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Help.. Huge Cpu bottleneck or Illegitimate card?<<ati 4870>>

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October 23, 2009 10:34:32 PM

Friends,
i have this card i purchased 4 moths ago... its a 4850 with gddr5 memory..
its safe to say that it has the RV770 chip on it...
now..
i OCed it to
core@760mhz.
memory@4050mhz
this pretty much shud equal/exceed any stock 4870...
THE CATCH.....
i have this craptastic tin can<gonna go i7 in december>-
3.87 ghz pent d.. PRESLER<ya... the old one>
2 gb kingston
600 w cooler master psu...

Tempz..
Idle- 55- 60 c.. <31 c ambient>
load-75c the MAX i eva saw it.....<furmark>

Now for the depressing part-
RESOLUTION- 1024x768
Nearly everthing maxed out..
MAX AVG MIN
fallout- 60 <vsync> 30-35 18

Gears of war- 65 40 24

Dead space- 71 36 22

Nfs Shift- 60 <vsync> 25 18

Bioshock 82 45 28

I m on catalyst 9.5 <9.9 gives even more crap> with ATI Tray tools

HELP..
WTF? is the F'ing Problem???????
the cpu bottleneck cannot be SO great..... <can it?>
i Oced the cpu frm 3.00 to 3.87 ghz....
and still these results..<although fallout's performance did increase...>


What ATi tray tools tells about my card-


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Display adapter ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9442)
Core Name RV770
SubVendor Unknown 0000
SubDevice 0000
BUS 1
Device 0
Function 0
Base Address 0 E000000C
Base Address 1 00000000
Base Address 2 FEAE0004
Base Address 3 00000000

Bus Type Supported PCI Express 2.x
PCI-E Link Width 16
Max PCI-E Link Width 16
SMARTGART Installed No

Driver Version 09.5
Release Version 8.612-090428a-080257C-ATI
QuadBuffer Stereo Support No
Catalyst Registry Path
System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{B46E5A5B-823B-4398-92D3-5C8FBC333EEF}\0000

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Clock Information
BIOS VPU 700.00
Current VPU 765.00
BIOS MEM 900.00
Current MEM 1012.50

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Overdrive
Adapter 0
Supported Yes
Type PowerPlay
Level 0 : GPU/MEM/VDDC 765.00/1012.50/1.263
Level 1 : GPU/MEM/VDDC 765.00/1012.50/1.263
Level 2 : GPU/MEM/VDDC 765.00/1012.50/1.263

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Radeon PCI configuration space
00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
00 02 10 42 94 07 00 10 00 00 00 00 03 08 00 80 00
10 0C 00 00 E0 00 00 00 00 04 00 AE FE 00 00 00 00
20 01 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30 00 00 AC FE 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 01 00 00
40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 01 58 03 06 00 00 00 00 10 A0 12 00 A0 8F 2C 01
60 10 09 00 00 01 0D 00 00 40 00 01 11 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 05 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Hardware Information ASIC (Software) Method
Family 81
Emulated Revision 2
Gfx Engine ID 6
VRam Bit Width 256
Installed memory 512
______________________________
OverDrive 5
Core clocks Min 385.00 - Max 750.00
Memory clocks Min 510.00 - Max 950.00
VDDC Min 1.083v - Max 1.263v
______________________________
FAN
1 12324080
2 50D31A05
3 4B46413C
4 625A5550
5 605A544D
6 80746D67

______________________________
Video BIOS Information
Version 011.013.000.002
Part Number 113-AA48509070.28
Date 2009/02/10 01:04
Vram Type GDDR5

______________________________
Controller Configurations
Controller 0
Active Connections:
-Second Monitor (CRT2) (0) 1024x768x85
Controller 1
Active Connections:
No Active Connections

______________________________
Displays supported by adapter
0 (1) Monitor (CRT1)
1 (2) Second Monitor (CRT2)
2 (4) Digital Flat Panel
3 (8) Digital Flat Panel
4 (16) Second Digital Flat Panel

______________________________
EnumDisplays
Display Type 0, Extended Type 1 , Max Resolution 1600x1200
Display Type 0, Extended Type 2 , Max Resolution 1920x1080
Display Type 3, Extended Type 1 , Max Resolution 0x0
Display Type 3, Extended Type 3 , Max Resolution 0x0
Display Type 3, Extended Type 2 , Max Resolution 0x0

______________________________
Loaded Displays
Display 1 index 1
Display 2 index 2
TV Index 61440
______________________________
Multi VPU Caps
______________________________
No additional information
______________________________
Multi VPU State
ulActiveAdapters 0
ulAvailableAdapters 0
ulCurrentAdapter 0
ulDongleCapabilities 0
ulDongleConnection 0
ulDongleDisplayIndex 0
ulPrimaryIndex 0
ulMVPUMaxFBSize 0
ulMVPUMaxPipes 0
ulMVPUMaxVisFBSize 0
ulMVPUState 0
State Bits
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October 23, 2009 10:38:48 PM

Try turning your overclock on you GPU down by about 25 MHz on each setting, and running the bench again.
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October 23, 2009 10:43:03 PM

Full system specs, BTW a 4850 with GDDR5 ram is not an option, there were no 4850s made with GDDR5 ram that i know of because that is all that separates it from a 4870 aside from a slight difference in clock rate.
What CPU do you have as an old single threaded P4 even clocked that high would not be able to keep up with a 2.8GHz modern dual core in those games.
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October 23, 2009 10:43:11 PM

whoa... 4850 with grddr5, can i buy it pls
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October 23, 2009 10:50:51 PM

arjun_jamil1 said:
3.87 ghz pent d.. PRESLER<ya... the old one>
2 gb kingston


wait ... you're running a 4-year-old Pentium chip? That's your problem, not the 4870.

Also, I'd be curious to know what kind/speed of memory that 2GB is. With a chip that old, I'd guess the motherboard supports DDR2 at the best. If it's regular DDR, or DDR2 with a low speed or high latency, that could also be bogging things down.
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October 23, 2009 10:53:46 PM

What is your cpu?

An OCed 4850 won't reach 4870 performance since the 4870 has GDDR5.

Try turning off V-Sync
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October 23, 2009 11:14:12 PM

Ummm. PENT- d is Pentium- d <DUAL core>
its the old one... the intel idiots released it a week b4 c2d..... fags...
v-sync on/off doesnt make a diff....<tested>
the stock speeds <700/3600> yield pretty much the same results...
my chip is a 775 for gods sake... its not that old... makes me feel like my grandpa..
check out palit ati fight on google..... my card was the cause of it......
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October 23, 2009 11:16:42 PM

PLEASE read the tray tools stat report.... <not the jargon> proves my gpu.....
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October 23, 2009 11:25:29 PM

Well, if you want to know what's slowing down the machine, you can either accept the fact that your CPU is three generations old, or you can ignore that and insist that it's something else. It's probably not. The RAM could be a factor if it's also old-standard and slow, but only one part of it. Fact is, a Pentium D is not a top- or even middle-of-the-line gaming chip these days, and on most new games, it'll be barely struggling by.
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October 23, 2009 11:28:37 PM

OK go into the bios and see what settings that your ram is set to. Why if the timings are crap it will show in games and other apps.
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October 23, 2009 11:37:35 PM

just tell me ARE U SURE ITS THE CPU?
coz i noe it is .. i m just having a hard time believing that the bottleneck is SO HUGE....
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October 23, 2009 11:41:35 PM

Your cpu is idling at 55-60c? That cannot be good. your CPU might be throttling back because of the temps. Try turning down the OC and check the results.

What program are you using to check the temps?
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October 23, 2009 11:44:07 PM

my gpu's temps are posted.....
my cpu's temps will give u a heart attack.....
<presler is famous for warming ppl's houses in winters>
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October 23, 2009 11:52:28 PM

arjun_jamil1 said:
my gpu's temps are posted.....
my cpu's temps will give u a heart attack.....
<presler is famous for warming ppl's houses in winters>

Did you try running any benchmarks with the cpu @ stock? Once the cpu reaches a certain temp it will throttle back the performance to try to prevent your chip from melting.

What OS are you running? Vista eats 2gb for breakfast.
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October 23, 2009 11:56:33 PM

arjun_jamil1 said:
just tell me ARE U SURE ITS THE CPU?
coz i noe it is .. i m just having a hard time believing that the bottleneck is SO HUGE....


You can never know anything for sure, but I would be REALLY surprised if it was anything else. You could probably double the performance just by dropping in a mid-range Core Duo for cheap. Given your setup, that's about 100 times more likely than a perfectly modern graphics card just going haywire for no apparent reason.
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October 24, 2009 11:32:14 AM

Recommendations for a CHEAP and LOW POWER c2d.....
i m going to shift to i7 in December...... ill make this tin can my download rig.....
pls quote cpus accordingly.......
budget at MAX...-150-170 USD...
The processor u gonna recommend is not going to be used for gaming <at least after dec>
so pls.. try to be cheap and power is a HUGE concern....
thanks..
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October 24, 2009 11:56:10 AM

oh and can i go amd? coz i neva tried it......
are they nice?, since they are like the leaders of the price segment i m aiming for....
Am3 gonna last long? or not?.....
775 is dead for sure.....
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October 24, 2009 4:56:21 PM

arjun_jamil1 said:
oh and can i go amd? coz i neva tried it......
are they nice?, since they are like the leaders of the price segment i m aiming for....
Am3 gonna last long? or not?.....
775 is dead for sure.....


AMD cpus are great, they're almost same penforming than intels but they cost alot less.
i dont like ati because of their crappy drivers, but cpus are great. i currently have a phenom iix4 955 at stock 3.2ghz, the phenom costs 180$ while the i7 920 costs 280$(or a little more depending on where you buy it), and the difference in gaming is being just 1-2 fps(or even less) on most games. you get almost the same for 100$ less.
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October 25, 2009 12:32:53 AM

arjun_jamil1 said:
oh and can i go amd? coz i neva tried it......
are they nice?, since they are like the leaders of the price segment i m aiming for....
Am3 gonna last long? or not?.....
775 is dead for sure.....


I've got nothing against AMD processors (if that's what you want for your new machine), but I don't think you can put one in your old machine without also getting a new motherboard if that's what you were talking about. (If not, I apologize; don't mean to be redundant).

Honestly, for a socket 775, the lower-end C2 Quad chips have come down in price enough that they're only about 20 bucks more than a decent C2 Duo. Things like the Q8200 are about as good a deal as you can find for the price. One word of caution, though: If you're using an older 775 motherboard, double-check that it's C2D and/or C2Q compatible, and that it has the bus speed to handle one of those chips.

If your board does support a C2 Quad, you may just try a good one of those (e.g. Q9550) out and be happy enough with it that you can put off the i7 machine for a year or two. C2 Quad chips are not at the very cutting edge anymore, but still right up there with the top tier.
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October 25, 2009 3:16:22 PM

nah... the i7's gonna be super high end.....<rams, ssds and all the stuff>
i just want a download rig which consumes VERY little power...
c2d is a good choice considering that..... c2q? i dunno.... help is needed here....
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October 25, 2009 9:21:02 PM

If it's just gonna be a download rig that you want to sip power than get a really low end weak Pentium Dual Core or Core 2 Duo (Don't confuse Pentium Dual Core with Pentium D Pentium Dual Core is just another name for the weak C2Ds). It would mop the floor with the Pentium D you have now.

Although if I remember correctly Pentium D mobos can't be used with 45nm Core 2s because of voltage regulators or something.

If that ends up being wrong though here are some recommendations:

Pentium Dual Core E5200: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pentium Dual Core E5300: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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