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October 12, 2009 1:12:58 AM

Im building a new system and Im wondering about these two CPU's... The price difference is close to $300, My question is will I notice a difference from 2.66ghz to 3.06ghz?

It'll be used for gaming, and some of my work programs that slow my current work pc down, which has a 3.0 Pentium 4 cpu.....

I know most people go with the 2.66 but will there be a noticeable difference in performance?

Thanks

EDIT,

I will not be OC'ing.

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October 12, 2009 2:00:26 AM

It's for certain that you wouldn't get a $275~300 sized increase in performance. 15% higher CPU speed = 90% price increase.
If you're moving up from that Pentium 4 3Ghz CPU (which CPU?) even the Core i5 750 is going to be a very large, very nice upgrade.

For less than the price of the Core i7 920/X58 you could get the Core i7 860 and a P55 motherboard. The faster CPU and more aggressive Turbo Mode (auto-overclocking) would get you more performance, essentially for free.
Gaming performance i5 750 / i7 860 / i7 920
Overall productivity comparison

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October 12, 2009 2:10:53 AM

WR2 said:
It's for certain that you wouldn't get a $275~300 sized increase in performance. 15% higher CPU speed = 90% price increase.
If you're moving up from that Pentium 4 3Ghz CPU (which CPU?) even the Core i5 750 is going to be a very large, very nice upgrade.

For less than the price of the Core i7 920/X58 you could get the Core i7 860 and a P55 motherboard. The faster CPU and more aggressive Turbo Mode (auto-overclocking) would get you more performance, essentially for free.
Gaming performance i5 750 / i7 860 / i7 920
Overall productivity comparison



Why is the 860 faster, and the same price?

Also, am I going with an older product when it comes to going from the X58 to the P55?

Im building this computer for my dad and he's wanting to future proof it, in a way... so I guess that's why he want's the fast core i7 so it'll be good for a few years. But im building it as a surprise, so Im trying to stay close to what he said he wanted, but I thought if the 2.66 would be just as fast as the 3.06.. then why not do the 2.66 and save $275.

I have a build with the 950, and for everything, it's right under $1600.

Explain more about the P55, if it's not an older technology, I'd be glad to do it, but I did notice that on the P55 mobo's, there's not 3 slots for ram.. only 2.. so That does away with getting 6 gigs :( 
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October 12, 2009 2:41:55 AM

The X58 based system is for the 'enthusiast' while the P55 based system is 'main stream'.

The P55 motherboards and i5 750 / i7 860 are actually 'newer', more recently released items than i7 920 and X58 motherboards.

On a P55 MB and it's Dual Channel RAM you'd go with 4GB and 2 sticks of RAM, 6GB of RAM with 4 sticks of RAM or 8GB of RAM with 4 sticks.
With X58 and its Triple Channel RAM you'd go with 3 sticks for 3GB, 3 sticks for 6GB or 6 sticks of RAM for 9GB (using a 3x2GB and 3x1GB) or 12GB (using a 6x2GB)

The issue of the 2.66Ghz vs 3.06Ghz and $275 falls into that "it's certainly fast enough' category I think. After all, you're not talking about getting the even faster i7 975 Extreme 3.2Ghz for $975.


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October 12, 2009 2:51:45 AM

Check this article and it's first chart: Maximum Single Core Turbo Frequency and it's explanation of Turbo Mode (auto-overclocking)
860 is 3.46GHz and 920 is 2.93GHz. And Win7 is 'smart enough' to use Turbo Mode to it's best advantage.
The 860 has the advantage of being more recently engineered to use Turbo Mode more aggressively.
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October 12, 2009 2:53:47 AM

"On a P55 MB and it's Dual Channel RAM you'd go with 4GB and 2 sticks of RAM, 6GB of RAM with 4 sticks of RAM or 8GB of RAM with 4 sticks.
With X58 and its Triple Channel RAM you'd go with 3 sticks for 3GB, 3 sticks for 6GB or 6 sticks of RAM for 9GB (using a 3x2GB and 3x1GB) or 12GB (using a 6x2GB) "

you made a mistake here.."6GB of RAM with 4 sticks of RAM"

funny here no one uses this kind of set up..."or 6 sticks of RAM for 9GB (using a 3x2GB and 3x1GB)"

that's a stupid setup 9gb 3x2 and 3x1..the config will bad..and maybe even lose performance..


to OP, post in this format..it gives us a better idea of what you want..
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

what does your dad do with this "new" computer, gaming..designing..etc..remember edit your post to that format.
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October 12, 2009 3:24:21 AM

overshocks said:
you made a mistake here.."6GB of RAM with 4 sticks of RAM".
6GB RAM, 4 sticks for P55 MB

Any reason why 3x2GB + 3x1GB would be any worse than 6x2GB? Whats your basis for saying it will be 'bad' or 'maybe even lose performance'?
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October 12, 2009 3:32:56 AM

WR2 said:
6GB RAM, 4 sticks for P55 MB

Any reason why 3x2GB + 3x1GB would be any worse than 6x2GB? Whats your basis for saying it will be 'bad' or 'maybe even lose performance'?


that will be a bad config..like i said before..the mobo runs 3x2 then suddenly on the third channel it runs 1x3gb. unbalanced. read some articles/reviews. no standard config will be 9gb..like i said it might even lose performance ..in the end its either 3gb or 6gb or 12gb for the X58 or 24gb with 4gb sticks

and here"you made a mistake here.."6GB of RAM with 4 sticks of RAM"
its the same case here.. its either 4gb or 8gb for the p55 mobo. using 2x2gb then 1x2gb? thats just too funny. bad config again.
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October 12, 2009 3:33:58 AM

Got review to back up that claim?
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October 12, 2009 3:34:51 AM

WR2 said:
Got review to back up that claim?


google is your friend. ask anyone else here that's an expert.
you ever see a review using 9gb on x58 ? or 6gb on p55? ur suggestions are unique

unbalanced is the key word here.
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October 12, 2009 3:43:42 AM

So you don't have any reviews to back your position?
If it was as bad a practice as you suggest you'd never expect to see it as an option on a warrantied main stream computer.
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October 12, 2009 3:46:00 AM

So with the P55, I'll have to go with 4 gigs, or 8gigs of ram... no 6?... I guess that could be done with the money I'd save from going from X58 to P55....

My dad games, not heavy load games, but he does play and he does a lot of work, config. blueprints.. etc, He's a building material salesman.

And as far as the "turbo" and Win.7 goes.... Let me get this straight... when he installs window's 7, It will take that 2.8ghz cpu and OC it as needed, then go back to 2.8?
Example: He's starts up a game, or a program for work, will win.7 up his cpu speed?
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October 12, 2009 3:52:56 AM

Beitzel15 said:
Example: He's starts up a game, or a program for work, will win.7 up his cpu speed?
If that game is single threaded (many are) and there isnt anything else happening in the background (anti-virus scan for example). Win7 will understand it can use 1 core of the CPU and bump up it's speed (turbo) as it starts to work the program. If 2 cores are in use the turbo mode limit will be lower, and so on till 4 cores are active and it runs at stock speeds to stay within the thermal design envelope.

You could run with 4, 6, or 8 GB of RAM but I'd recommend starting out with 4GB. You can always add RAM easily, later.

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October 12, 2009 3:56:16 AM

WR2 said:
If that game is single threaded (many are) and there isnt anything else happening in the background (anti-virus scan for example). Win7 will understand it can use 1 core of the CPU and bump up it's speed (turbo) as it starts to work the program. If 2 cores are in use the turbo mode limit will be lower, and so on till 4 cores are active and it runs at stock speeds to stay within the thermal design envelope.

You could run with 4, 6, or 8 GB of RAM but I'd recommend starting out with 4GB. You can always add RAM easily, later.


you are right with the first paragraph, but it's a BAD practice or CONFIG for 6GB on p55..like i said UNBALANCED...and you said i cant back up? go google. review some hexus and anandtech reviews. they suggest either 3gb or 6gb or 12gb for x58. 4gb or 8gb for p55.

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October 12, 2009 3:57:05 AM

overshocks said:
google is your friend. ask anyone else here that's an expert.
you ever see a review using 9gb on x58 ? or 6gb on p55? ur suggestions are unique

unbalanced is the key word here.
It seems 9GB on X58 doesn't hold back overclocking the i7 920. Thats usually where I'd expect to see problems if the RAM is un-balanced as you claim.

From the HardOCP forums - a member there running i7 920 @ 3.75ghz - Gigabyte x58-UD4P - 9gb RAM- GTX 285




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October 12, 2009 3:57:51 AM

WR2 said:
So you don't have any reviews to back your position?
If it was as bad a practice as you suggest you'd never expect to see it as an option on a warrantied main stream computer.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9849/ss008i.jpg


haha good job you found a noobie website that sells computers with 9gb..obviously this website just wants to get more money from novice users
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October 12, 2009 4:00:56 AM

WR2 said:
It seems 9GB on X58 doesn't hold back overclocking the i7 920. Thats usually where I'd expect to see problems if the RAM is un-balanced as you claim.

From the HardOCP forums - a member there running i7 920 @ 3.75ghz - Gigabyte x58-UD4P - 9gb RAM- GTX 285
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9656/ss009.jpg


good job here too. someone oc'd 3.75 with 9gb, logically why using 9gb to make system unbalanced? could get 12gb for a little more. go check hexus or anandtech reviews or any other good review sites/articles
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October 12, 2009 4:06:22 AM

If Dell and HP are selling X58 systems with 9GB (HP offers free 9GB upgrade at the moment) it can't possibly be the problem you say it is....can it?
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October 12, 2009 4:11:49 AM

WR2 said:
If Dell and HP are selling X58 systems with 9GB (HP offers free 9GB upgrade at the moment) it can't possibly be the problem you say it is....can it?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7254/ss010e.jpg


i love the fact you go into websites to show pcs sellin 9gb ..

it just proves that companies sell 9gb, but it doesnt prove 9gb is a good config. its just the company earns more money when people buy 9gb. 3x2gb + 3x1gb i mean come on honestly you think that's logically correct? also find me any reviews/articles that use 9gb for testing. because that's just ridiculous

why don't you link me to the website instead of imageshack?
why it say 9gb for 5 dimms?
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October 12, 2009 4:13:55 AM

You think Dell and HP would risk their reputation putting selling bad systems? I don't think so.

How about give us some references to show Dell and HP don't know what they're doing?
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October 12, 2009 4:15:27 AM

WR2 said:
You think Dell and HP would risk their reputation putting selling bad systems? I don't think so.

How about give us some references to show Dell and HP don't know what they're doing?


Im going to use 8gigs if I go with the P55. Doing a P55 build came out about $400 cheaper...... Im just not sure how the 2.8ghz i7 will hold perform...

Compare the 2.8 i7 to a 3.0ghz Q9650 quad core.....

Will the i7 be faster?
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October 12, 2009 4:19:04 AM

Beitzel15 said:
Im going to use 8gigs if I go with the P55. Doing a P55 build came out about $400 cheaper...... Im just not sure how the 2.8ghz i7 will hold perform...

Compare the 2.8 i7 to a 3.0ghz Q9650 quad core.....

Will the i7 be faster?


2.8 i7..you mean i7 860???
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October 12, 2009 4:22:54 AM

WR2 said:
You think Dell and HP would risk their reputation putting selling bad systems? I don't think so.

How about give us some references to show Dell and HP don't know what they're doing?


i never said bad system..its just that it's not smart to use 9gb.
dell and hp reputation sucks anyways (dell for its cheap air dissipation(explode dell laptop) , its for people who can't a computer on their own, but the trend is changing more DIY

edit: i'd love to keep arguing with you, but you honestly think 9gb is good?
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October 12, 2009 4:22:57 AM

Beitzel15 said:
Im going to use 8gigs if I go with the P55. Doing a P55 build came out about $400 cheaper...... Im just not sure how the 2.8ghz i7 will hold perform...

Compare the 2.8 i7 to a 3.0ghz Q9650 quad core..... Will the i7 be faster?
It's a mixed bag. Probably most of the time the i7 860 will be faster and in the future with new programs it's like to be even more effective.

The Q9650 quad core vs i7 860 comparison can be seen in the two benchmarks I linked in my first and third posts.

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October 12, 2009 4:26:21 AM

theres no point gettin i7 860 if you think about it, it's around the price of i7 920. only that ram and mobo will cost a little more. and i7 920 is more future proof. in the end i5 750 will fit your needs. best bang for the buck

to WR2, why you think 9gb isn't used for testing? umm...because it's stupid. 3x2 + 3x1. either get 3 , 6 , or 12 for x58

now OP said he's going for 8gig for p55 so no point arguing getting 6gb here.
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October 12, 2009 4:46:05 AM

overshocks said:
but the trend is changing more DIY
Where did you dig up that fact? Or is it an opinion?

I think its acceptable practice to use 9GB+X58 and 6GB+P55 if persons computing needs require that much RAM.
Have you found anything to convince me otherwise?



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October 12, 2009 4:49:34 AM

WR2 said:
Where did you dig up that fact? Or is it an opinion?

I think its acceptable practice to use 9GB+X58 and 6GB+P55 if persons computing needs require that much RAM.
Have you found anything to convince me otherwise?


that DIY trend i mentioned, google it it's a fact/becoming a fact. you can tell by so many people here DIY. not to mentioned other sites. and say people buying parts on newegg or other etailers to DIY..the trend...not getting prebuilts..because more people know that its better DIY..


well you think it's acceptable practice..ok whatever i don't have time to keep arguing.

lastly, you didn't answer this.
"to WR2, why you think 9gb isn't used for testing? umm...because it's stupid. 3x2 + 3x1. either get 3 , 6 , or 12 for x58"

makes more sense to use 6gb for triple channel rather than 9gb.

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October 12, 2009 4:52:45 AM

The only dominant trend google finds is more people switching from desktops to laptops.
Which kinda means LESS DIY activity...doesnt it?
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October 12, 2009 4:54:32 AM

WR2 said:
The only dominant trend google finds is more people switching from desktops to laptops.
Which kinda means LESS DIY activity...doesnt it?


im talkin about DIY in PC not the trend from pc to laptop. more ppl gettin parts themselves, like i said above
we are both tryin to help out others..again you didnt answer this.
"to WR2, why you think 9gb isn't used for testing? umm...because it's stupid. 3x2 + 3x1. either get 3 , 6 , or 12 for x58"

you know its the truth. now go contact the good review/article sites and ask them why not 9gb.
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October 12, 2009 4:56:32 AM

Why not save yourself the aggravation and publish the links to back up your opinions?
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October 12, 2009 1:25:33 PM

So the 920 at 2.66 is going to be more future proof than the 870 @ 2.80?
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October 12, 2009 3:12:52 PM

Yes Beitzel, it is more futureproof for the simple fact that in the next year or so he could drop in a hexacore. Plus triple channel RAM, which doesn't really affect anything right now but it may in the future. And you should overclock any of those chips...its a shame not too:)  Do like I did with the comp I built for my stepdad, when he said he didn't really want it overclocked...overclock it anyways:)  Thehe'll get used to the better performance and won't want to go down!
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October 12, 2009 3:17:58 PM

zach538467 said:
Yes Beitzel, it is more futureproof for the simple fact that in the next year or so he could drop in a hexacore. Plus triple channel RAM, which doesn't really affect anything right now but it may in the future. And you should overclock any of those chips...its a shame not too:)  Do like I did with the comp I built for my stepdad, when he said he didn't really want it overclocked...overclock it anyways:)  Thehe'll get used to the better performance and won't want to go down!


I dont really know how to OC, and I'd be worried about messing something up.
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October 12, 2009 3:24:32 PM

It's pretty simple really dude. Just overclock and don't mess with the voltage and you won't hurt it. There are literally hundreds of guides out there, and these new chips are fairly simple. You have to change like3 or 4 things in the bios and viola, faster! As long as you get a good cooler you won't fry anything and do proper testing to be sure everything is running smooth:)  They are fast stock, for sure, but when you can get the performance of a $1000 chip for $300 its nice! My little way of sticking it to the man...ha
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October 12, 2009 3:40:13 PM

Beitzel15 said:
So the 920 at 2.66 is going to be more future proof than the 870 @ 2.80?

Future-proofing would cost Intel (and others) beau coup profits so they'll do as little as possible.
But you do have options; It's not so much the i7 920 is more future proof as the X58 motherboard has a future advantage over the P55MB. As zach said the six-core Gulftowns are due out next year and it looks like they'll drop into the X58 boards with just a BIOS update.

But you'll have to 'pay to play' as it looks like the Gulftowns will run around $999 or more. If you save $400 now and bypass the ~$700 Gulftown upgrade in 2~3 years you'll have saved just about enough to get a 2011 Sandy Bridge 8-core system when its necessary to do an upgrade.
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October 12, 2009 3:46:25 PM

So, if I do the P55 thing, 8gigs of DDR3, with a GTS 2501gb with option to go SLI, or just get a better video card in a year or two, 850watt PSU, DARK KNIGHT CPU cooler, i7 860......Will this be good to go for atleast 2-3 years?
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October 12, 2009 3:50:51 PM

That's not to say there won't be P55 upgrade options. You can be sure Intel is working on ways to wring some extra profits out of P55 owners.
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October 12, 2009 3:57:32 PM

I think it would be very strong through the next 3 years. We'll all still be on Win7 and much of the new software we need is more likely to take advantage of multi-core, multi-threaded CPUs.

You can pin the video card choice to the resolution of the monitor. GTS 250/HD 4850 is a good match for 1680x1050.
For 1920x1080 you'll want to think dual GTS 250/HD 4850 or a GTX 275/4890 if you're a casual gamer.
PSU choice for dual GTS 250/HD 4850/HD 5850; a good quality 650W PSU will do fine.
There is the just about to be released HD 5770 video cards that are looking pretty sweet as well.
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October 12, 2009 4:15:01 PM

Have you decided on a case yet? One of the regular forum dwellers found a nice Combo Deal on NewEgg:
Huge deal ALERT!! newegg Caviar Black
Cooler Master RC-690 case and WD Caviar Black 640GB - $45 off.

Im also checking the DARK KNIGHT CPU cooler to see if it's socket 1156 ready/

edit;
Dark Knight doesnt have the 1156 mounting bracket included.
You'll want to look at one of the other XIGMATEK S1283 coolers and the seperate Xigmatek ACK-I5361 crossbow backplate kit. It's not at NewEgg yet but available at other online stores.
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October 12, 2009 5:43:30 PM

So, Im really leaning towards the P55 option....and if I do that, Im going to go with a single GTX 275 with a 850 watt psu, incase he wants to add another 275 later. The case I want to go with is the Cooler Master Scout Sniper.

I thought the Dark Knight said it was core i7 compatible? I dont see any 1156 cpu coolers at newegg?

And again, just to make sure.... with the 860, being it's 2.8ghz.... It will OC auto, everytime he runs a program/game? and how much does it OC?

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October 12, 2009 5:51:36 PM

Beitzel15 said:
So, Im really leaning towards the P55 option....and if I do that, Im going to go with a single GTX 275 with a 850 watt psu, incase he wants to add another 275 later. The case I want to go with is the Cooler Master Scout Sniper.

I thought the Dark Knight said it was core i7 compatible? I dont see any 1156 cpu coolers at newegg?

And again, just to make sure.... with the 860, being it's 2.8ghz.... It will OC auto, everytime he runs a program/game? and how much does it OC?


It doesn't overclock everytime he runs a program/game. The program/game either have to be single threaded, double, or triple. Single threaded being the highest overclocked because ONE CORE will be overclocked to it's max which is 3.46ghz(other cores are disabled). Double will lower because two cores. Triple, even lower because three cores. 4 cores, no overclock, from turbo boost.

I suggest you manually overclock it's way better. All four cores will run that speed 24/7. Say 3.6GHZ.

There's no point getting the i7 860, when you can get the i5 750 for lower price with similar performance or step up your game and get i7 920.
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October 12, 2009 6:18:33 PM

overshocks said:
It doesn't overclock everytime he runs a program/game. The program/game either have to be single threaded, double, or triple. Single threaded being the highest overclocked because ONE CORE will be overclocked to it's max which is 3.46ghz(other cores are disabled). Double will lower because two cores. Triple, even lower because three cores. 4 cores, no overclock, from turbo boost.

I suggest you manually overclock it's way better. All four cores will run that speed 24/7. Say 3.6GHZ.

There's no point getting the i7 860, when you can get the i5 750 for lower price with similar performance or step up your game and get i7 920.


Ohh, ok thank you. Im sure everything that will be done on this comp. will use atleast 2 cores, so any idea what it'll OC to then? Im not sure if he'll like that or not.... I want to do the P55 due to the big price dif. from that and the 950....... but I dont know.

I can't find any good videos on youtube of how to OC, and if I do that, wont it shorten the lifespan... since I can't find a 1156 cpu cooler?
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October 12, 2009 7:07:47 PM

Some 1156 socket coolers @ NewEgg
A review of the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Socket 1156 Heatsink

It might be helpful to look at how large a step up from the Pent 4 3Ghz you're looking at.
It gives you an idea you can't make a wrong choice with any of the Core i5 / i7 options.
Benchmark using Passmark = CPU Mark

Core i7 950 6370
Core i7 920 5446
Core i7 860 5400
Core i5 750 4007
Core2 Duo E8500 2111
- Pent 4 3Ghz > 450

sources: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html and http://www.cpubenchmark.net/low_end_cpus.html

Here is a good read about Turbo Boost: Intel’s Turbo Boost: Lynnfield Gets Afterburners
Lynnfield CPUs are the i5 750 and Core i7 860/870
I think it does a good job explaining how Win7 works with the CPU and motherboard to optimize performance.
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October 12, 2009 7:20:36 PM

Before you start feeling your E8500 is woefully underpowered understand Passmark = CPU Mark is more of a theoretical benchmark showing potential of a CPU than its actual performance in real world use.

On the other hand SYSMark 2007 shows more of the real world applications we all use and is probably a fairer comparison of how CPUs would perform for the majority of us. You can see the E8500 is no slouch in the real world.
I did find a Sysmark rating for the Pentium 4 630 3.0Ghz CPU. It's rating was 74
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October 12, 2009 7:37:44 PM

WR2 said:
You think Dell and HP would risk their reputation putting selling bad systems? I don't think so.

How about give us some references to show Dell and HP don't know what they're doing?


I agree but most average computer users won't understand that their problems are just coming from ram or they get slow downs from it being all unbalanced, they don't know any of this and companies like Dell and Hp take smart advantage of that for their benefit because firstly the user won't know that if they had a different setup they would have difference performance and secondly if a problem arises they will just go right back and buy a new computer ending ultimately in more profit for companies. However Dell and Hp do know what they are doing, they are reliable and good, they just take advantage of the right people and play this game very smart and thats why they are so popular.
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October 12, 2009 8:15:39 PM

Beitzel15 said:
Ohh, ok thank you. Im sure everything that will be done on this comp. will use atleast 2 cores, so any idea what it'll OC to then? Im not sure if he'll like that or not.... I want to do the P55 due to the big price dif. from that and the 950....... but I dont know.

I can't find any good videos on youtube of how to OC, and if I do that, wont it shorten the lifespan... since I can't find a 1156 cpu cooler?


Videos usually get confusing because most motherboards call different settings different names. Its better to just do some research and get a grasp of the concept rather than just watch some video. As far as shortening the life of the processor...well it depends, but even on the stock cooler these chip can reach 3.0 pretty easily, and, in my opinion, even if it shortens the life of the chip by like a year, it'll still probably last 5-6+ years and by then he'll have upgraded:)  There are coolers for the 1156 out there, I haven't researched it but I'm sure someone on here can give you a link...

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October 12, 2009 8:58:10 PM

WR2 said:
If that game is single threaded (many are) and there isnt anything else happening in the background (anti-virus scan for example). Win7 will understand it can use 1 core of the CPU and bump up it's speed (turbo) as it starts to work the program. If 2 cores are in use the turbo mode limit will be lower, and so on till 4 cores are active and it runs at stock speeds to stay within the thermal design envelope.


Instead of asking others ITT to back up their statements, let me ask you to back up yours. AFAIK, Win 7 cannot force the CPU to run in turbo mode (i.e., overclock itself). This is decided by a unit *inside* the CPU and has nothing to do with the operating system.
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October 12, 2009 9:07:40 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
I agree but most average computer users won't understand that their problems are just coming from ram or they get slow downs from it being all unbalanced, they don't know any of this and companies like Dell and Hp take smart advantage of that for their benefit because firstly the user won't know that if they had a different setup they would have difference performance and secondly if a problem arises they will just go right back and buy a new computer ending ultimately in more profit for companies. However Dell and Hp do know what they are doing, they are reliable and good, they just take advantage of the right people and play this game very smart and thats why they are so popular.


That's exactly what I've been trying to say to WR2 for a few posts. Good summary.
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October 12, 2009 9:12:35 PM

I would recommend the Hyper 212 Plus, it's like the best bang for the buck heatsink. Review is above provided by WR2. Although it may shorten the life of your CPU, but it'll still last you till your next upgrade. Say at least 5 years even with 3.8GHZ overclock on i5 750. I doubt you'll get this high overclock. 3.5GHZ on i5 750 is nice for 24/7 use.

But the i7 860 is different since the stock speed is higher than i5 750. (2.8GHZ) , if you aren't familiar with overclocking, go to the overclocking forums, you can do a overclock to 3.4GHZ with stock cooler with reasonable temperatures too.

So which one are you going to get?
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October 12, 2009 9:15:31 PM

overshocks said:
I would recommend the Hyper 212 Plus, it's like the best bang for the buck heatsink. Review is above provided by WR2. Although it may shorten the life of your CPU, but it'll still last you till your next upgrade. Say at least 5 years even with 3.8GHZ overclock on i5 750. I doubt you'll get this high overclock. 3.5GHZ on i5 750 is nice for 24/7 use.

But the i7 860 is different since the stock speed is higher than i5 750. (2.8GHZ) , if you aren't familiar with overclocking, go to the overclocking forums, you can do a overclock to 3.4GHZ with stock cooler with reasonable temperatures too.

So which one are you going to get?


Would I be better to overclock a 860 or a 920?

If I overclock, I'll stay around 3.0-3.2ghz.
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