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So...the 5870 is the weakest part of my system??

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October 21, 2009 11:13:44 PM

My system:

CPU: Core i7 920
Mobo: ASUS P6TD Deluxe
Ram: G.SKILL F3-12800C9 3x2GB (6GB)
PSU: Corsair Professional HX850
SSD: Intel X25-M 80GB Gen2
Videocard: XFX RADEON HD5870 1GB

My Windows rating:
Processor: 7.4
Memory: 7.4
Graphics: 6.0
Gaming Graphics: 6.0

Primary Hard Disk: 7.7

Overall: 6.0

I have the latest drivers installed from the ati/amd website.

Is anyone else getting results like this? With a similar system or not?
October 21, 2009 11:23:33 PM

A 9500GT gets 6.3 for gaming graphics, looks like you got the wrong card mate. :lol: 
October 22, 2009 12:01:07 AM

You prolly got a rebadged 3870 by mistake! Oh wait, only Nvidia does 3 generation old rebadges nevermind....
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October 22, 2009 12:02:07 AM

I was under the impression that the 5870 was better than a 4870x2.... O_O
October 22, 2009 12:17:52 AM

Maybe you should try benchmarking something meaningful :) 
October 22, 2009 12:18:58 AM

It is. Not by much, but it is.

/me blames bugs.
Go wait a week, mebby?
October 22, 2009 12:19:11 AM

But W7 is so shiny.
October 22, 2009 12:48:14 AM

Well...i was kind of wondering whether or not someone ELSE with a 5870 is getting 6.0 or really close to that...so i have something to compare too.
October 22, 2009 1:28:04 AM

Likely a bug somewhere? You using windows 7 beta?
October 22, 2009 1:32:46 AM

Test it in a game, the windows score is really not important. But also make sure you have the drivers installed as my 4850 gets a 7.3. Install the drivers and then have it recalculate your score.
October 22, 2009 2:56:37 AM

It may be because Win7 does not have the 5870 coded in yet. I know for hard drives, it looks for SSDs and caps your score around 6 if you don't have one. It seems reasonable it may do this for GPUs too (we'll need more info to see). If you are confident you installed your drivers correctly, don't worry about it. Try a 3DMark or a real game/benchmark to see for sure. Win7 benchmarks seem bugged and pointless right now.
October 22, 2009 3:05:15 AM

Try benching with 3dmark06 and you will find out if its your GPU or not. Looking at your specs it is obvious that your 5870 is not the weakest part of your PC. Your PC does not have a "weak" part so the title of your thread does not make sense.
October 22, 2009 3:09:13 AM

Oh and just for refernce, i think I beat that 6..0 with my 4650. Not 100% sure, but I think my HD (about 6) was the 'weakest' part of my system, so my GC was higher than 6. Would be interesting to know if any other 5870 owners are getting poor results. Might have to wait for the official release to know that though.
October 22, 2009 3:14:36 AM

My HD 4890 gets a 7.6; the Windows Experience Index doesn't really mean anything. If it's playing your games fine, then don't worry about it.

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October 22, 2009 3:17:55 AM
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It's the worst indicator of performance, just like the Vista WEI score.

And it's not the HD5K, Rodney got a 7.7 with a single 5850 at stock speeds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272324-33-windows-gra...

People were also getting 7.9 with an HD4870 back in January, so I wouldn't put any faith in that, even for driver testing, running games and 3Dmark is better than some arbitrary windoze #.
October 22, 2009 3:31:43 AM

My radeon 5870 gets a 7.8. SO max is 8 right so cant get much better then that.
October 22, 2009 3:54:04 AM

My radeon 5850 gets 7.7 so just check if you got the lastest drivers I guess or test in a game..
October 22, 2009 6:17:28 AM

K i ran 3DMark06 on performance preset and got the following:



I dont think thats quite as good as i should be expecting...right?

EDIT:

I put a new 9800GTX i just got from an RMA into the SAME system and got:



As expected, much lower than the 5870, but is the 5870 around where it should be?
October 22, 2009 6:57:10 AM

I get 16.5k with a 550 @ 4.0Ghz and a GTX 260 so no that is not right at all you should be around 18k+ (stock settings). The 17 920 @ 2.6Ghz paired with a GTX 295 gets over 17k.
October 22, 2009 6:57:55 AM

No that's about what everyone else is getting with similar hardware. I saw another person with the exact same graphics score.
October 22, 2009 7:04:39 AM

With respect to all of the above:

With 5870 Installed:


Windows Score:
Processor: 7.4
Memory: 7.4
Graphics: 6.0
Gaming Graphics: 6.0

Primary Hard Disk: 7.7

Overall: 6.0

3DMark06 Vantage:
GPU - 15614
CPU - 17578

With 9800GTX Installed:

Windows Score:
Processor: 7.4
Memory: 7.4
Graphics: 6.9
Gaming Graphics: 6.9

Primary Hard Disk: 7.7

Overall: 6.9

3DMark06 Vantage:
GPU - 6055
CPU - 38763 (WTF?)
October 22, 2009 7:07:46 AM

You did not disable hardware-based physics (PhysX) when running 3DMark, so the physics tests which determine the CPU score were done on your GPU, which is many times faster when the workload is highly parallel. The GPU score is what you want to look at.
October 22, 2009 7:08:44 AM

randomizer said:
No that's about what everyone else is getting with similar hardware. I saw another person with the exact same graphics score.


There is something wrong, very wrong... Ok here is a screen with my 550 @ 3.55Ghz and a GTS 250 slighly overclocked (more or less same as his GTX 9800) and look at my score :



does anyone have a quad clocked at 2.6Ghz so we can compare scores?
October 22, 2009 7:11:02 AM

That's not 3D Mark Vantage. Your results aren't even close to comparable.

EDIT: I will download and run vantage. My results should be a bit below his as I have a GTX275.
October 22, 2009 7:12:03 AM

OvrClkr said:
There is something wrong, very wrong... Ok here is a screen with my 550 @ 3.55Ghz and a GTS 250 slighly overclocked (more or less same as his GTX 9800) and look at my score :

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/xp_06_bench.jpg

does anyone have a quad clocked at 2.6Ghz so we can compare scores?

Except you're using 3D'06 and the OP is using Vantage.
October 22, 2009 7:13:28 AM

[:mousemonkey:2] Damn that i7 and OC'd keyboard. :lol: 
October 22, 2009 7:21:10 AM

OvrClkr said:
I get 16.5k with a 550 @ 4.0Ghz and a GTX 260 so no that is not right at all you should be around 18k+ (stock settings). The 17 920 @ 2.6Ghz paired with a GTX 295 gets over 17k.

Not only does it have to be the same settings and 3D mark, it also has to be the same brand, as many times, what 1 brand shows for higher numbers, sometimes shows slower in games.
So, same brand/year etc, and then its till ballpark or just close
I hate bungholios, they truly dont give alot of info, as the cpu score shows, using Phusx as well
October 22, 2009 7:40:39 AM

Did a complete driver reinstall, this time i got 15660 which is obviously a negligible difference.

Im going to sleep, ill check back with you guys in the morning.
October 22, 2009 7:44:28 AM

yea I figured.. and using XP also screws it up even more...
October 22, 2009 9:22:09 AM

3DMark Vantage is DX10 only
October 22, 2009 5:00:22 PM

thanks for the responses guys.

I do plan on overclocking, but the last overclock i ever did was on an E4300 which (right now) appeared to be a hell of a lot more simple than overclocking a i7 920 lol.

Now i see all these BLCK frequencies, QPI this...DRAM that...core bus volt blah blah.

Seems like i got a lot of reading before i tackle that.
October 22, 2009 11:39:36 PM

There's an overclocking guide for the i7 in the Overclocking > Intel section of this forum. It is certainly more complicated than LGA775 which was a simple matter of raise FSB, raise voltages - as long as your memory can handle the speed.
October 23, 2009 2:11:02 AM

ryanmission said:
My system:

CPU: Core i7 920
Mobo: ASUS P6TD Deluxe
Ram: G.SKILL F3-12800C9 3x2GB (6GB)
PSU: Corsair Professional HX850
SSD: Intel X25-M 80GB Gen2
Videocard: XFX RADEON HD5870 1GB

My Windows rating:
Processor: 7.4
Memory: 7.4
Graphics: 6.0
Gaming Graphics: 6.0

Primary Hard Disk: 7.7

Overall: 6.0

I have the latest drivers installed from the ati/amd website.

Is anyone else getting results like this? With a similar system or not?

I'm running an X1950 XTX under Win7 and scoring 5.9 for graphics so this is definitely just an issue with Win7 not recognizing the HD 5870 properly.
October 23, 2009 12:06:23 PM

ryanmission said:
Did a complete driver reinstall, this time i got 15660 which is obviously a negligible difference.

Im going to sleep, ill check back with you guys in the morning.



I've got a 5870 as well. When I was running the 32 bit Win 7 preview with the AMD release candidate drivers I was getting 7.8 on my Windows Experience and around 19k for 3D Mark. I got 64 bit Win 7 professional and the 64 bit drivers and my score dropped to 6.0 on Windows Experience and around 15-16 for 3D Mark. I think the drivers for 64 bit are not as optimized/fleshed out as the 32 bit ones.
October 23, 2009 1:38:22 PM

ryanmission said:
thanks for the responses guys.

I do plan on overclocking, but the last overclock i ever did was on an E4300 which (right now) appeared to be a hell of a lot more simple than overclocking a i7 920 lol.

Now i see all these BLCK frequencies, QPI this...DRAM that...core bus volt blah blah.

Seems like i got a lot of reading before i tackle that.



It is a lot simpler than it seems.
November 25, 2009 9:13:36 PM

I have a very similar system and the exact same thing happend to me. My Hd 5870 was a 7.8 from day one. The I updated ATI latest driver, dated 11/17/09 and that's when it drop to 6.0 WTF!!!

My Rig
Core i5
Corsair Whch50 water cooler
Msi P55-GD65
4GB Ocz Ripjaws
Corsair 705 PSU
intel XM-25 80GB SSD
Sapphire HD5870
Antec 902 Case
Win7 64bit

After the 6.0 I did a complete reinstall of windows 7 and still got a 6.0 so it's gotta be the driver. But not sure. Gonna run 3dmark06 just be be sure.
November 25, 2009 9:48:19 PM

ebagdirtbike said:
I have a very similar system and the exact same thing happend to me. My Hd 5870 was a 7.8 from day one. The I updated ATI latest driver, dated 11/17/09 and that's when it drop to 6.0 WTF!!!

My Rig
Core i5
Corsair Whch50 water cooler
Msi P55-GD65
4GB Ocz Ripjaws
Corsair 705 PSU
intel XM-25 80GB SSD
Sapphire HD5870
Antec 902 Case
Win7 64bit

After the 6.0 I did a complete reinstall of windows 7 and still got a 6.0 so it's gotta be the driver. But not sure. Gonna run 3dmark06 just be be sure.


Dude... it MEANS NOTHING!!! The only thing that matters is GAME PERFORMANCE! Compare that then come back here.
November 25, 2009 10:13:55 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
Dude... it MEANS NOTHING!!! The only thing that matters is GAME PERFORMANCE! Compare that then come back here.



Yeah I've read alot of threads knocking WEI. Anyways 3DmarkVantage score Graphics score of 16142 and Cpu score of 16241. So overall I think it's pretty solid. I was thinking since the HD 5970 came out maybe Win7 curved the rating since that's the best card now as of yet but what do I know. Just a thought.
January 3, 2010 8:20:39 AM

Ive god a XFX 5870 basic edition and i got a 6. Dont worry dude, and plus: windows experience rating is a joke
January 4, 2010 4:44:29 PM

ryanmission said:
Well...i was kind of wondering whether or not someone ELSE with a 5870 is getting 6.0 or really close to that...so i have something to compare too.


I have a 5750 and its getting 6.0, so i have to wonder if this is a MS/Nvidia making. Either way how are your games running mine run smooth and flawless, for Far Cry 2 and Batman: Ark.

Try some games and see what your Average FPS are, that is a better indication.

Nvidia please after the 8800gt i gave up on them, physx is nice but not worth it. :bounce: 
January 5, 2010 11:50:33 PM

brockh said:
My HD 4890 gets a 7.6; the Windows Experience Index doesn't really mean anything. If it's playing your games fine, then don't worry about it.


no fair, my HD 4890 gets a 5.9 :( 
January 6, 2010 6:36:18 AM

lol sorry ahd to let you know man my neighbor has 5970 (yeah hes got to much money and hes getting another next week) well any way he got 7 to and and actually got a 5.3 so it is probly the drivers i wouldnt worry about it to much
January 6, 2010 7:30:55 PM

ryanmission said:
Well...i was kind of wondering whether or not someone ELSE with a 5870 is getting 6.0 or really close to that...so i have something to compare too.


e8400 : 6.5

8gb of dominator 1066ddr2: 6.8

5870: 7.4

intel 80g ssd g.2: 7.2

no reason why it should hit 6.0

maybe you are using a board with pcie 1.0?

maybe you need the latest drivers and bios for your mobo?

Are you using ample power?
January 6, 2010 7:32:44 PM

ryanmission said:
Well...i was kind of wondering whether or not someone ELSE with a 5870 is getting 6.0 or really close to that...so i have something to compare too.


e8400 : 6.5

8gb of dominator 1066ddr2: 6.8

5870: 7.4

intel 80g ssd g.2: 7.2

no reason why it should hit 6.0

maybe you need the latest drivers and bios for your mobo?

Are you using ample power?
January 6, 2010 7:53:40 PM

The problem with the HD 5870's performance is because when Win 7 runs the test, it doesn't force the card out of it's relaxed timings. Open up ATI Overdrive and watch the timings, they will remain at 157 core and 300 mem instead of 850 and 1200.

When I ran the test on my 5870, I got a 6.0, when I check ati overdrive, I noticed the timings were at idle settings. I ran ATI tools to change the timings, which will not go to lower timings and scored a 7.8 or 7.9.

There is nothing wrong with the card or drivers, it's just a side effect of ATI's cool and energy efficient code.
March 10, 2010 1:46:21 AM

I had the same problem with my 5870. Brand new fresh install of windows 7 64, and fresh 10.2 drivers. I ran WEI 2 times and got 6 both times.

Then I remembered reading about CCC setting making a difference because I was not happy with 6 after paying close to $400.

I opened CCC Advanced and slected Options->Pereferences-Restore Factory Defaults. Now I am at 7.8. Hope this helps.
March 10, 2010 3:24:16 AM

I am getting 7.8 with my Sapphire 5870.
March 10, 2010 3:37:22 PM

ryanmission said:
My system:

CPU: Core i7 920
Mobo: ASUS P6TD Deluxe
Ram: G.SKILL F3-12800C9 3x2GB (6GB)
PSU: Corsair Professional HX850
SSD: Intel X25-M 80GB Gen2
Videocard: XFX RADEON HD5870 1GB

My Windows rating:
Processor: 7.4
Memory: 7.4
Graphics: 6.0
Gaming Graphics: 6.0

Primary Hard Disk: 7.7

Overall: 6.0

I have the latest drivers installed from the ati/amd website.

Is anyone else getting results like this? With a similar system or not?


Had the same problem at one point. what you have to do is make use you uninstall the last driver for the video card and restart the system and download the new driver 10.2 and it will change
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