    As the same review has shown, x-fire 5850 on the p55 board has no major defecit to x8/x8 scaling. In some areas, it actually increases (which is weird). I beleive that if your budget can spare it, and if you are going x-fire shortly, go with a motherboard which has x16/x8 so the GPU isn't bottlenecked, so it runs dual-card configuration at x8/x8.
    My suggestion is the Gigabyte p55-ud4, or the p55-ud4p. Both have a x16/x8, so they are good. Asus P7P55D also has a x16/x8, but i don't know whether it has Sli like the others have. (all have x-fire)
    (Also note that with this test above (^^^), the processor overclocked showed a much greater improvement)


    Another long post to me
    MICK


    NB: Please read it twice, so you don't ask answers (especially about the RAM) that i've already answered
    [/b]

    OK, thank you - you've been really enlightening. I've read this post so many times now, it isn't funny. I've wanted to get my questions straight, before pouncing, so sorry for my late reply :( .

    Hyperthreading

    OK, after a little bit of research, hyperthreading might just be for me. However, there is the issue of it being +10C and the fact that regardless of me buying the 860 or the 920, I will need to OC to play Crysis. So this means that I'll need some damn good cooling - such as the Coolermaster V8 (about $120). And thanks to that, I may as well whack on a +200W to compensate for the power drain of both the OC-ed HTT i7 AND the V8 :( . So that's +$100 there (actually, that's an Antec TPQ 1000W, which was ~$10 more than the 850W). I think the i5 might be the way to go - unless I can bend my budget to around $1500 (won't need a V8 for OC-ed HTT, and something cheaper would be nice).

    Just another question concerning the i7s - during my research, I found out about this Turbo Mode. Would an 860 with maxed-out Turbo Mode (667MHz) and dual-channeled 4GB RAM be able to outperform a 920 with maxed-out Turbo Mode (266MHz) with tri-channeled 6GB RAM?

    I'm curious, as if I do go i7 in the end, I'd like to know if a 1156 pin CPU can out do a 1366 pin CPU.




    Bottlenecking

    Yep, understand this theory completely. I just didn't know the "official" name for it.




    Case

    I've changed from the Antec 200 to the Antec 300.





    GPU

    OK, I've put a lot of thought into this, and I really, really want a DirectX 11 card. If I have to go with a 4890, I will, but I'd rather a GPU capable of making the Super Pi a 3D image (FTR, I've never actually used the Super Pi - only read about it on Wikipedia). Now please don't say that I should wait for the 57xx Series, as I may get room for a new monitor within the next two years (if I get the room). Then I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, as I won't have the grunt I'd like.

    But I've also done some research on the new GeForce 300 Series coming out next month (or the month after - whichever), and they look like they could challenge ATi's best. I've looked at prices, and the GTX 360 seems to compete with the 5850, and I strongly believe that the prices will drop rapidly, as there will be so many DirectX 11 cards on the market by then (however, supply and demand is another issue).

    I'm crazy enough to go SLI/Crossfire with such cards, as I know that one day, there will be a game that my rig (however powerful) won't be able to support - so SLI/Crossfire is my solution.

    I'm going to wait for TH's review on the new nVidia cards (I'll probably get the rig sometime after this anyway).




    PSU

    Well, this is dependent on what CPU I get. If I get an i5 or a Phenom II (still a nice price-alternative), I'll probably go for a 750W - purely to be on the safe side (Also, at +$10, it's a worth investment). But IF I go with an i7, I'll probably go with that 1000W I mentioned earlier.




    RAM

    Well this was a thorn between two roses. It's now influencing my decision about whether or not I get the 1366 pin over the 1156 pin. What's the reason as to why the 1366 pin needs <1.35v RAM?




    CPU Cooling

    The V8 looks nice, but I'm still searching. I've also got the Coolermaster Hyper 212 , which is about $70 cheaper. If I get an i5, I'd use the 212, and if I get an i7, I'd use the V8. I see no need for a cooling unit for the Phenom II, as I don't think I'd OC it.



    Motherboard

    OK, this is the best bit. I'm a Gigabyte-only man (ASUS is good, but they're too expensive). If I go with a 1156 pin, it'll either be the UD4P or the UD5. If I go with a 1366 pin, it'll be the UD3R (nothing else - cost effective and good).




    Current Verdict

    Today's prices came in (all with 4890s, both i7s have a 1kW PSU, whereas the rest are 750W and all are rounded to the nearest $5):

    Phenom II 955: $1175
    Phenom II 965: $1190
    i5 + UD4P + CM Hyper 212: $1234 (pretty neat, eh?)
    i7 + UD4P + CM V8: $1515
    i7 + UD3R + CM V8 + 6GB RAM: $1615

    Given that these prices are all with 4890s, I won't even bother with the 5850, as they all break the budget (hopefully I can stretch it just that little bit extra to get an Intel CPU). But the Phenom II + 5850 is a nice combination (too bad Intel CPUs at the same clock speed are 30% faster by default):

    955 + 5850: $1315
    965 + 5850: $1330
    i5 + 5850 + Hyper 212: $1372


    Of course, I'd need to pray that the 5850 comes down in price as the 300 Series arrives (hopefully Ati will reduce nVidia's prices too :p ).



    So at the moment, if I were to purchase this very week (which sadly, I won't :( ), I'd either end up with an i5 or 965. GPU-wise however, makes it a little touchy. That'd depend on the CPU I got (965 + 5850; i5 + 4890).






    So there you have it. A long post about me telling you my latest thoughts, and asking a few questions.

    Anyway, thanks for all of the help you've given me so far, and I thank God for not letting my power cut out while typing this monster of a post.

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 16, 2009 4:21:57 PM

    Where are you getting prices and models on GT300 series cards? Thats a speculative fantasyland right now.

    Why did you pair the CPU/GPU up that way? If you want a cheaper option than a 5850 the 5770 is now out and readily available. Its about as fast as a 4870 and uses alot less power in addition to dx11 and eyefinity.


    Coolermaster V8 is not that great of a cooler. The Xigmatek HDT-S1283 and HDT-S1283V (Dark Knight) as well as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 are as good or better for cheaper. The V8 is overpriced because of its looks.


    There is no reason to go 1000W unless you are going for 3 graphics cards. The top notch 850W PSUs (like Corsair, who relatively underrates their PSUs) have 6 PCIE power cables because they can also handle 3 GPUs and overclocking. IF you stick with the newer 5000 series GPUs they use LESS power than previous generations so you have more leeway for a lower wattage PSU.


    Both i5/P55 and i7/x50 use low voltage 1.5-1.65V RAM. There is no difference. The 955/AM3 (dont waste money on a 965) can use the higher voltage 1.7-1.9V RAM. Never heard of 1.35V.


    i7, 5850, hyper 212 should be the great performing combo
    October 17, 2009 1:28:23 AM

    dndhatcher said:
    Where are you getting prices and models on GT300 series cards? Thats a speculative fantasyland right now.

    Why did you pair the CPU/GPU up that way? If you want a cheaper option than a 5850 the 5770 is now out and readily available. Its about as fast as a 4870 and uses alot less power in addition to dx11 and eyefinity.


    Coolermaster V8 is not that great of a cooler. The Xigmatek HDT-S1283 and HDT-S1283V (Dark Knight) as well as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 are as good or better for cheaper. The V8 is overpriced because of its looks.


    There is no reason to go 1000W unless you are going for 3 graphics cards. The top notch 850W PSUs (like Corsair, who relatively underrates their PSUs) have 6 PCIE power cables because they can also handle 3 GPUs and overclocking. IF you stick with the newer 5000 series GPUs they use LESS power than previous generations so you have more leeway for a lower wattage PSU.


    Both i5/P55 and i7/x50 use low voltage 1.5-1.65V RAM. There is no difference. The 955/AM3 (dont waste money on a 965) can use the higher voltage 1.7-1.9V RAM. Never heard of 1.35V.


    i7, 5850, hyper 212 should be the great performing combo


    GPU

    OK, to start, I've only gotten very general stats about the 300 Series, and "prices". I got them from Wikipedia's Comparison of nVidia GPUs. I know it's not reliable, but wouldn't it give a very general indication as to whether or not nVidia is going to step up and match Ati? Perhaps I am in fantasy land.

    Hmm.... 5770. Even though it's got similar raw grunt to a 4870 (nice review here), I want a card that could support me if I do get a bigger and better monitor. You need to remember that I want this computer to last as much as five years, with me only having to buy a new monitor (fingers crossed, and I'll have the space :D ) or more RAM, if need be (a long stretch, yes - that's why I need to get it right the first time). I know most of you'll think that I'm nuts, but I don't like upgrading every few years, even if it's only an addition, such as RAM.



    CPU Cooling

    Well, the V8 was recommended by a friend who works at a computer store. But is the Hyper 212 really able to cool a HTT-enabled & +800MHz OCed i7 920? I took a look at those Xigmatek coolers, and they have the AMD Phenom II sticker on them. I know that they support the i7, but do they perform better on AMDs, or is that just sponsoring? I also checked my supplier's page, and sadly, they don't stock either - which isn't good, because my supplier has almost-wholesale prices :( .


    PSU

    I don't believe in 3-way SLI/X-fire: I've read way too many reports on how they cause more problems than they fix. I only ever went with a 1kW PSU because my supplier had the additional 150W for $6 more (at my supplier, I've got a choice of Antec, Coolermaster, Thermaltake and no-name brands such as SuperFlower). With cooling, possible HTT and OC-ing (if I do go with Intel), would a 750W be able to cope with such a flogging, or should I jack it up by another 100W (at +$100)?



    EDIT: I have just found another supplier with similar prices, and they have the Corsair HX-850W and the TX-850W both at $275 v.s. Antec's TPQ 850W at $270. I take it that Corsair is the better brand, but their prices are the same as the Antec TPQ 1kW. Anything to alter the balance there?


    RAM

    To start, my 1.35v was a typo. But if there's no difference between the RAM, why bother to reduce its voltage? Also, at +$20, I figured that I could use the extra 200HMz. Maybe not.



    Verdict

    The i7 + 5850 + Hyper 212 + Antec TP 750W sounds like a very, very fun combo, but unfortunately, my Excel spreadsheet says that it costs way too much at $1480. Believe me, if I could stretch the buck that far, I would.

    I know that in two months, everything is probably going to be $20-40 cheaper (and with eight separate components, that's $160-$320, averaged to $240), which could make it as low as $1160, but my hopes aren't that high (it'll probably be around $1320).


    But at the current prices, the i5 + 5850 + Hyper 212 Plus seems like a better option.


    But, seeing as I won't need to spend so much on a cooling system, and possibly (as of this post) a PSU, I can dream just that little bit more.



    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 17, 2009 6:21:14 AM

    Does anyone find the second and third post funny? It is 2 in the morning so I am tired but let me take you guys back to the beginning:

    Question: Are you planing to get a no monitor soon ?

    Response: I'm using the same one that I'm using now.

    :D 

    You guys made my night...with good info and good laughs.

    :D 
    October 17, 2009 12:46:38 PM

    I just re-compared the Xigmatek HDT-S1283V, and it seems to be the best one (well, the HDT-S1283 was the best, but sadly, it doesn't support 1156, 1366 or AM3 sockets - no idea why it's got the Phenom II X4 seal of approval on it :S).

    Also, at a handy $70.00, it certainly beats the V8 (which, when re-priced at a more reasonable store, came to a nicer, but still expensive $95) hands down.

    And to be on the safe side, I compared it against the Hyper 212 Plus, and it beat it hands down.

    So for a $20 increase from the Hyper 212 to the Xigmatek HDT-S1283V, it seems like a nice change.

    My only concern is the heat pipes: the Xigmatek HDT-S1283V only had three, while all of the Cooler Masters had 4+ (hell, the V8 had 8 of them! I guess that's why they call it the "V8"). Will three pipes be enough to bring down everything by at least 20C? Because I've heard stories of OC-ed CPUs going up by as much as 20C (is this true?). Sure, I'm forgetting the fast fans, and the fins, etc., but I'm curious to know if they compensate for 1 - 5 fans difference.


    :o  I made a short post!

    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 18, 2009 6:34:11 AM

    Do you live by a micro center ?

    The i5 750 is 149.99 there i put together a i5 750 + HD 5850 rig for 1026 that was tax and shipping


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    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
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    COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
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    Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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    Subtotal: $225.96
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    Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel Core i7 and Core i5 - CORSAIR VALUE SELECT
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    Micro center

    Order Summary - Ready for Pickup:
    Date: 5:11 AM on Oct 17 2009
    SKU DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE PER TOTAL
    291153 GA-P55-UD4P Socket 1156 P55 ATX Motherboard 1 $169.99 $169.99
    292151 Core i5 750 Processor Boxed 1 $149.99 $149.99
    Subtotal » $319.98
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    ________________________________________
    ORDER TOTAL » $347.98



    1018.06 + HSF forgot that

    quantity of item 1
    XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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    XIGMATEK ACK-I5361 Intel Core i7/Core i5 compatible Bracket Set - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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    October 18, 2009 3:15:13 PM

    Dear customer,

    Thank you for your support in purchasing and considering Xigmatek products.

    The i5 brackets is currently available at our e-tailer partner Aerocooler.com.

    http://www.aerocooler.com/shop.cart?action=ITEM&prod_id...

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    said:
    Dear customer,

    Thank you for your support in purchasing and considering Xigmatek products.

    The i5 brackets is currently available at our e-tailer partner Aerocooler.com.

    http://www.aerocooler.com/shop.cart?action=ITEM&prod_id...

    It will also soon become available on newegg, Micro Center , and all other retail partner’s sites.

    Feel free to contact us for more product information.







    October 20, 2009 8:45:59 AM

    Niklas_13 said:
    Do you live by a micro center ?

    The i5 750 is 149.99 there i put together a i5 750 + HD 5850 rig for 1026 that was tax and shipping


    Newegg

    SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM
    Item #: N82E16827151187
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

    $30.99



    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
    Item #: N82E16820231279
    Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
    $94.99




    COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    Item #: N82E16811119137
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Item #: N82E16822136319
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    -$15.00 Instant
    -$45.00 Combo $159.98
    $99.98
    Subtotal: $225.96
    Tax:
    $18.64
    Calculate ShippingZip Code: GO
    Shipping: $26.62

    was 274.38 with tax and shipping

    Shopping Cart Items--To Buy Now Price: Qty:
    Item added on October 17, 2009


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    XFX RADEON HD 5850 1 GB DDR5 PCI Express Card HD585AZNFC - XFX
    Condition: New
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    $259.99
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    Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel Core i7 and Core i5 - CORSAIR VALUE SELECT
    Condition: New
    In Stock


    Eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping


    $119.99
    You Save:
    $5.00 (4%)


    was 395.70 with tax and shipping

    Micro center

    Order Summary - Ready for Pickup:
    Date: 5:11 AM on Oct 17 2009
    SKU DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE PER TOTAL
    291153 GA-P55-UD4P Socket 1156 P55 ATX Motherboard 1 $169.99 $169.99
    292151 Core i5 750 Processor Boxed 1 $149.99 $149.99
    Subtotal » $319.98
    Tax » $28.00
    ________________________________________
    ORDER TOTAL » $347.98



    1018.06 + HSF forgot that

    quantity of item 1
    XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Item #: N82E16835233029
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    Protect Your Investment (expand for options35-233-029|hide options35-233-029)
    Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
    The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info35-233-029.0.18)

    1 year: $6.99
    2 year: $11.99
    $44.98
    select item 2 quantity of item 2
    XIGMATEK ACK-I5361 Intel Core i7/Core i5 compatible Bracket Set - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Item #: N82E16835233038
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
    Protect Your Investment (expand for options35-233-038|hide options35-233-038)
    Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
    The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info35-233-038.0.18)

    1 year: $6.99
    2 year: $11.99
    $7.99
    Subtotal: $52.97
    Tax: $4.37
    Calculate ShippingZip Code: . FedEx 3Day Express Saver -- $18.05FedEx 2Day -- $25.63FedEx Standard Overnight -- $30.33UPS Guaranteed 3 Day Service -- $5.99UPS 2nd Day -- $18.05UPS Next Day Saver -- $25.03 GO Shipping: $5.99


    Thanks for going to all this effort, but I'm not in the US, so I can't take advantage of the lower prices.

    I'm actually looking at the Xigmatek Thor's Hammer (it's only another $5 on top of the Dark Knight, and does an even better job, according to Overclockers Club).

    But I'm now curious to know both core & real temperatures of the i5 750, i7 860 (both with and without HTT) and i7 920 (both with and without HTT). Both the i5 750 and i7 920 would be OCed to 3.44GHz, and the i7 860 to 3.66GHz. If you're going to give your own temperatures, please tell me the model, what it's OCed to, if HTT has been enabled and what cooling device you're using (you DON'T need to use the Thor's Hammer).

    It appears that the one thing I was going to initially ignore has now become a major issue to me.


    Cheers,

    rider_eragon
    October 28, 2009 9:23:23 PM

    shortstuff_mt said:
    It's not worth the hassle IMO. I'd just wait for the new Xigmatek Balder SD1283 to come out.

    http://www.xigmatek.com/product/air-balder%20sd1283.php

    Do you have any idea where this can be found? I've been looking for it in the past 2-3 weeks and still no signs of it in America.

    Since OP is talking about CPU Cooler as well, I might as well ask what's a good alternative to the Balder? I actually am currently building my new rig and it is very similar to the OP, but I'm using the i7 860 instead and I'm somewhat stalled because of the CPU cooler.

    Thanks
    !