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October 12, 2009 1:29:21 PM


First time to build a system.

The new one would replace my old P4 2.4G (Dell Dimension 4600).

I mainly use the desktop for programming (Fortran, Matlab, R), P2P online video (PPstream, pplive), games occasionally (not that enthusiastic, most games are pretty old such as starcraft, warcraft, Heroes, Diablo), websurfing.


I am inclined to choose I5 (and OC it a little bit) since it is very fast and especially quiet ( I tried AMD 945, but very noisy). My budget is pretty flexible (800-1500) and plan to get this one by early Nov.


1. i5-750 + Gigabyte GA-p55 $344.98

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

2 $50
COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3 $80
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Alternative 2 + 3 ($110)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



4. $86

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. $32
DVD-RW

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Writer - Bulk - LightScribe Support
- OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. HD $85

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7 Graphic card $70

(a)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(b)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8. Monitor

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=114818...


9. Fan? Anything else?

Thanks a lot

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October 12, 2009 5:49:28 PM

So you are looking for quiet as well? I don't think you need to go with the 650TX.

Yes it's very quiet but so are others. 650W is clearly beyond what you need.

let's try this:
OCZ 500W PSU and Caviar Green 1TB
Antec P180 mATX case Very quiet, sound insulated case.
--
i5 750 and Gigabyte UD2 mATX board You're not a big gamer and not planning to crossfire, so you don't need the extra slot, or the big tower case that goes with it.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 CL7 faster by a fair bit over the CL 9 set you had picked out.
---
4770 Just a little more power that you need to drive a 22" monitor, but still runs cool and fairly quiet.
---

Don't buy the monitor without checking out the Costco return policy. You don't want to have to ship it off because it has dead pixels. As long as they will exchange it it sounds like a good deal. If not, try Best Buy or some such... you are right in wanting to buy it locally.

Add the other parts in there and I think you are set. no need for more fans.
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October 12, 2009 6:03:32 PM

Proximon said:
So you are looking for quiet as well? I don't think you need to go with the 650TX.

Yes it's very quiet but so are others. 650W is clearly beyond what you need.

let's try this:
OCZ 500W PSU and Caviar Green 1TB
Antec P180 mATX case Very quiet, sound insulated case.
--
i5 750 and Gigabyte UD2 mATX board You're not a big gamer and not planning to crossfire, so you don't need the extra slot, or the big tower case that goes with it.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 CL7 faster by a fair bit over the CL 9 set you had picked out.
---
4770 Just a little more power that you need to drive a 22" monitor, but still runs cool and fairly quiet.
---

Don't buy the monitor without checking out the Costco return policy. You don't want to have to ship it off because it has dead pixels. As long as they will exchange it it sounds like a good deal. If not, try Best Buy or some such... you are right in wanting to buy it locally.

Add the other parts in there and I think you are set. no need for more fans.


Totally agree with you, but no need 4770, just get 4670. he uses ppstream and low end gaming..starcraft..diablo

OP, the RAM you suggested is horrible because it's 9-9-9 latencies at 1600mhz
October 12, 2009 6:12:30 PM

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October 12, 2009 6:13:17 PM

Proximon said:
Overshocks, you don't need to be so offensive. Try "I disagree" rather than "big fail."


I didn't know it was considered that "offensive". I'll change it up.
October 12, 2009 6:18:43 PM

Thanks! remember, it's not a competition, just people being kind enough to invest their time.
October 12, 2009 6:24:09 PM

overshocks said:
^Big fail, he doesn't need that mobo and graphics card.


Lol, I knew you'd post with one of your trademark annoying posts eventually :lol: 

Why are you so sure he doesn't need that graphics card :??: . The way I see it, if he's still using his old Pentium 4 rig now, he'll likely be keeping this rig for a very very long time without doing any upgrades. Who's to say he won't buy Diablo 2 or other new games? With a $1500 budget, I'm sure he can afford to splurge a little on the graphics card.
October 12, 2009 6:49:42 PM

build said:
Lol, I knew you'd post with one of your trademark annoying posts eventually :lol: 

Why are you so sure he doesn't need that graphics card :??: . The way I see it, if he's still using his old Pentium 4 rig now, he'll likely be keeping this rig for a very very long time without doing any upgrades. Who's to say he won't buy Diablo 2 or other new games? With a $1500 budget, I'm sure he can afford to splurge a little on the graphics card.


Good point. I suspect the OP will make up his own mind on that anyway.
October 12, 2009 9:01:40 PM

Quote:
I'd stay away from s1156 until the capacitor blowing issues are addressed by Intel.


No, that's only on the cheapest mobos the ones around $100-120
the UD4P mobo I suggested has no problems. Stop copying and pasting this line ZZFH
October 12, 2009 9:03:13 PM

This is news to me. Does someone have a link?
October 12, 2009 9:04:09 PM

build said:
Lol, I knew you'd post with one of your trademark annoying posts eventually :lol: 

Why are you so sure he doesn't need that graphics card :??: . The way I see it, if he's still using his old Pentium 4 rig now, he'll likely be keeping this rig for a very very long time without doing any upgrades. Who's to say he won't buy Diablo 2 or other new games? With a $1500 budget, I'm sure he can afford to splurge a little on the graphics card.


Well his budget is actually 800-1500, and I said that graphics card wasn't needed because of his current games..I didn't talk about future, so nice try. With his 1500 budget, he can get 5850, so what's your point.
October 12, 2009 9:19:26 PM

Proximon said:
This is news to me. Does someone have a link?


What are you asking for? The capacitors issue? Clearly ZZFH, didn't read the entire article to realize it's only on the cheapest mobos like I said before.
October 12, 2009 10:31:40 PM

Updated with new advice.

1 CPU $190

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

2. RAM + MB $215

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

It seems the following motherboard has some issues (RAM, overclock etc). Do you think the above one is better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UD4P $155: A BETTER ONE? (Isn't I5 poor with SLI & CrossFireX? seems this one is ideal for I7)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

3. $32
DVD-RW

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Writer - Bulk - LightScribe Support
- OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(b)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Monitor $170
(a)
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=114818...

(b)
Samsung 23" 2333SW LCD Monitor + Logitech Wireless MK300 Keyboard + Mouse Bundle $170, Oct 12
Dell Small Business has Samsung 23" 2333SW LCD Monitor + Logitech Wireless Desktop MK 300 Keyboard and Mouse Bundle for $170 with free shipping. Offer expires 10/13/09 at 5:59am CT, or after 1500 units sold. [Comments]
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?s...

5. Graphic card 110

*update:

(a)
HD4850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(b)
HD4670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


6. Case + PSU

(a)
coupled with HD 4850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

(b)
Coupled with HD4670
case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $55
PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


old Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $90


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $55

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $50

7. HD

WD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is WD Green better than Samsung? (quieter and less power consumption)

Question:

1) Motherboard

A:

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

B:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems motherboard A has some issues with the memory and overclock. I hope B could overcome it. I think UD4P is more powerful for SLI and Crossfire and thus, ideal for I7 instead of I5, right? (Isn't I5 poor with SLI and crossfire?)



2) Case

There are too many cases there. What about case 2 and 3 ($55 and $50 respectively) compared to case 1 ($90)? To be frank, I do not know how to evaluate them. I just think the former two have more and better reviews than the latter one and thus might be a better fit.

3) I am not that picky with the noise. Maybe I am not clear with this!
My friend has two computers: one is Dell XPS 8000 (i5) and really quiet, the other one is ZT Systems (AMD Phenom II 945) and the fan is very loud. This might not be a direct good comparison since the latter one has better configurations than the first one.

4) I will also play some games but not to that extreme level. The most recent one is Warcraft III (Reign of Chaos, frozen throne). I hope my graphic card could handle some recent ones reasonably well, but I am not that demanding.

5)
If I choose HD4670, 400W PSU should be enough; the other pair 4850 paired with 650W PSU. Is 650W too much for HD4850 and after overclock cpu?

I would proceed to the parts pretty soon and am inclined to pick the DELL deal (Monitor + keyboard + mouse) TONIGHT.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?s...


Thanks for your comments and advice.
October 12, 2009 11:19:16 PM

okay first off, how much you planning to overclock ?? small? because this affects what case you'll pick..and if new heatsink is needed or not.

1)
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard is better.

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard. This mobo is micro atx..so it's smaller.

Both mobos can only run x16 x4..that means when you crossfire in the future it will be a PERFORMANCE hit..which is not good. but for your budget this is the best you can do. it won't be much performance hit because it's only a 4770. but if you dont plan on crossfiring after, then both boards work.

I would pick the GA-p55-ud3r , if i were you if you are not willing to spend a little more to get UD4P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

IF You are willing to spend a little extra
the ud4p IS THE BEST for the price..it has x8 x8 sli/crossfire so better future proof, better overclocking..etc..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


2)
DVD-RW + PSU $87 . the DVD-RW uses IDE..your mobo don't support it.

so here get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Okay, lets make things clear. Don't trust newegg reviews..most of them are noobs..if you know what I mean

3+4)
For Case + PSU, best combo I can find...(that means dont get the DVD-RW +PSU combo you suggested, because it don't work)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

this is the cheap antec 300 version. 2 fans. +PSU

10 dollars more , you can get the antec 300 + same PSU. 3 fans with LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


5) video card
i would suggest you paying a little more now, to get the 4850. it can play games at 1680x1050 no problems . med-high settings. the 4770 will be slow compared to it. 4850 is more future proof i guess.

4850 1GB here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

get the 512mb if you think it's too pricy, but 1GB will be better only 10-20 dollars more

monitor
"I would proceed to the parts pretty soon and am inclined to pick the DELL deal (Monitor + keyboard + mouse) TONIGHT. "

you forgot the link

hard drive, do you really need 1TB? if not get this. $55 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 13, 2009 12:45:48 AM

Thank you all for the detailed comments.

I updated with my build.



overshocks said:
okay first off, how much you planning to overclock ?? small? because this affects what case you'll pick..and if new heatsink is needed or not.

1)
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard is better.

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard. This mobo is micro atx..so it's smaller.

Both mobos can only run x16 x4..that means when you crossfire in the future it will be a PERFORMANCE hit..which is not good. but for your budget this is the best you can do. it won't be much performance hit because it's only a 4770. but if you dont plan on crossfiring after, then both boards work.

I would pick the GA-p55-ud3r , if i were you if you are not willing to spend a little more to get UD4P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

IF You are willing to spend a little extra
the ud4p IS THE BEST for the price..it has x8 x8 sli/crossfire so better future proof, better overclocking..etc..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


2)
DVD-RW + PSU $87 . the DVD-RW uses IDE..your mobo don't support it.

so here get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Okay, lets make things clear. Don't trust newegg reviews..most of them are noobs..if you know what I mean

3+4)
For Case + PSU, best combo I can find...(that means dont get the DVD-RW +PSU combo you suggested, because it don't work)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

this is the cheap antec 300 version. 2 fans. +PSU

10 dollars more , you can get the antec 300 + same PSU. 3 fans with LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


5) video card
i would suggest you paying a little more now, to get the 4850. it can play games at 1680x1050 no problems . med-high settings. the 4770 will be slow compared to it. 4850 is more future proof i guess.

4850 1GB here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

get the 512mb if you think it's too pricy, but 1GB will be better only 10-20 dollars more

monitor
"I would proceed to the parts pretty soon and am inclined to pick the DELL deal (Monitor + keyboard + mouse) TONIGHT. "

you forgot the link

hard drive, do you really need 1TB? if not get this. $55 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best solution

October 13, 2009 1:18:38 AM
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bluesz said:
Thank you all for the detailed comments.

I updated with my build.


wheres the update?

i think you missed my overclock question. here it is again

"okay first off, how much you planning to overclock ?? small? because this affects what case you'll pick..and if new heatsink is needed or not. "

if you can, select me as best answer :D  i want the points
October 13, 2009 1:58:49 AM


I might overclock it to reasonably stable state: is 3.5G reasonably stable?

I updated your advice in my old post. However, here, I post it again.







1 CPU $190

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

2. RAM + MB $215

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

It seems the following motherboard has some issues (RAM, overclock etc). Do you think the above one is better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UD4P $155: A BETTER ONE? (Isn't I5 poor with SLI & CrossFireX? seems this one is ideal for I7)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

3. $32
DVD-RW

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Writer - Bulk - LightScribe Support
- OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(b)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Monitor $170
(a)
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=114818...

(b)
Samsung 23" 2333SW LCD Monitor + Logitech Wireless MK300 Keyboard + Mouse Bundle $170, Oct 12
Dell Small Business has Samsung 23" 2333SW LCD Monitor + Logitech Wireless Desktop MK 300 Keyboard and Mouse Bundle for $170 with free shipping. Offer expires 10/13/09 at 5:59am CT, or after 1500 units sold. [Comments]
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?s...

5. Graphic card 110

*update:

(a)
HD4850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(b)
HD4670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


6. Case + PSU

(a)
coupled with HD 4850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

(b)
Coupled with HD4670
case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $55
PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


old Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $90


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $55

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $50

7. HD

WD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is WD Green better than Samsung? (quieter and less power consumption)

Question:

1) Motherboard

A:

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

B:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems motherboard A has some issues with the memory and overclock. I hope B could overcome it. I think UD4P is more powerful for SLI and Crossfire and thus, ideal for I7 instead of I5, right? (Isn't I5 poor with SLI and crossfire?)



2) Case

There are too many cases there. What about case 2 and 3 ($55 and $50 respectively) compared to case 1 ($90)? To be frank, I do not know how to evaluate them. I just think the former two have more and better reviews than the latter one and thus might be a better fit.

3) I am not that picky with the noise. Maybe I am not clear with this!
My friend has two computers: one is Dell XPS 8000 (i5) and really quiet, the other one is ZT Systems (AMD Phenom II 945) and the fan is very loud. This might not be a direct good comparison since the latter one has better configurations than the first one.

4) I will also play some games but not to that extreme level. The most recent one is Warcraft III (Reign of Chaos, frozen throne). I hope my graphic card could handle some recent ones reasonably well, but I am not that demanding.

5)
If I choose HD4670, 400W PSU should be enough; the other pair 4850 paired with 650W PSU. Is 650W too much for HD4850 and after overclock cpu?

I would proceed to the parts pretty soon and am inclined to pick the DELL deal (Monitor + keyboard + mouse) TONIGHT.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?s...


Thanks for your comments and advice.
October 13, 2009 7:17:41 AM



Thanks! I think Thomas is full of it. ( I only say that because I know he would say the same about me :)  )

Anandtech overclocked the ASRock board with no problems:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3652&p=10

I don't trust the Coolermaster PSU being used in that article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-p55-motherbo...
and think that could have easily contributed to the problem.

Finally, one reviewers results does not make gospel.
October 13, 2009 3:45:14 PM

overshocks said:
Well his budget is actually 800-1500, and I said that graphics card wasn't needed because of his current games..I didn't talk about future, so nice try. With his 1500 budget, he can get 5850, so what's your point.


"800-1500" = 1500 max. And I'm saying it will be useful for the future, I couldn't care less what your talking about. Are you gonna say that's a big fail too :??: 

Anyway, it's solved now, but as Proximon said, try to remember this is not a competition, we're all just giving our own inputs. You're so desperate for "best answers" that you resort to attacking other people's posts, at least that's the conclusion I've come to from reading some of your posts :lol: 
October 13, 2009 9:55:09 PM

As a newbie, I am really grateful to everybody's input. Everybody has different opinions and especially, I think sometimes, it can be more difficult if to figure out what the person actually wants (like me)

Anyway, I appreciate your help.

!