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October 12, 2009 3:19:59 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (ASAP) BUDGET RANGE: (600-800)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (GAMING, then just basic stuff; music, movies etc...)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (I COULD come up with mouse, keyboard, speakers, BUT its old stuff and I'd be willing to spend for new if there's a good deal anywhere.)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (Probably newegg.com but cost is the main issue, if its cheaper elsewhere, I'll go there.)

PARTS PREFERENCES: (OK, this is my first build and I have basic PC knowledge but little regarding PSU, fans, or cooling in general actually. I'd LIKE to have a Intel i5 750, at least 4gb RAM, at least 512 VRAM, and a decent internal HD, but I already have a 500gb external so its not imperative. As far as the rest goes, I just want decent, well-priced parts that work well for demanding games.)

OVERCLOCKING: (No, don't really know what it is and it seems a little useless for my goals?) SLI OR CROSSFIRE: (Again, not 100% sure I understand this well enough to make a decision, hoping others would divulge their wisdom :) 

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Not sure yet, depends on monitor.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Building for my hs Senior Project, or at least thats my excuse for the parents :) 

More about : 600 800 decent gaming

October 12, 2009 3:26:37 AM

you can get a i5 750 build for 800 after rebate for sure. so no need to get a core 2 quad..because i5 750 beats anything before it.

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October 12, 2009 4:46:29 AM

overshocks said:
you can get a i5 750 build for 800 after rebate for sure. so no need to get a core 2 quad..because i5 750 beats anything before it.


Thanks overshocks, seems like a plan. I'll go with the 750 but what else do you guys recommend? I'm basically looking for a parts list with full compatibility from the ground up. All help is much appreciated :) 
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October 12, 2009 5:00:15 AM

alright fine ill help you out with a full list, ahh im lazyyyyy

but first answer this question, in the future are you planning to crossfire or sli

and wait, the 800 budget doesnt include monitor. do you need 1? then i5 750 might not be suitable for you

MOBO + CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


or this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 12, 2009 5:33:06 AM

haha thanks a lot, I understand your lethargy. Um, for the sake of simplicity, we'll say that the monitor is NOT included in the 800 but I do need one at some point. ( I looked at the i5 a little more closely and don't think I could go without now) And I am thoroughly uneducated about SLI/Crossfire. I have had mostly Nvidias so I like them over ATI but my bias has no foundation so I'll leave the choice for an expert.
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October 12, 2009 5:53:18 AM

All of those parts are good choices, let's see if you can finish that build under budget.

800 is good for an i5 build, but not with a good monitor included.

OK I couldn't fit a decent monitor into an i5 build, so you are back to an AMD build that can be upgraded down the road.

this is version 3... 800 ain't easy :) 

X3 720BE and Asus 785G MB -182
A capable 3-core CPU... somewhere down the road you can upgrade to a faster quad, but for now you will find this plenty... equivalent to an Intel E8400, which I use and have absolutely no need to replace. The board is just a single GPU board, not crossfire capable, but it does have a nice onboard video for backup.
OCZ DDR2 1066 CAS 5
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Antec 300 and BP500U PSU -95
The case is adequate now and can be upgraded with more fans later. The PSU is adequate for now.
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HD -55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical -29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Monitor -160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
While you might get by with a smaller monitor, I think 22" is pretty much standard these days. I have set you up with just enough GPU to handle it in most games at high settings... adding a second 4850 will cover the rest.

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4850 -95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Buy a second one when you can.

Vista 64-bit with Windows 7 upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

To be added later, an after market CPU cooler so that you can overclock the CPU.

With shipping, you should be at your budget cap.... possibly just over but you'll have rebates.
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October 12, 2009 5:58:28 AM

ahh proximon!! u beat me to it..i was just away..good find on the combo.

remember that mobo doesnt CF or SLI

"And I am thoroughly uneducated about SLI/Crossfire. I have had mostly Nvidias so I like them over ATI but my bias has no foundation so I'll leave the choice for an expert. "

okay lesson time, BASICALLY crossfire is a brand name for ATI Technologies' multi-GPU solution. The technology allows up to four graphics cards to be used in a single computer to improve graphics performance.

sli is a brand name for a multi-GPU solution developed by Nvidia for linking two or more video cards together to produce a single output. SLI is an application of parallel processing for computer graphics, meant to increase the processing power available for graphics.

info taken from wikipedia, more professional definition :D 
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October 12, 2009 6:20:04 AM

Yes I was thinking CF is probably not in the works, but perhaps a more powerful GPU instead along with a budget 22" monitor... I was on my laptop at work and ran out of time, so I'll dress that list up now.
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October 12, 2009 6:24:15 AM

Proximon said:
Yes I was thinking CF is probably not in the works, but perhaps a more powerful GPU instead along with a budget 22" monitor... I was on my laptop at work and ran out of time, so I'll dress that list up now.


totally agree. so are you doing 800 WITH monitor proximon
ill make a list too.
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October 12, 2009 6:35:01 AM

GPU + RAM Combo Price: $229.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

option 1 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $284.98 (it can crossfire,micro atx)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

vs

option 2 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $314.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

vs

option 3 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $289.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

O.S $109.99 (free coupon to windows 7)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical drive $28.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU + ANTEC 300 Combo Price: $129.94 (2 fans cheaper model, 10 bucks more for 3 fans with LED)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OVER BUDGET: even with cheapest mobo (option 1)
$836.87..have to cut down on GPU
or cut down GPU to 4850 and get better mobo ..like option 2 or option 3.

out of 800 budget

Monitor $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 12, 2009 6:49:27 AM

Doh I knew I forgot something.... OS.

Overshocks, the optical drive you have is IDE. He should use a SATA for the few bucks more.

I'll have to trim something off that build now.
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October 12, 2009 6:53:18 AM

Proximon said:
Doh I knew I forgot something.... OS.

Overshocks, the optical drive you have is IDE. He should use a SATA for the few bucks more.

I'll have to trim something off that build now.


thanks for the catch :D  didnt realize its IDE. ill change to urs
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October 12, 2009 6:56:02 AM

just an update proximon if u missed it. he said 800 exclude monitor and check out my monitor :D 

"haha thanks a lot, I understand your lethargy. Um, for the sake of simplicity, we'll say that the monitor is NOT included in the 800 but I do need one at some point. ( I looked at the i5 a little more closely and don't think I could go without now) "
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October 12, 2009 7:11:53 AM

/cry

Yes I missed it.

Yes, that Acer is on my short list, but I look at it this way.... more monitor needs more GPU to run at native resolution. Also the one I listed is faster, better in games.

The Acer you listed is better for high def movies and such though.

I think he should go with the UD4P and the 4850, then grab the second one later....

Or go a 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For any gaming build the biggest expense should be the GPU, not the CPU... so it seems to me CF 4850s or a single 5850.


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October 12, 2009 7:24:22 AM

Proximon said:
/cry

Yes I missed it.

Yes, that Acer is on my short list, but I look at it this way.... more monitor needs more GPU to run at native resolution. Also the one I listed is faster, better in games.

The Acer you listed is better for high def movies and such though.

I think he should go with the UD4P and the 4850, then grab the second one later....

Or go a 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For any gaming build the biggest expense should be the GPU, not the CPU... so it seems to me CF 4850s or a single 5850.


5850 is OVERKILL if he get your monitor 1680x1050.
dont forget my monitor is 1920x1080 at same price :D 
my build owns yours :D  no hard feelings hehe
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October 12, 2009 7:38:19 AM

None :)  I just gave up trying.

I'm thinking a lower cost AMD solution with a crossfire capable board, your monitor, and a 5850 at this point.

The 720BE comes with a nice AM3 790X combo as I recall.
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October 12, 2009 7:58:31 AM

Proximon said:
None :)  I just gave up trying.

I'm thinking a lower cost AMD solution with a crossfire capable board, your monitor, and a 5850 at this point.

The 720BE comes with a nice AM3 790X combo as I recall.


its just too bad i5 750 DOMINATES every amd processor..thats the thing..

at 800 bucks..its nice with 4870 1gb
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October 12, 2009 8:29:46 AM

Not in gaming it doesn't. Unless your idea of "dominates" is different to mine.
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October 12, 2009 8:59:47 AM

It's just a matter of bang for the buck.

You have to ask yourself what is going to be faster in games, because that's what the build is for.

An X2 550 with a 4890 is going to be faster in most games than an i5 with a 4850... at least at 1680x1050.

Just last month the SBM here at TH included an X2 550:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-gaming-pc,2424....

That's actually quite similar to one of the previous versions I had posted for the OP. It's not exactly how I would do it today, but it's a good demonstration of the correct ratio of CPU to GPU when the budget is tight.
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October 12, 2009 9:25:07 AM

Thanks Proximon, this is pretty much everything I'd like to run with the exception of the i5 and possibly a 1gb videocard. If you could swap those in would everything else run fine? It seems I might have to run a little over budget...


X3 720BE and Asus 785G MB -182
A capable 3-core CPU... somewhere down the road you can upgrade to a faster quad, but for now you will find this plenty... equivalent to an Intel E8400, which I use and have absolutely no need to replace. The board is just a single GPU board, not crossfire capable, but it does have a nice onboard video for backup.
OCZ DDR2 1066 CAS 5
---
Antec 300 and BP500U PSU -95
The case is adequate now and can be upgraded with more fans later. The PSU is adequate for now.
---
HD -55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181

Optical -29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106289

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Monitor -160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236050
While you might get by with a smaller monitor, I think 22" is pretty much standard these days. I have set you up with just enough GPU to handle it in most games at high settings... adding a second 4850 will cover the rest.

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4850 -95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102824
Buy a second one when you can.

Vista 64-bit with Windows 7 upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116677
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October 12, 2009 9:33:56 AM

Of course. I went through 3 different builds before I saw you didn't need the monitor in the budget, so Overshocks is probably closer to the mark.

It's getting late, but I'll just touch on the points...

i5 and a crossfire capable board
CL7 1600Mhz RAM with 1.65V or less.

4850 with a 650W PSU for future CF

OR a 4870 1GB with 750W PSU for CF


Oh... and look at this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
That an incredible deal on a case that is better than the Antec 300. And a very nice hard drive. Consider getting that right now before it disappears.
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October 12, 2009 4:54:18 PM

Dude OP, you missed my post. My build is up there..it's the i5 build.



GPU + RAM Combo Price: $229.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

option 1 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $284.98 (it can crossfire,micro atx)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

vs

option 2 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $314.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

vs

option 3 MOBO + CPU Combo Price: $289.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

O.S $109.99 (free coupon to windows 7)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical drive $28.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU + ANTEC 300 Combo Price: $129.94 (2 fans cheaper model, 10 bucks more for 3 fans with LED)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OVER BUDGET: even with cheapest mobo (option 1)
$836.87..have to cut down on GPU
or cut down GPU to 4850 and get better mobo ..like option 2 or option 3.

out of 800 budget, but big performance gain against AMD

Monitor $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 12, 2009 4:55:41 PM

randomizer said:
Not in gaming it doesn't. Unless your idea of "dominates" is different to mine.


Umm i5 750 beats the amd 965 be in gaming too..so what are you talking about?(correct me if i'm WRONG) I'm talking about overall, not just 965 beating i5 in one game. and it's best bang for the buck as opposed to 965 being 50 dollars more (last time i checked)
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October 12, 2009 4:57:06 PM

Proximon said:
It's just a matter of bang for the buck.

You have to ask yourself what is going to be faster in games, because that's what the build is for.

An X2 550 with a 4890 is going to be faster in most games than an i5 with a 4850... at least at 1680x1050.

Just last month the SBM here at TH included an X2 550:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-gaming-pc,2424....

That's actually quite similar to one of the previous versions I had posted for the OP. It's not exactly how I would do it today, but it's a good demonstration of the correct ratio of CPU to GPU when the budget is tight.


"An X2 550 with a 4890 is going to be faster in most games than an i5 with a 4850... at least at 1680x1050."

Yes, you are right here of course. The GPU is 4890 with x2 550, and i5 with a 4850. BUT, in this situation the OP can go with my build and get the 4870 WITH the i5 750. So the peformance will RAPE any amd CPU + 4870. That's what I meant when I said "dominates" every amd cpu.


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October 12, 2009 6:02:27 PM

NP, the OP really wants an i5 anyway ;) 

Different things are important to different people. Some folks will say they want a gaming rig, when really they want a very quiet gaming rig, for instance. Or they want shorter load times in Crysis more than they want frame rates.
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October 12, 2009 6:18:16 PM

Proximon said:
NP, the OP really wants an i5 anyway ;) 

Different things are important to different people. Some folks will say they want a gaming rig, when really they want a very quiet gaming rig, for instance. Or they want shorter load times in Crysis more than they want frame rates.


Now, we'll wait for the OP to come back and take a look at my build. It's great for the price. I might even buy this myself editing some parts.
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October 12, 2009 9:56:00 PM

I understand he wants an i5 but why is no one explaining to him that if he takes the money out of the CPU/mobo (what is the price difference, $100+?) he'll get better performance in games with a better video card (or Xfire/SLi).

We all know the i5/i7 lines are good, but when people are on a budget for gaming, they are NOT the way to go -- the money is better invested elsewhere, unless they just want to play GTA IV.
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October 12, 2009 10:53:58 PM

overshocks said:
Umm i5 750 beats the amd 965 be in gaming too..so what are you talking about?(correct me if i'm WRONG) I'm talking about overall, not just 965 beating i5 in one game. and it's best bang for the buck as opposed to 965 being 50 dollars more (last time i checked)


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=363...
http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/pa...
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/lynn...
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=9

Beats? Perhaps. Dominates? Well that's a matter of defining "dominates" first. The only notable difference here is Far Cry 2 in Anandtech's review. Hexus' review shows otherwise once the details are turned up to high (medium in Anandtech's review). But they may be using different video card setups as well, I didn't bother to check.
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October 12, 2009 11:35:11 PM

Alright I pretty much have it narrowed down and plan on ordering tonight, just wanted a little feedback and RECOMMENDATIONS before I do. Please let me know if everything is compatible/logical. Went way over budget but I'm ok with that for the right build.

GPU & RAM combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

22" Asus screen
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD & Case combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Gigabyte MOBO & i5 combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Missing anything? PSU maybe, not sure. Let me know how well this would run new games such as Aion, Fallout 3, etc...

Thanks for all help
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October 13, 2009 12:09:44 AM

randomizer said:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=363...
http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/pa...
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/lynn...
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=9

Beats? Perhaps. Dominates? Well that's a matter of defining "dominates" first. The only notable difference here is Far Cry 2 in Anandtech's review. Hexus' review shows otherwise once the details are turned up to high (medium in Anandtech's review). But they may be using different video card setups as well, I didn't bother to check.



Okay fine. i5 750 "beats" all amd cpus. Remember the 965 is $50 more than i5 750. and it still gets beaten by i5 750..so it DOMINATES for its price


TO OP, remember that gigabyte UD3R doesn't crossfire as good as the UD4P
UD3R has x16 x4
UD4P has x8 x8..
here it is mobo+CPU ..30 dollars more for future proof..if you add another video card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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October 13, 2009 12:17:23 AM

Well the 955 is marginally slower than the 965 and about the same price as the 750, so it's still not a domination of all AMD CPUs, just most ;) . I rarely recommend the 965 now unless it's marginally more expensive than the 955 and the person doesn't want to overclock.
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October 13, 2009 1:22:09 AM

randomizer said:
Well the 955 is marginally slower than the 965 and about the same price as the 750, so it's still not a domination of all AMD CPUs, just most ;) . I rarely recommend the 965 now unless it's marginally more expensive than the 955 and the person doesn't want to overclock.


In the end, we know i5 750 beats all the amd cpus at a price below $200. That's a significant mile stone on Intel's part. I wonder what AMD is doing/planning...next

haha come to think of it intel vs amd+ati vs nvidia. funny...

intels launch on the larabee will be quite interesting..seeing how they said it's performance is like gtx 285..i doubt it though
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October 13, 2009 2:08:46 AM

Thanks overshocks, I'll trust your judgment and go with that mobo combo instead. My main concern tonight would be that I'm pretty sure I'm missing a power supply!?
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October 13, 2009 2:15:34 AM

dwavrin said:
Thanks overshocks, I'll trust your judgment and go with that mobo combo instead. My main concern tonight would be that I'm pretty sure I'm missing a power supply!?


No, I included the PSU with the CASE look here.


PSU + ANTEC 300 Combo Price: $129.94 (2 fans cheaper model, 10 bucks more for 3 fans with LED)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

but the case + hdd combo you found is nice.. 45 discount
so just get the PSU separately.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 13, 2009 2:29:14 AM
October 13, 2009 3:45:55 AM

^looks amazing
when you get it, post some results, great to hear I can help :D 
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