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October 14, 2009 2:01:55 PM

So, I had this build, went to Xtreme systems and asked for help, and got this build that was better and cheaper! Tell me what you think.

Budget: $2000

Case[Total Price: 89.99] Xclio Blackhawk
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor[Total Price: 199.99] Intel i7 920
http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?pro...

Motherboard[Total Price: 289.99(Asus)/284.99(EVGA)]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Asus)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (EVGA)

Ram[Total Price: 184.99] Mushkin 6gb DDR3 (3x2gb) 6-7-6-18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card[Total Price: 759.98] Sapphire HD5870 (two)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive[Total Price: $149.98] Samsung F3 (two)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD-Drive[Total Price: $32.99] (i'll be harvesting from other comps for more)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply[Total Price: $139.99] Corsair CMPSU-850TX 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heat Sink [Total Price: $62.95] Prolimatech Megahalem rev-B
http://www.jab-tech.com/Prolimatech-Megahalems-CPU-Cool...

CPU Fan x2 [Total Price: $7.20] Yate Loon High Speed
http://www.jab-tech.com/YATE-LOON-120mm-Case-Fan-D12SH-...

Thermal Compound[Total Price: $19.95] Indigo Xtreme Thermal Interface Material
http://www.jab-tech.com/Indigo-Xtreme-Thermal-Interface...

Totals:

ASUS - $1918.00 after MIRBS
EVGA - $1893.00 after MIRBS

Whatcha think?

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October 14, 2009 2:17:43 PM

You're certainly picking top notch parts. If the XFX 5870s are in stock, I'd chose those over the Sapphires, it's nice having a double lifetime warranty that XFX gives you, though if it's out of stock, I'd stay with the Sapphire.

Also, my Promlitech Megahalem came with some pretty nice thermal paste. Not sure if $20 "Interface Material" is really all that much better, but if you are set on getting it, it would be nice to see a comparison on the cooling difference once your build is finished :) 
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October 14, 2009 2:29:20 PM

Ooh, they even give you gloves... why no hair net and labcoat as well? ;) 

But yeah, those are impressive results, and if I wanted to do an insane overclock, the extra $20 seems worth it.
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October 14, 2009 2:30:00 PM

I'm tempted to push this build to 5ghz to see how it goes.
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October 14, 2009 2:34:12 PM

Ooh, and I never responded to your video card suggestion, The only reason I went with Sapphire is because I asked a couple of my buddies what they thought since I have always used Nvidia (EVGA go!) and had no idea, they both said Sapphire because they generally have a higher quality product or something like that.
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October 14, 2009 2:45:26 PM

Wait for the Arctic MX-3 and if what i found is accurate it would destroy the "Indigo Xtreme Thermal Interface Material".
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October 14, 2009 2:46:00 PM

Yeah, they do make good boards in general, but all manufacturers will have an occasional dud. I just like knowing that XFX will take care of things if your card ever fails.
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October 14, 2009 2:53:10 PM

It's not that they make 'better' cards than XFX but that they're like.. Gold partners or whatever to ATI so have more models..
For me I'd get the XFX no doubt (Sell it for $150+ in '11 and get a $200+ HD6870!)
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October 14, 2009 2:54:39 PM

You sure your thinking of the right card Psycho? I think you might be confusing the cards with the 4870 ;-) These are the brand new 5870s
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October 14, 2009 2:55:35 PM

Edit: ^ I'm talking about the right cards that's why i said "(Sell it for $150+ on '10 and get a $200+ HD6870!)" So $380 HD5870 to $380 HD6870 in 2010..
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^^^ I don't know but in other reviews i saw the MX-3 beat the Shin-Estu X-23! So i won't make further comment on that till i find more info..
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October 14, 2009 2:59:53 PM

I think Psycho was trying to say that if you buy the XFX 5870s now, "in" 2011 sell them and get 6870s which will probably be out by then. XFX has great resale value since the warranty still applies to whoever you sell it to.
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October 14, 2009 3:02:11 PM

I'm sorry but I've to go now and will be back tomorrow! If the thread is still active I'll post :) 
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October 14, 2009 3:03:11 PM

Oh. I feel silly now =( But thats a good idea, And my build won't be until after thanksgiving so trying to build a shopping list to see what I can get for Black Friday prices. But I will see about the XFX cards instead of sapphire, Thanks for the suggestion =)
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October 14, 2009 3:13:18 PM

^Really good, but maybe you can wait till the GTX300 serie and make a 3-SLI or 4-SLI with some one of the mobo that I list in your other thread. (IMO)
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October 14, 2009 3:18:28 PM

Can't wait for GTX300 =( Its estimated for Q1 2010, deadline is before christmas so I can put it together and stuff it under the tree, thanks for taking a look, saint.

I noticed your also a "Microsoft Certified Professional" What would that entail? :D 
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October 14, 2009 3:35:45 PM

I think it's taking classes, or reading a bunch of crap, paying money to take a proctored exam, and ta-da! you're a Certified Professional. If you're in the IT field and you have a job that will pay for you to do it, it's not a bad idea.
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October 14, 2009 3:40:01 PM

^Is a Microsoft Certification for Win XP Professional, that certify that I know how Installing, Configuring and Administering Win XP Professional, and is valid worldwide.
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October 14, 2009 7:24:29 PM

Love the Heatsink. The Prolimatech Megahalem is the best Air Cooler right now. What you need is an SSD, then it would be nice. You must have been lucky to score 2 HD 5870s, but I would say only would only need one of them. 2 is overkill right now.
I have 2 GTX 260s and it handles everything I throw at it and some. I can play every game on high settings at 1680 X 1050.

Here's my specs....
MB/CPU: Foxconn Bloodrage with i7 920 D0 overclocked to 4 Ghz (7.6 Windows 7 Rating)....
Ram: 6Gig Mushkin Redline (7.9 Windows 7 Rating).....
Primary HD: Intel X25-M SSD (7.8 Windows 7 Rating)
Other HD: 300 Gig WD Velociraptor (5.9 Windows 7 Rating)....
Video: 2 EVGA GTX 260 SLI (7.8 Windows 7 Rating)....
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October 14, 2009 11:45:36 PM

I can't fit a SSD into the build, pushes my budget over, so I am happy with the space. Maybe later on I will get a nice 80 gig SSD and reinstall windows on it.
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October 15, 2009 12:08:42 PM

Read this.
Maybe you should wait till Intel release the i9 and buy it!
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October 15, 2009 12:18:11 PM

Can't wait till the i9, cutoff date is christmas (gotta put it under the tree, ya'know) And if I wait for i9, some new thing is going to be coming out in a month and if I wait for that to come out another cool thing, and baisically you just have to bite it and say "Okay, I will just have to work with whats available at <insert date here>" or you will never get a computer built.

As for the 5870 review, I have actually read that.

And the GTX 285 is about $40 cheaper and just BARELY edges out the 5870's on only some of the games. I plan on keeping this build for a long while so I am willing to buy slightly better cards, call me a lunatic.

Should also note, some games (Like Crysis) are built to work well on nvidias, seeing that the 5870's are 1 fps below the 285's shows the strength of these cards. Take a look at the 3d mark vantage tests, edges it out by over 1000 points.
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October 15, 2009 1:11:00 PM

Well, I wasn't (by any means) trying to say that nVidia is edging ATI's H58x0 or that the HD5870 isn't good..
I was saying that you can make it with one GPU (1x HD5870) Then get the i9 (at June 2010 ~) And get another HD5870 or even a HD5870 X2..
So with the HD5870 CF being bottle-necked by the most powerful CPU on earth! I think holding on the second GPU would be a good idea.. (You can even get the i9 then and a HD5870 X2 and you have a XF setup! :o )

Edit| Also see this.. It looks like ATI has the edge now! Even in this title, so imagine what would the HD5870 do! (Why imagine? Look at its results against the GTX295 and hold on your chair! Not much impressive but consider $380 vs $400+ :o )|--

SFE!

Medo

By the way, Read my Sig.
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October 15, 2009 1:28:54 PM

Ah, Apologies. I thought you were saying that I coul get the gtx 285's in SLI and save some money. As for buying new parts, not going to be switching out parts that often, Gonna run with this for probably 12 months then think about upgrading the cpu and such, but like they say; every 18 months the technology doubles, and i've had my current computer for nearly 18 months!

If I were to go down to a single 5870, I don't know what I would fill the cash gap with.. and then if I get the 5870x2 that would be like running triple XF 5870's, which would be cool. I just might do that and get some crazy liquid cooling or something, dunno, my air cooling setup is pretty crazy (Think I am gonna change the case to this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) which is just the upgraded version of the one I had originally been told to get, only this comes with more fans, and a window! (I can show off my comp without taking the door off! Yay!) It also seems to be a little bigger, a plus, and has more powerful fans as well. I would prefer not putting in a window myself so I am OK with paying the extra $40.
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October 15, 2009 1:34:38 PM

just thought of something else you may want to try to check into.. Since you're getting a megahalem, I'm sure you're well aware that they are freaking huge. I have mine installed in a HAF 922, and the side panel is just barely able to slide on without hitting the cooler. That Xclio case you linked, has a big side case fan that might cause a clearance issue. Do you know anyone who has that or similar case to see if that side fan clearance won't cause problems?
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October 15, 2009 1:37:40 PM

I was actually going to post about that, I was thinking the same thing when I was suggested that. but I wasn't going to worry about it overly much as I read probably 5 reviews and only ONE mentioned that as a problem, So i'll probably post the question on toms hardware and xtreme systems, double my chances.
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October 15, 2009 1:39:55 PM

^^^ You put it right!
So I think..
Get 1 HD5870
Get a good liquid cooling system (consider maintenance requirements)
Get a SSD
Save the rest.. (If there's any!)
Add another $300 by June-August 2010 And get an i9..
By November 2010 get the HD6870 for the same $380!

Remember that anything more than HD5870 would be an overkill (most of the time but not always..) And that higher than 1x HD5870 = CPU bottle-neck :( 

I can't comment for (or against) the XCLIO case because i never heard of it (Don't get that as it's bad but as i don't know much about it! So wait for another comment on that)

Medo
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October 15, 2009 1:46:54 PM

Okay, you've convinced me (I was mainly getting the two 5870's to e-peen all over a friends face and his 3dmark06 score with his 4870x2) But Meh, I'll just own him in temperature.

And I know lots of companies that nobody has heard of that make things that are better than the mass-produced mcdonalds construction line kind of items and are usually cheaper too because they don't have a name to stand behind!

Well, I posted the "Clearance = good?" post on xtremesystems.org (not name that exactly..) so we'll see!
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October 15, 2009 1:56:08 PM

Well, Good for you!
You can still own him by OC'ing the card and the fact that it's a single card and a X4 XF system is possible with it while the HD4870X2 already occupied 2 slots (2 GPUs, 1 physical slot)
Oh,.. And the Eye-Finity, DX11 and Bit-Streaming! (Don't tell him about that if you don't want him mad!)
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I'll have to agree with that!.. Reading some reviews right now an will let you know..
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Tell us the results and try the cooling section here in TH as well..
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I just noticed it but if you're not getting the RIG before Christmas then the HD5870 X2 sould be out by then! (That's one good news!)

SFE!

Medo
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October 15, 2009 2:01:20 PM

Mmkay.. Now, I subtracted 1 hard drive, 1 video card, switched the Sapphire to XFX, and added a 80gb intel x25-m g2 SSD

And.. total price is... 1782.02 after MIRBS. Meaning.. I should probably stick with air cooling, but I have some more play room for a nicer case/mobo/sound card.
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October 15, 2009 2:39:59 PM

In general I'd say most people don't need a sound card, I don't even use one. Mainly because the speakers I connect my computer to suck and it would be pointless. If you have nice speakers, and want to improve your gaming, movies, MP3 experience then it's worth considering. Even then, I wouldn't spend more than $50 for one.
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October 15, 2009 2:56:30 PM

I actually use a headset, a very expensive one at that.. The Roccat Kave 5.1 Headset

I love 'em. Massive cans that completely go around my ear without annoying my piercings after hours of play.
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October 15, 2009 3:06:48 PM

then you might want to go with a card, just about all onboard sound setups get a little CPU noise that is hard to isolate from the sound.
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October 15, 2009 3:17:35 PM

only downside is that, but I don't notice it when I am playing music, so onboard should be fine for now. I am thinking down the line anyways for sound card. USB for power is noisy too ;-) Anyways. What do you think about the SSD? Good?
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October 15, 2009 3:35:57 PM

Hmm.. Rampage II Extreme, Its a nice board, just a couple little things (Stupid things, really, but hey, i'm a nut) that are turning me off about it.. For one, my current computer has 6 usb slots in the back, and I have 7 things that require USB =( So I am constantly switching them out. I was hoping for one with at least 7 so I can keep everything plugged in. Another thing is, the expansion slots, theres only 1 pci-e and one pci standard plug, but 3 pci 16x, Not sure how I feel about having only 1 slot open once I get a second card, its limiting, ya know?
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October 15, 2009 3:39:50 PM

There's currently no mobo that can help you with the expansion slots thing except for eVGA's Classifieds..
RIIE has internal USB expansion pins and include the expansion bracket..
If I'm correct the case you choose has space for the front USB bracket (USB|eSATA|USB)

Medo
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October 15, 2009 3:55:03 PM

Hmm.. Okay. I'll just stick with what I have then, Maybe a different case, time to start shopping around.
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October 15, 2009 3:58:33 PM

I've another great idea!
Get the P6T Deluxe V2 and the sound card in RIIE separately!
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October 15, 2009 4:05:31 PM

the P6T Deluxe V2 was my original mobo I wanted to get, People talked me out of that saying "it isn't really that great of a mobo, it has lots of problems" so, I went and got the evga one.
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October 15, 2009 4:17:57 PM

I don't know what do you mean (or people) bad with the P6T Deluxe V2!
So the point is get whatever mobo you want and get the Creative X-Fi separately with it..
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October 15, 2009 4:20:42 PM

They said that the bios is hard to understand (not very clear) on the P6T, The architecture (sp?) is sometimes faulty, and thats a big sometimes, they said to either go with some $400 foxconn or the evga
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October 15, 2009 4:32:27 PM

For me I prefer 1. Asus 2. GigaByte 3. eVGA 4. MSI (and so on...)
The Asus BIOS is very good and clear (I only dealt with P45 Asus BIOSes) But it's just that it contains too much options!
For OC'ing you can always use the TurboV

Medo
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October 15, 2009 4:39:46 PM

The EVGA board I selected is getting good reviews and even comes with software where I can OC it as slowly or quickly as I want without going into bios, that will be nice when I want to push the computer.
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October 15, 2009 4:45:01 PM

^+1 EVGA in some cases make really good mobo that can defeat to ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, and others...
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October 15, 2009 5:01:33 PM

I still prefer Asus myself.. Personal preference though.. eVGA is still on my list...
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October 16, 2009 3:30:42 AM

So, Until new hardware comes out, I guess the build is done..? All I should look at are cases and/or sound card?
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October 16, 2009 1:07:41 PM

^Yes is Ok for now, and the case is good too. The most of the people don't need a sound card 'cause with the mobo sound is enough, at least that you need a great audio quality.
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