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Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:08:40 AM

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With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of programming
(or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had Directv
for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through TiVo
to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able to
record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone tell
me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth
it.

Thanks for any thoughts,
Ellen

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July 20, 2005 7:08:41 AM

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:08:40 GMT, Ellen Hall wrote:

>With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of programming
>(or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had Directv
>for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through TiVo
>to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able to
>record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
>used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone tell
>me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
>antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth
>it.
>
>Thanks for any thoughts,
>Ellen
>

The vcr is going to record at the quality you set it at (sp, lp,
slp) no matter where the signal is coming from. The vcr has no
idea, and it doesn't care, what other equipment the tv signal is
traveling through.
Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:08:41 AM

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Ellen Hall wrote:
> With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of programming
> (or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had Directv
> for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through TiVo
> to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able to
> record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
> used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone tell
> me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
> antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth
> it.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
> Ellen
>
>

Impossible, in less I'm missing something. VCR's will tape at whatever
speed they're set at, regardless of the signal source. Either you used
the wrong tape, or you used a higher quality setting than you thought
you did.
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Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:08:41 AM

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In article <YejDe.6233$oZ.273@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Ellen
Hall <ellen_hall_@hotmailnospam.com> wrote:

> With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of programming
> (or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had Directv
> for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through TiVo
> to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able to
> record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
> used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone tell
> me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
> antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth
> it.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
> Ellen

Tape time is a function of time, not picture density or whatever you
might call it. A T-160 VHS cassette will tape eight hours of anything
from any source at SLP. You must have used a T-120, or a T-160 that
already had stuff on it and was cued to the end. The cassette should
have a faint stamp somewhere on it to tell you which kind it is.
Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:32:45 AM

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<Jason> wrote in message news:ckgrd11hmtjkpqvcs5uir7rdqueoc6pfe8@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:08:40 GMT, Ellen Hall wrote:
>
> >With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of
programming
> >(or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had
Directv
> >for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through
TiVo
> >to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able
to
> >record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
> >used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone
tell
> >me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
> >antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth
> >it.
> >
> >Thanks for any thoughts,
> >Ellen
> >
>
> The vcr is going to record at the quality you set it at (sp, lp,
> slp) no matter where the signal is coming from. The vcr has no
> idea, and it doesn't care, what other equipment the tv signal is
> traveling through.

Thank you. I was wondering if "digital" made a difference.
Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:32:46 AM

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>>The vcr is going to record at the quality you set it at (sp, lp,
>>slp) no matter where the signal is coming from. The vcr has no
>>idea, and it doesn't care, what other equipment the tv signal is
>>traveling through.
>
>
> Thank you. I was wondering if "digital" made a difference.

It would, but you're recording in analog, not digital. Also, you're
using an analog source, despite the fact that the ultimate source video
is digital. The outputs that you have connected to your VCR have
already converted the digital signal to analog.

Randy S.
Anonymous
July 20, 2005 7:45:36 AM

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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:D bkh0c$a30$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
> Ellen Hall wrote:
> > With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of
programming
> > (or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting. I've had
Directv
> > for a couple of months and have just started to tape directly through
TiVo
> > to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour tape and was only able
to
> > record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting. I'm hoping that I actually
> > used a 6 hour tape, but until I can experiment further --- can anyone
tell
> > me if the satellite transmitted movie takes up more tape space than the
> > antenna? I'm willing to be embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be
worth
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
> > Ellen
> >
> >
>
> Impossible, in less I'm missing something. VCR's will tape at whatever
> speed they're set at, regardless of the signal source. Either you used
> the wrong tape, or you used a higher quality setting than you thought
> you did.

Thanks, Randy, for both posts. That's what I was hoping.
July 20, 2005 8:03:40 AM

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"Ellen Hall" <ellen_hall_@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in
news:YejDe.6233$oZ.273@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of
> programming (or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting.
> I've had Directv for a couple of months and have just started to tape
> directly through TiVo to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour
> tape and was only able to record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting.
> I'm hoping that I actually used a 6 hour tape, but until I can
> experiment further --- can anyone tell me if the satellite transmitted
> movie takes up more tape space than the antenna? I'm willing to be
> embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth it.

When talking about 'space' on a DVR, you're talking about data on a hard
drive. That data can take more of less space depending on quality (which,
just to throw a little confusion into the mix, is not an issue with
DirecTiVos, as there's only the one quality setting).

When talking about space on a VHS tape, you're talking about a certain
physical distance of media. The reels spin (in the case of a VCR with SP,
LP, and SLP, at different rates depending on setting, but each rate moves a
certain amount of media per minute), the media moves, the head
reads/writes. That's it. No matter the source, a two hour movie (or any
other recording) will take no more or less physical media than two hours'
worth. 6 hour tapes being far more common than 8 hour, I'm guessing you
used a 6 hour.

And before someone chimes in with a correction on "the tape moves at a set
speed", yes...I am aware that speed is different between NTSC/PAL.

--
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I speak for no one but myself, and |Caffeine will be assimilated.
no one else speaks for me. O- | Decaf is futile.
Anonymous
July 21, 2005 3:09:32 AM

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"Howard" <stile99@email..com> wrote in message
news:Xns9698EAA5BC119stile@129.250.170.81...
> "Ellen Hall" <ellen_hall_@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in
> news:YejDe.6233$oZ.273@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
> > With antenna/broadcast channels I could tape 6 decent hours of
> > programming (or the maximum time on a VHS tape) using the SLP setting.
> > I've had Directv for a couple of months and have just started to tape
> > directly through TiVo to the VCR. I used what I thought was an 8 hour
> > tape and was only able to record 6 hours at the maximum (SLP) setting.
> > I'm hoping that I actually used a 6 hour tape, but until I can
> > experiment further --- can anyone tell me if the satellite transmitted
> > movie takes up more tape space than the antenna? I'm willing to be
> > embarrassed. TiVo is so cool, it'll be worth it.
>
> When talking about 'space' on a DVR, you're talking about data on a hard
> drive. That data can take more of less space depending on quality (which,
> just to throw a little confusion into the mix, is not an issue with
> DirecTiVos, as there's only the one quality setting).
>
> When talking about space on a VHS tape, you're talking about a certain
> physical distance of media. The reels spin (in the case of a VCR with SP,
> LP, and SLP, at different rates depending on setting, but each rate moves
a
> certain amount of media per minute), the media moves, the head
> reads/writes. That's it. No matter the source, a two hour movie (or any
> other recording) will take no more or less physical media than two hours'
> worth. 6 hour tapes being far more common than 8 hour, I'm guessing you
> used a 6 hour.
>
> And before someone chimes in with a correction on "the tape moves at a set
> speed", yes...I am aware that speed is different between NTSC/PAL.
>
> --
> Minister of All Things Digital & Electronic, and Holder of Past Knowledge
> stile99@email.com. Cabal# 24601-fnord | Sleep is irrelevant.
> I speak for no one but myself, and |Caffeine will be assimilated.
> no one else speaks for me. O- | Decaf is futile.

Thank you, everyone, for your answers. I didn't easily see the faint mark
indicating whether it was a T-120 or a T-160, but will certainly look more
closely. I'm glad you were all in agreement!
Ellen
Anonymous
July 21, 2005 3:09:33 AM

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> Thank you, everyone, for your answers. I didn't easily see the faint mark
> indicating whether it was a T-120 or a T-160, but will certainly look more
> closely. I'm glad you were all in agreement!
> Ellen

Yes, we operate like NASA Space Shuttle computers here; take 3
responses, throw out the outlier, then average the other 2. ;-)

Randy S.
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