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Dell GTX 260 - Totally Underclocked

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October 24, 2009 6:28:14 PM

Hi there,

I have an interesting story and question for the community. I recently ordered a Dell XPS 9000 that was bundled with the GTX 260 1,792 MB version. After some research, I was beginning to read reports from other buyers that their GTX 260 wasn't really achieving the performance it should have been.

A few users were claiming that their clock speeds were 515 Mhz and only the 192 stream processors instead of the sweet core 216 that's been floating around for a while. So....I emailed my Dell tech and asked him what the actual performance specs for the GTX 260 in the XPS 9000 was.

Sure enough, the stats came back at 515 Mhz, and 1080 Mhz processor clock - well below what other GTX 260's are getting. I came to the conclusion that Dell was underclocking the card for stability since the XPS 9000 was only using a 475 PS.

After about 2 days, Dell deleted my thread citing I was violating the TOS.

Anyhooooo...I'm still thinking of getting the XPS 9000 (sweet case, great price) and just getting the cheapest card I can, which I think is a GTS 220, and then buying a third party GTX 260 Core 216 card.

My question to you guys is, do you think the 475 W PS is enough for the card? I've heard Dell dramatically underrates their PS and that you'd even be hard pressed to max out 475 Watts with a 260, even an OC 260.

The rest of the XPS 9000 specs are:

i7 920
6 GB DDR3 RAM
500 GB SATA HD

Any feedback is much appreciated.


October 24, 2009 6:52:18 PM

If you think the PSU bundled with the system can handle a CTX 260 at stock clocks, why don't you just overclock it to stock clock speeds using Riva Tuner or CCC or something?
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October 24, 2009 6:57:43 PM

xbonez said:
If you think the PSU bundled with the system can handle a CTX 260 at stock clocks, why don't you just overclock it to stock clock speeds using Riva Tuner or CCC or something?


Firstly, I don't know if the PSU can handle it. That's why I'm asking. Secondly, the 192 stream processor limitation is a hardware limitation.
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a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2009 7:02:39 PM

Get the HD 4870 1 GB instead. More bang than the 216/260's for the same or less money online.

Even though they underclocked the 192/260, it seems to me they wouldn't put a PSU in there and leave such minimal overhead. This suggests it should handle either the 216/260 or HD 4870 1 GB just fine.
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October 24, 2009 8:20:34 PM

skwurl said:
Firstly, I don't know if the PSU can handle it. That's why I'm asking. Secondly, the 192 stream processor limitation is a hardware limitation.



I wonder if it's underclocked due to heat concerns? Dell doesn't usually advertise high performance airflow.
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October 24, 2009 10:49:34 PM

1. Build your own system and it'll be at least 40% cheaper with better parts
2. Try digitalstorm, Cyberpowerpc, or ibuypower for better options than Dell
3. 1.7 GB of RAM is totally useless for a GTX260
4. Yes, a 475watt is enough for a GTX260...Dell PSUs are also pretty decent
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October 24, 2009 11:49:56 PM

Minus_i7 said:
I wonder if it's underclocked due to heat concerns? Dell doesn't usually advertise high performance airflow.


Never thought of that. I suppose it's possible, but it seems strange. I imagine it would be for stability, but I'm just not sure.
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October 24, 2009 11:50:06 PM

Bluescreendeath said:

4. Yes, a 475watt is enough for a GTX260...Dell PSUs are also pretty decent


Just wanted to reiterate this statement.

PS;
1- This thread isn't as funny as the one at EVGA
2- No it's not underclocked due to airflow or weak psu, more than likely has to do with the fact that Dell gets the bottom of the barrel chips that couldn't cut it as a retail card, even my old Dell 6800nu was clocked lower than the reference card.
3- Dell doesn't underrate thier psu's, they are rated as per the max continuous output and typically have a relatively high 12v output, unlike many generics that are rated according to peak output.

If you are intent on getting the Dell, buy your video card elsewhere, it will be less expensive and you'll end up with a better card.

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October 25, 2009 12:17:21 AM

delluser1 said:
Just wanted to reiterate this statement.

PS;
1- This thread isn't as funny as the one at EVGA
2- No it's not underclocked due to airflow or weak psu, more than likely has to do with the fact that Dell gets the bottom of the barrel chips that couldn't cut it as a retail card, even my old Dell 6800nu was clocked lower than the reference card.
3- Dell doesn't underrate thier psu's, they are rated as per the max continuous output and typically have a relatively high 12v output, unlike many generics that are rated according to peak output.

If you are intent on getting the Dell, buy your video card elsewhere, it will be less expensive and you'll end up with a better card.


Lol.

I was wondering if anyone was going to notice that I posted this at EVGA. Wasn't sure if I was going to get any feedback over there - however, both threads are very informative, if not a little conflicting.

Anyways, why would Nvidia spec a min 500W requirement if you think the 475 could handle it? You think they're just playing it safe, or do think the Dell PSU are better than most.
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October 25, 2009 12:19:19 AM

skwurl said:
Lol.

I was wondering if anyone was going to notice that I posted this at EVGA. Wasn't sure if I was going to get any feedback over there - however, both threads are very informative, if not a little conflicting.

Anyways, why would Nvidia spec a min 500W requirement if you think the 475 could handle it? You think they're just playing it safe, or do think the Dell PSU are better than most.


Cuz 500watts is recommended if you're using a crap PSU that overrate their abilities.
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October 25, 2009 12:43:06 AM

Yeah, I've heard from several posters and other sources that the Dell PS are actually really good.
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January 13, 2010 8:15:33 AM

I have a 8000 with a XPS 8000. I used Riva tuner to turn it up to the 576/1242 and have zero issues. Although I did upgrade the PSU to a ULTRA 550 Gold.
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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 8:42:27 AM

I also heard the same. But along with the under-rating of PSU, there's also a question of stability. I have heard people using Dell say that they are pretty reliable. But i cannot confirm coz i don't like bundled PC's and have never used a Dell other than a laptop.

Wattage-wise 475W is enough for a GTX260.
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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 10:58:20 AM

another prime example how pre-built systems suck.
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January 13, 2010 12:06:47 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
I also heard the same. But along with the under-rating of PSU, there's also a question of stability. I have heard people using Dell say that they are pretty reliable.

My nephew is still using my old XPS410
E6400 2.13 @ 2.4 ( yes , software overclocking work's )
8800 GTS 640 OC
Dual 80g HD's
Dual DVD drives
2x2g ram
The 2 stock cooling fans have a max draw of 4.1 amps combined, and 3 x 80mm fans were added to the system.
375 watt Dell psu
It's been running like that for 3 years.
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January 25, 2010 8:28:34 PM

Could anyone do a Benchmark on how badly it has been Underclocked? thinking of getting a Area-51 or a studio 8100 (9000 isn't ready yet here in europe)
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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 8:45:41 PM

Stay away from pre-builts... Build you own... in the end you will have a more powerfull machine and some cash in your pocket....
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January 25, 2010 9:18:27 PM

Yes, that is true, but currently my HDD gave up on me, so I'm forced to buy one, (I'm on a awfully old laptop)However, I can't magically make 2000 euros appear, so I have to pay in terms.

I was going along with a 870 i7 Hyperthreadning and all, 8 GB of Ram, and that Underclocked Card, with a monitor all in for a price under the 1800 €

Or pay 3.1k€ for a i7 975, SLI HD 5770's( I can upgrade the cards anytime), 6 GB of Tri-Channel and no Monitor


Choices Choices...we have a saying here in dutch, 'Je betaalt niet in termijnen voor een broodje) In other words, you don't pay in terms for a sandwich.
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January 25, 2010 11:35:31 PM

Anybody here knowing how bad the effects are yet?

Any response would be appreciated, O, and I ordered the 8100, I'd figure buying the Gold 550 WATT and a other GTX card would save me a thousand bucks, hope the warrenty wont void though.
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