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October 15, 2009 4:57:36 PM

Also as a side note to the reply below it has been several years since I have actually bought seperate components and built a PC which is why I am seeking help here on the forums. Last time I did this was back in the P2 450mhz days. Since then I was also given a PC or came into one that was better then the one I had and was suitable for my requirements.

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Before the end of 2009

BUDGET RANGE: Between 600-800 After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Watching movies, gaming, surfing the Internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers, 22" widescreen monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com (Unless anyone can recommend another great site to order parts

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United States

PARTS PREFERENCES: Would like to use an Intel processor, preferably quad core and 64-bit. (Unless AMD fan boys can assure me no compatibility issues. Also 32-bit is acceptable as an option). Also would like to run an NVIDIA based video card.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I do not recall the specific resolution that my monitor will support, but I know I would at least like to be able to achieve 1600x1200 if possible.

ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS: I am also considering using this particular NIC (http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-nic-m1-comparison...);

Also is the NVIDIA® PhysX technology worth it???

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This system is being build for several reasons. The first and foremost is to play games like World of Warcraft (all expansions), Starcraft II, and Diablo III; however the catch is that I want to be able to play those games smoothly with all the settings (graphics, sound, physics) turned up to their max. I also plan to use this PC to run dynamips if possible thus the reason I was looking for multiple cores. Other then that I am sure I will be doing the typical surfing the Internet, downloading of files/content, etc. If you have any more questions...please let me know.
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October 15, 2009 5:04:04 PM

I also forgot to mention that I will mostly likely either be running Windows XP (hence 32-bit), Windows 7 or Ubuntu as my primary Operating System.
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October 15, 2009 5:55:15 PM

I suggest you get the AMD athlon II X4 cheapest edition + a HD4770 or possibly a HD5750. Get 4 gb of RAM, also get the cheapest mobo you can find. Plug in a nice HDD (500 gb or so). Get a decent antec case with psu (430 earthswatt). You should be somewhere below your limit.
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October 15, 2009 6:13:25 PM

Here is what I was able to piece together thus far based on this reply:

XFX HD-575X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
(Even though not specifically stated I am doing to assume this is OpenGL 3.0, please confirm or deny)
Item #: N82E16814150448

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model CMD4GX2M2A1066C5 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820145256

Antec earthwatts EA430 430W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371006

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129066

BIOSTAR TA790GXE 128M AM2+/AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813138146

AMD Athlon II X4 620 Propus 2.6GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor Model ADX620WFGIBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103706
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October 15, 2009 6:21:19 PM

yeah OK dont forget to put in a HDD. Dont get Biostar though. Get asrock, asus, foxxcon, msi, gigabyte. (mobo)

So how much will this cost you?
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October 15, 2009 6:22:13 PM

Antec sells nice cases - some of them have earthwatts PSUs bundled with them. They are usually a good deal.
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October 15, 2009 6:35:08 PM

Yes I was leary of Biostar as well. Had not decided on a HDD option yet. Was still debating on what to run HDD wise. I take it that Asus and Gigabyte are still top tier mobo manufacturers? I am trying to remember if I have had good experience with MSI or not.

Thus far the rig is price at just over $500.00 through newegg.com
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October 15, 2009 6:55:11 PM

This build will last you a year longer then the athlon II one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It is however, $650.

Dont listen to fan boys who will bitch and moan about the PSU, memory or mobo not being adequate. This nets you i5 + hd5750 for the smallest price without resorting to indecent brands.
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October 15, 2009 7:01:29 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 54.99
Sunbeam Silent Storm Mid-Tower Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 59.99
Corsair 550w SLI/Crossfire ready Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 114.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 119.99
Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz 3MB L2 Cache

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 72.99
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 28.99
LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW SATA CD/DVD Burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 74.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 28.99
Thermaltake CL-P0370 92mm Enter CPU Cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 174.99
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100269VXLE Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card


GRAND TOTAL (with rebates) = $730.91 the remaining $70.00 could be used for shipping

I don't care what anyone says, this will handle World of Warcraft and many other games for a couple years. Granted that LGA 775 is a dead socket, but you can still throw in a Core 2 Quad in the future and Crossfire if need be.
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October 15, 2009 8:01:03 PM

Some of the advised here seems a little short sighted and incomplete.

First, you've listed you want multi card GPU options, but no one has offered up a PSU that can accomidate that. Even the 5750 requires 600w to CF. The 550w corsair could probably get the job done, but still taking a chance.

Suggesting a DDR2 system for a new build is an extremely bad idea for your budget as it leaves upgrade options in 2-3 years virtually non existant, much like a socket 775 platform. Yes, you could add a quad in a few years, but that's like telling someone to buy new a Pentium D right now. Doesn't make sense.

Also, everyone has overlooked the expense of the OS. If you are going to go linux, great, but then ATI doesn't offer up drivers for linux, so everyone above needs to either offer a Nvidia GPU or ATI/Windows OS. The build below does windows/ATI which eliminates linux as a gaming platform. If you did go with Linux as the only OS, then the build will look completely different as the i5/Nvidia could be worked in there instead.

I've worked in the 5770 over the 5750, a PSU capable of CF, and higher end quad core (as AMD goes.) The only thing I would have liked to be able to add would have been an aftermarket cooler and upgrade to the 955 for easier upgrade, but that would add close to another $50.

For $801 delivered (midwest)

$215 5770 and Earthwatts 650w combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
EA650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$250 amir AMD 945/ Asus 790x http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 amir 4gig DDR3 1333mhz Cas 7 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$60 Antec 300 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$31 DVD Burner Sata http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This probably can be found cheaper in the eggblaster w/free shipping or at zipzoomfly.com

$155 500gb HDD and Win Vista Home Premium w/free Win 7 upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Final thought, if you're not building for a month or two, there will be a lot of holiday sales that can change the field and still get the i5 in there. If its a while before you buy, I'd make a new thread then and get a current snapshot of the retail market.
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October 15, 2009 9:24:57 PM

Thank you everyone for the replies. I also would like to thank you for providing links to a CD/DVD drive as I had not given that any thoughts at all. In terms of a multi GPU option I stated that as a maybe because its a would be nice and cool feature, but a) not even sure if I would take full advantage of it b) its not a core requirement such as some of the features I requested.

In terms of an OS I did state that I would like the possiblity of using Ubuntu Linux if there is the proper driver support out there in the market. I currently have a legal copy of Windows XP and could/would consider reusing it as again 32-bit would probably support my daily computer activities. I am not sure if there is a real necessity for a 64-bit processor nor am I even aware of all the 64-bit supported applications on the market. I do plan to steer clear of Windows Vista if at all possible, however Windows 7 does intrigue me, but not sure if its worth all the fuse. Was going to wait until it was out for a few months first.
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October 16, 2009 5:37:24 PM

skora said:
Some of the advised here seems a little short sighted and incomplete.

First, you've listed you want multi card GPU options, but no one has offered up a PSU that can accomidate that. Even the 5750 requires 600w to CF. The 550w corsair could probably get the job done, but still taking a chance.

Suggesting a DDR2 system for a new build is an extremely bad idea for your budget as it leaves upgrade options in 2-3 years virtually non existant, much like a socket 775 platform. Yes, you could add a quad in a few years, but that's like telling someone to buy new a Pentium D right now. Doesn't make sense.

Also, everyone has overlooked the expense of the OS. If you are going to go linux, great, but then ATI doesn't offer up drivers for linux, so everyone above needs to either offer a Nvidia GPU or ATI/Windows OS. The build below does windows/ATI which eliminates linux as a gaming platform. If you did go with Linux as the only OS, then the build will look completely different as the i5/Nvidia could be worked in there instead.

I've worked in the 5770 over the 5750, a PSU capable of CF, and higher end quad core (as AMD goes.) The only thing I would have liked to be able to add would have been an aftermarket cooler and upgrade to the 955 for easier upgrade, but that would add close to another $50.

For $801 delivered (midwest)

$215 5770 and Earthwatts 650w combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
EA650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$250 amir AMD 945/ Asus 790x http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 amir 4gig DDR3 1333mhz Cas 7 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$60 Antec 300 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$31 DVD Burner Sata http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This probably can be found cheaper in the eggblaster w/free shipping or at zipzoomfly.com

$155 500gb HDD and Win Vista Home Premium w/free Win 7 upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Final thought, if you're not building for a month or two, there will be a lot of holiday sales that can change the field and still get the i5 in there. If its a while before you buy, I'd make a new thread then and get a current snapshot of the retail market.



I sincerely appreciate your help on the forums and like the build that you put together best. The only caveat I wonder about is NVIDIA vs ATI (only because of problems I have experienced in the past)
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October 16, 2009 8:48:08 PM

Okay, lets try it this way then, leaving all your options open, this will be a Nvidia/SLI setup with a PSU that can handle it. If you don't want those options, other parts can be placed in instead and lower the cost like a single x16 mobo and 500w+ PSU. Then upgrade something somewhere else easy enough, or just save the money.

As far as the OS goes, since you have XP, use that until you decide if you want to do Win7. I'm considering that outside the scope of this budget, so you'll have to find to money later, or as above, cut back on some parts to make room for it.

All CPUs ar 64bit now. Its just the software that's not taking advantage of it.

$200 i5 750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$300 amir P55 gigabyte SLI/CF board and gigabyte GTX 260 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 amir Ram as above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$55 500gb spinpoint F3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$31 DVD Burner Sata http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$135 amir Antec 300 case and Antec 750w truepower PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$11 Shipping

Total amir $807

The only other thing I'd like to add would be this HSF: $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This gives you the Linux option, SLI option, and makes budget (close.) ATI can be used for linux, but not as well as nvidia from what I've read. If you don't want the super GPU options, then the ud3r mobo can be plugged in to save $30 and a lower cost PSU, like the corsair 550w (saves $15) or an OCZ 500w+ (saves $35+)
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October 17, 2009 12:47:41 AM

woops posted a build thinking it said 5770 while it said 4770, nvm.
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