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October 7, 2009 11:49:09 PM

Alright, so I have been doing research and asking questions here at the forum about stuff and now I have come up with the final parts. Please review, and also after that I had some questions that I really need advice on.

Central Processing Unit:::Intel Core i7 920===$279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:::GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard===$278.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:::CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply===$199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Processing Unit:::SPARKLE SXX275896D3S-VP GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card===$209.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Boot/Operating System Drive:::Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD)===$239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Storage/Data Drive:::SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive===$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Random Access Memory:::CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C7 G===$154.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler:::COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler===$62.43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD Cooler:::Thermaltake A2376 Aluminum HDD Cooling Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...$2.99

Fan Controller:::ZALMAN MFC1 Plus-B Black 6 Channel Multi Fan Controller===$36.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System:::Microsoft Windows 7 64Bit===$199.99
-Will purchase the upgrade version once it comes in late october.

Questions: Here is a couple of important questions.
I can't quite choose a case, i think i like these three but i don't know which one i should really get. All of them seem pretty good. I will give you the links for them. However if you know of any good cases with excellent cooling and they are full towers please give me a link and recommend them. I am open to advice about this because i have built many computers but all of them were more busniss oriented and had mini towers. Thanks on any help about this topic and here are the links to the three cases i was looking at and the first one which is NXTZ i liked a lot, its pretty cheap and has good reviews, but look at the other two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My Important question is about the thermal paste, i'd like to keep my CPU very cool. I was looking at this thermal paste but i need advice one what brand is good and what kind i need. I don't want cheap thermal paste so Brand,Quality, and Reviews are the top priority.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Also, about my CPU cooler, the "V8" is it good? Is it worth to get a "V10"...the V8 looks good and has good reviews. Do you know of or recommend any other coolers? The V8 looks awfully good.

-Do i even need a HDD cooler?...i mean for 3dollars i wouldn't mind keeping my HDD a couple of degrees cooler.

-About my videocard, I am really inclined to keeping my old video card 8800GTS 640mb and wait until the new nvidia cards come out which hopefully isn't too long. Any ideas? Is it worth waiting or should i just get my GTX275, because i have a 23'' Monitor with 1080p (1920x1080) resolution and i don't need anything more powerful then a GTX275. I was actually going to go with a GTX260 Core 216 but the price difference is small so I bumped it to a 275. I mean I am not a gaming enthusiast but since i heard Windows 7 already supports DX11, i might wait a bit, but then again is it worth it? Will there be new games for it? How long will the transfer to DX11 take?

-Also please give me advice about my Solid State, I heard Intel made excellent ones so I think I want that one, it has good reviews also, if there are others which are good then by all means.

-About my powersupply...Which is brand is the best? I don't care about price, a powersupply is something i don't cut from. After doing research I narrowed it down to corsair,coolermaster,and OCZ. Which one is best perfered, my previous builds mostly had coolermaster and its solid. Any ideas on this?

-Please don't hesitate to give me any other ideas,advice,opinions about any of my hardware.

-BTW the links, names, and prices of the hardware change quite often so if a link becomes outdated or doesn't work, just tell me and i'll fix it.

-With the current build, the price adds up to + or - $1750.00

Thanks for the all help once again :) 

-Blackhawk1928
October 8, 2009 12:13:46 AM

Have you looked at these cases?

Coolermaster HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 902
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They are cheaper than the two expensive cases you listed but will have as good airflow. My personal preference is to have a top exhaust fan. Hot air goes up, dont fight physics.

Corsair is probably the top quality PSU manufacturer. Seasonic is another. Antec's signature and true power lines are both excellent and their earthwatts is good. That corsair 850 is designed for 3 GPUs, you could get their 650 or 750 and run two.

If you dont like the 5850 or 5870 then you might use the 8800 until a new dx11 card like one of the 5700 series or a low end nvidia 300 series card that you like comes out. Buying an expensive DX10 card right now seems like a waste to me.
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October 8, 2009 12:22:50 AM

RAM: I heard that that ram did not run at full 1600mhz. And i have had excellent luck with corsair over my years. and its only 10bucks more expensive, but i'll feel better with corsair. I was actually thinking of micron ram but I went with corsair.

PSU: I'd like either corsair,coolermaster,or OCZ please and possibly "PC Power and Cooling". I have never used Thermaltake and don't know how good they are, I like to stick with what I have had a good experience with usually.

GPU: Nvidia

Case: I will take a look at that case. But also please pick the best one in your opinion out of the three i gave, just want to know which one is more recommended.
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October 8, 2009 1:23:52 AM

Either of the last two cases you gave has lots of fans, but seem overpriced. I dont know much about thermaltake cases, you might want to google some reviews.

That NXT case got some good reviews. I would get an optional 80mm fan to blow hot air out the top at least. You can add up to four 120mm fans on the side. Its a tight squeeze with a 10.5 inch graphics card (like any GTX 200 series) and maybe cant handle an 11 incher like a 5870. A 9 inch 5850 would be great in this case.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2699/nzxt_zero_2_full_...
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October 8, 2009 2:10:39 AM

Well, I want a very spacious case. I personally think that the
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is the best case, it has all 5 star reviews, good price and is massive, i should be able to fit anything in that case, it has the best cooling system out of the ones i found, and is good brand for cases. I really like that one. Shouldn't it be spacous enough to fit all my hardware inside of it?
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October 8, 2009 2:38:43 AM

This case has just as much room as the one you posted http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and is 10 bucks cheeper. It has 911 reviews with a rate of

Review Summary (911 Reviews):


Excellent 774ReviewsExcellent 85%
Good 100ReviewsGood 11%
Average 21ReviewsAverage 2%
Poor 8ReviewsPoor 1%
Very Poor 8ReviewsVery Poor 1%


Review of the CM HAF 932 http://www.testfreaks.com/computer-cases/cooler-master-...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/613/1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/full-tower-case,210...


The Thermaltake VA9003BWS

Has 2 reviews of 100

Cases are personal

Always good to go look @ them in person, but the CM cases are good cases
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October 8, 2009 3:05:39 AM

I have to agree with the others who suggested it.....

Antec 1200 or 900 series W/ Antec Signature series PSU
HAF 932 w. Corsair HX Serie PSU

Fan controller would recommend the NZXT Sentry 2 and w/ cases like the 1200, HD cooler is redundant.

Newegg begins shipping Win7 on the 19th so it will arrive at your door on the 22nd. ....just 11 more days and no need to do upgrades.

HSF I'd suggest the Prplimatech Megahalems or the new fancier looking Shadow

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9655/cpu-pro-05/Proli...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...

w/ thermal grease

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...

To my mind, and this is a personal opinion, I am not going to buy SSD's until the Spring when all the firmware upgrades are done, Win7 TRIM is all sorted out, the industry 'shakes out" a bit and prices drop.

There's a good DX11 article here on THG .... apparently no one is expecting any great shakes outta DX11.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...
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October 8, 2009 9:25:05 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
There's a good DX11 article here on THG .... apparently no one is expecting any great shakes outta DX11.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...
The article says they are expecting DX11 to make a faster, broader inroad into software than DX 10 and 10.1. It also briefly touches on tesselation which, if utilized by software developers would make running DX11 graphics more efficient than 10, unlike DX10 which was slower than DX9. The main question is how many years before DX11 becomes a factor vs how many years are you going to use the GPU. There are already a few DX11 games slated to come online with 3 months. If you are going to spend money now dont you want to get something will play the newest games at the highest levels for more than a few months?
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October 8, 2009 7:59:27 PM

^True, so I might aswell just keep my 8800GTS 640MB for a couple more months until Nvidia releases something. I think I will because an 8800GTS 640mb is a beast for my needs, i need a powerful processor, fast drive, and fast ram, video card is like my second priority so i absolutly would not mind waiting a couple months to wait until the new DX11 cards come out from nvidia and purchase one then.

Also that case from cooler master looks really nice, it has a nice cooling system all of that however will my zalman fan controller fit properly into the case?... I really like the coolermaster case and am seriously considering it. However take a look at the other two i posted earlier. I also am considering the case I saw, and posted earlier (The thermaltake one VA9003BWS)...however the coolermaster is good, might get that one.

Does all my other hardware look good?
Thanks for the help.
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October 9, 2009 12:57:11 AM

Wait wait, I looked that DX11 nvidia cards should be released by the end of this year but are they going to be low-mid-and high ranged?, I mean if the cheapest DX11 card released is going to cost like 500bucks off the bat, then i might aswell buy a GTX275 because i don't need something that powerful of the a videocard. Could there possibly be driver updates for the new DX11 so my card will support it? Any suggestions?
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October 9, 2009 7:08:02 PM

There is no indication that existing cards will handle DX11. Since nvidias current GPUs have no tesselation module I dont think its possible. Why spend $200+ on a card only twice as fast as your 8800 that adds no new features? Spending that much then not being able to play the newest games with the highest eye candy three months from now would suck.

Use the 8800 for 3-6 months and then there should be both nvidia and ati DX11 options. The only cost effective GPU with longevity right now is the 5850, but the 5700s and nvidia 300s will be out fairly soon.
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October 9, 2009 7:35:40 PM

Well, I'll think about because my 8800 really isn't that bad. Right now my card is bottlenecked to his knees and can still handle most games on full resolution and full settings on 1080p. I get 50fps on Call of Duty 5 maxed out on 1920x1080 with only PCI-E 1 connection, weak processor and slow ram. I think my card will do even better then I think i can keep it. However, I really need to find out if drivers will actually add support for sure because I have a feeling the first DX11 GPU's will be way overkill for what i need, so its tempting to just buy the GTX275.
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October 10, 2009 2:41:02 AM

About the thermal paste, was the one i posted, the "Arctic Silver" any good?...is it worth its price? Will it work well with my CPU and Cooler.
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October 10, 2009 3:24:42 AM

Niklas_13 said:
This case has just as much room as the one you posted http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and is 10 bucks cheeper. It has 911 reviews with a rate of

Review Summary (911 Reviews):


Excellent 774ReviewsExcellent 85%
Good 100ReviewsGood 11%
Average 21ReviewsAverage 2%
Poor 8ReviewsPoor 1%
Very Poor 8ReviewsVery Poor 1%


Review of the CM HAF 932 http://www.testfreaks.com/computer-cases/cooler-master-...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/613/1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/full-tower-case,210...


The Thermaltake VA9003BWS

Has 2 reviews of 100

Cases are personal

Always good to go look @ them in person, but the CM cases are good cases



LOL you trust newegg reviews? Must be a joke..

To OP, post in this format to answer some questions like overclocking..sli/crossfire ..etc


http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

Case: get antec 900 or cm 932 or antec 1200.

Video card: you seem to be a fan boy of nvidia, only high end cards are releasing no need to wait. i doubt they have dx11 feature. ati better right now get 5850




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October 10, 2009 1:15:23 PM

^Yeah I though so, i am almost sure the new DX11 cards will be ultra-high end so I'll purchase a card now.

-And whats wrong with newegg reviews?

Anyway thanks for the help so far.
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October 10, 2009 1:26:03 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
^Yeah I though so, i am almost sure the new DX11 cards will be ultra-high end so I'll purchase a card now.

-And whats wrong with newegg reviews?

Anyway thanks for the help so far.


newegg reviews are just peoples input, and some say it could be people that work for the company just typing *** in ect.

Thats why a gave other links of reviews



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October 10, 2009 1:30:52 PM

^thats a good point, and also for overshocks, i would post in that format if i didn't know the parts and was noobie with computers. I know what hardware i need, i know what brands, i know what type, and i know how it works, I just need advice on some of the hardware, I don't need other people to build the computer for me, i already did my research, just need tips on tweaking some of the hardware.

Also, do i need a Chipset/Memory cooler?, they have those on Newegg and I was wondering if i need one.
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October 11, 2009 2:34:24 AM

Many of the bad reviews on newegg are from people that dont know what they are doing and their problems are self inflicted. If you actually read the text there is some useful info but just looking at the ratings doesnt mean much.

IF you get a good case with good airflow, the RAM already has heatspreaders and they will be fine. You only need RAM coolers if you have temperature problems or bad airflow. IF you are going to up the voltage alot for overclocking you might end up with temp problems and want one.
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October 11, 2009 3:41:33 AM

oh thanks for the information, i won't be overclocking and my case will most likley have great airflow so i guess i won't need one. I probably don't need a hard drive cooler but it costs 2.99 so i might aswell just try it :) 

-I look online and about my RAM, it which one affects performance more, the CAS latency or the speed in Mhz?...Reason i am asking is that the corsair ram i posted has timings of 7-7-7-20 (something like that) and ran at 1600mhz and for the same price there is muskin 1333mhz ram running at 6-6-6-18...so which one is better, one has higher speed and the other has lower latency so which variable is more important. And is it okay if just get OCZ 1600Mhz ram at 9-9-9-XX or 8-8-8-XX timings?...its higher latency but question is will I really see a difference in performance and where will i see it?
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October 11, 2009 8:34:18 PM

Lower latency gives you better overclocking options. In terms of real performance you wont see alot of difference between 1600 and 1333.
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October 11, 2009 8:40:32 PM

so what is better:
1333mhz 6-6-6-18
1600mhz 7-7-7-20
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Anonymous
October 11, 2009 8:52:21 PM

Get the 1600mhz 7-7-7-20 and underclock it to 1.59-1.6 VDimm. You should see a drop in latency further.
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October 11, 2009 10:51:50 PM

Question is will i really see performance difference? I mean a truly noticable difference?...I can get 1600mhz for much less but it will have 8-8-8 or 9-9-9 timings but i need an opinion on where will performance be affected and is it worth it.
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