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October 15, 2009 10:39:36 PM

Hey guys, I'm about to be buying my PC, and i was wondering if you guys would give me your feedback on the system i'm getting. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
Thanks.

MOBO
MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU COOLING
Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU
Thermaltake W0116RU 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU
XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Please let me know, I'm still trying to figure out if the RAM is good. and if PSU will be sufficient.
Thanks again.
October 15, 2009 11:46:24 PM

That should be one sweet system.

The PSU is large enough for your current setup - although like may others I would recommend Corsair PSUs. Do you want to leave room to Crossfire and/or OC the CPU and/or video card? If so I would go larger - perhaps to 1000w. In their review comparing Crossfire 4870s and SLI 285s, and using your CPU among others, THG used an 1100 watt PSU. Off course your video card has a smaller power requirement - but I don't think they OC - but still probably left headroom.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403...

Have you run it through the power calculator? It would probably be worthwile to pay the nominal fee to use the Pro version that provides the ratings for each volt level. Unfortunately my subscription has run out and I have not need to extend.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

Is there a reason you selected the Sunbeam cooler over more common choices like the Xigamatek Dark Night?

I prefer the Gigabyte boards for the UD features - but MSI is good too . Did you see this article?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/790fx-socket-am3,22...

I won't comment on RAM because I don't have a lot of experience with different varieties.
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October 16, 2009 12:15:29 AM

Do you need an FX mb? Only spend the extra if you will definitely crossfire , otherwise you can save some money with a 790 g or 790x

The Phenom 965 is the exact same part as the 955 , but it is overclocked a little by AMD . You can do this yourself and save money. Both OC to the same level .

The RAM you picked has only OK timings . Its 9-9-9-24 . Lower is better and if you read the memory articles on this site you can see that 1333Mhz with 7-7-7-20 is just as quick .
Your RAM is really 1333 MHz but they are running it at 1600 MHz but slackened the timings so its stable . There is definitely better ram available .

You havent mentioned a hard drive . The fastest mainstream drive is the samsung f3 500 gig .

You have a great build already but a little tweaking will save you some $$$$
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October 16, 2009 12:27:42 AM

I really don't think i'll go crossfire, so 1000+ watt PSU is overkill i think, What PSU would u recommend?

As for HDD i'm planing on getting
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's a part of a deal with CM 690 and saves me 60$.

Which MOBO would you recommend? for my set up?

And from what I've heard before is that Dark Knight not compatible with AM3 sockets. And I've asked on forums here, and people recommended that CPU cooler. Is that not so?
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October 16, 2009 12:33:02 AM

Definitely drop down to the 955, it will save you $55 and has an unlocked multiplier so you can set it 1 high and have a 965 for free.

The 790GX board still gives you the option of crossfire down the line while saving you a fair amount
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$9 more gets you ram with tighter timings, though that gskills kit you currently have listed has an XMP profile for 8-8-8-24 at 1.6v, i will probably play with mine tomorrow night and see if i cant get the ripjaws timings out of them at similar voltages.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you are pretty sure you arent going to crossfire a corsair 550vx would be fine
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 16, 2009 12:53:17 AM

For a rig like this that you wont add a second gfx card then a 650 watt psu gives you plenty of overhead . That will let the psu run without being stressed or getting hot .
The corsair 650 tx has been very popular because its a good combination of price and quality
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$80 after rebate

The mb in your combo is an AM2+ mb that runs DDR2. For future proofing stick with an AM3 mb and DDR3

The WD black is a good drive , and I use one in my home computer . But the newer Samsung F3 is faster, and quieter so if you dont need the extra storage its a better buy .
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October 16, 2009 2:31:35 AM

Ok, guys look at this and let me know what you think.


MOBO
GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU FAN
Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU
HD 5870
Trying to get XFX

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD comes with the case and saves me like 60$.

CASE
COOLER MASTER RC-690
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD
LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Reader
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Let me know what you guys think.
Thx.
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October 16, 2009 2:48:02 AM

Pretty good, but i would still suggest the 790GX or 790X rather than the 790FX, unless you need quadfire or intend to get a 5870X2 to run in trifire you wont get a performance hit from 8x/8x crossfire.
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October 16, 2009 2:51:39 AM

Whoops, didn't notice Outlander already pointed this out. Sorry
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October 16, 2009 3:15:46 AM

O i like that one, and newegg has a combo of that with 955BE :p 
That helps a lot.
Thx
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October 16, 2009 3:24:56 AM

I really think you should leave open the option to crossfire if you later want to double up the video performance as games require more or if you want a bigger monitor. With that system and the larger PSU you could subtantially increase power by just adding another video card later. Why spend more for a crossfire capable mobo but not get a larger PSU to accomodate it? The 750w version of that PSU only costs $20 more and that extra 100w could make a big difference if you become interested in crossfire
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October 16, 2009 3:47:02 AM

Ok, say I decide to go Crossfire, What PSU would you recomend? (link to newegg if not too much trouble)
and what MOBO would you recommend? I assume it would have to be a Mobo with 16x 16x PCI, so like

MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
would be good for it?
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October 16, 2009 3:54:16 AM

No, the 790X supports 8x/8x crossfire which wont inflict any noteable performance penalty vs 16x/16x crossfire. Normally we suggest a 750 watt PSU like the corsair 750TX or the antec TP-750
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October 16, 2009 4:18:54 AM

I think you've got it - except that your PSU link above is not the PSU but the same link as the mobo and I am not sure about the RAM.

Here is the Corsair 750TX PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ON the RAM, jvwash last listed this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Which is a different speed than what hunter listed:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And both state right at the top "Dual Channel Intel Core i5 & Core i7 CPU for P55 motherboard"
On the spec page, one states "Specifically Designed to compatible with Intel Core i5 and Core i7 for Intel P55 motherboard"
Which is the right one? Are you sure they are compatible with the ASUS 790X board and good for OC on that board?
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October 16, 2009 4:19:05 AM

Sounds great.
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October 16, 2009 4:43:50 AM

yeah, sorry the PSU is the Corsair 750TX.

About RAM, i'm still not sure, Which would be the better one, and how would i find out if it's compatable with ASUS 790X and good for OC?
That's the biggest problem i'm having right now, Which RAM would be the best.
Any help?
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October 16, 2009 5:02:36 AM

By the way, out of curiosity I looked up the 5870 cards on newgg. They have 6 cards listed, including the XFX you chose, but they are out of stock of all of them except one - HIS.

I also found this review/comparison of 3 of the cards, including HIS and XFX. The bottom line is that they all basically have the same performance (no surprise) so its the standard advice to select on features and price. The latter is not much help as newegg lists them all at between $380 and $390. Based on the diffent features for the three tested - I would have chosen the XFX as well.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=853
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October 16, 2009 5:11:30 AM

Yes, I will probably wait till XFX will come in stock, which they say should be this coming Monday, so i'll be getting it then if i get it.

XFX mainly because of the Double Lifetime warranty, which i really like.

But the main problem right now is, which RAM would be the best, I'm trying to go just under 100$, from what i've heard, the 7-7-7-20ish, is best. So i'm wondering which would be the best.

Jvwash.
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October 16, 2009 8:47:47 PM

if you open to it the i5 outperforms the 955/965
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October 16, 2009 9:26:53 PM

obsidian86 said:
if you open to it the i5 outperforms the 955/965

I wondered about that myself when this thread first started, but than I read this THG review which seems to show otherwise - they are about equal.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403...

And since OP is going with an even faster AMD video card than used in the review, I figured that gives the edge to them. Also, as far as flexibility and ugradability goes, I am much more impressed with AMD sticking with compatible CPU slots than Intel with all their changes.

That said, if I were building a new system today I would probably go with i7 - either the i7 870 (to keep the hyperthreading) or maybe even the higher priced i7-920 to stay with the top end system. Hoever I am hard pressed to recommend those to others over the i5 given its outstanding performance and low price.

But the 955/965 is a very good and choice also, equal to the i5, and I cannot see trying to get someone to change away from it given the review.
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October 16, 2009 9:30:51 PM

well considering the i5 is at 2.66 ghz and is equal too the amd 955/965 at 3.2 ghz and 3.4 ghz
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October 16, 2009 10:10:42 PM

obsidian86 said:
well considering the i5 is at 2.66 ghz and is equal too the amd 955/965 at 3.2 ghz and 3.4 ghz


What is your point? I really have no idea since the speed of the CPU by itself tells little.
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October 17, 2009 2:02:34 AM

I was thinking about i5, or even the i7 920, but budget is somewhat tight, and I'm really "scared" to what Intel is doing with their sockets. going to i7, and then releasing i5 with a different socket, just a bit crazy.
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