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its dam good direct x 11 will rule, go ati wooooooot

Pretty nice improvements in 3D rendering. Really makes the older DX9 and 10's 3D walls look child-like in comparison ;P (thinking back to the pasted-on 2D textures using parallax occlusion...how did I ever think that looked good??)

So it would seem that DX11 with tessellation enabled will perform worse than DX10...but DX11 without tessellation enabled will perform better than DX10. So since DX10 isn't even capable of utilizing tessellation at all...it's pretty safe to say DX11 will completely push 9 and 10 out the window when a few of these new games release. There go my worries that DX11 is just another DX10 failure Can't wait.

That's just amazing. I've been waiting for that for a long time .

Name 5 games that were patched within 8 months of DX10 release? No?
Look, theres too many DX10 games that can be patched easily, and too many coming thatll ve DX11 for that statement to hold any water

still dx11 looks way better than dx 10, than did dx 10 looked better than dx9 did
in fact i didnt even play 1 game in dx 10 at all, cause i saw s**t little diff and i play games all day. but i will play dx 11 games asap

So its 6 games within 8 months, or 3 within half a year after Vista was launched.

Lets get it straight, there were two DX11 games BEFORE DX11 was even launched, and will be dozen or more within half a year, while DX10 had FIRST game 5 months AFTER Dx10 was released... And still "DX10 launch was far, far more impressive"?

Tesselation is basically what solid 3d rendering was compared to old style vector graphics back in the 80's. So there is a performance hit - that doesn't matter when games are already running at 130fps.

Anyone who believes tesselation won't be standard is deluded. Nvidia might not have the capability but they know that they need to have it for their future. Any nvidia fan who isn't impressed needs to take a step back and look again.

Alot of devs are saying DX11 adoption will go much faster due to its ease and 2 OS to run it.
Also, having working DX11 drivers that work is nice too, something nVidia failed to do with DX10, and of course DX10.1, ooops, no, that was their HW, they didnt have any

January would make it 12 months, March would be 14 months !!
DX10 Launched with Vista on January 30, 2007 dude !!

I still can't figure out if you intentionally lie, or are just that ignorant of the facts.

Perhaps, you're confusing the launch of the R600 with the launch of DX10, which once again I'd forgive someone else, but there's an obvious motivation behind your 'errors'.

Yeah I get that suspicion, especially with his focus on a specific release date in 'error'.

Pretty cool. The DX11 looks nice, though I've seen DX9 that looks better than that DX10. They probably weakened the DX10 for even more effect, but DX11 looks great regardless.

And falling fast, even Vlave noted this as a result of their last survey.

What DX10-only games (we're talking about from a gaming house, not tiny producers, which was your issue then as well), because in fact you said there wouldn't be any, there have already been VISTA-only, but they weren't DX10 only.

Not putting words in your mouth, actually emember what you said, which you apparently don't. You do realize we can post to them

NO that was not your original statement, just your revised one afterwards which is also wrong, you originally said it wouldn't run on down hardware to which I replied with the link (and nice picture for you) to M$' own statements a few short weeks earlier that SPECIFICALLY addressed that issue. As for your fight with JDJ that happened during my summer hiatus when I wasn't here to counter your BS!. In fact D3D 11 release WILL have features that are specific additions to DX19 and even DX9 hardware, that too was already extensively explained by M$, the biggest feature to go throughout the line will be greater multi-thread support. Even your statement above is just wrong since DX11 will run on the 4000 series, you will just not get anything that requires DX11 hardware, but it will still run DX11 as it is a complete superset.

Games have already been patched after the fact , so the jury's verdict is already in.
http://forums.battleforge.com/foru [...] hp?t=24137

Plus LOTR and D&D.

As it related to the model, we already know adoption is far ahead of DX10 with games before the official launch, and multiple games available at launch (DX10 only had a few demos, many of the G80 ones were believed to be DX10 but were OGL wrappers).

Actually it's not that simple, you also criticized ATi for having a non-DX11 tessellator in the previous generations, which is funny since it looks like nV will have no DX11 tessellator, and doing it in general shaders will be even slower.

Dude, then don't hit 'reply' until you checked. If this would reduce your errors that would be worth it. You post that stuff and then people think you know what you're talking about and even if you were 2/3 instead of really 1/4, that would still mean you're still putting out too many errors for these discussions, which become references for people.

Seriously dude, you're on an anti-DX11 campaign, at least make the effort to research your points, especially if they're right there on something as easy as Wiki which is far from even being a 'good' source.

Not quite. Almost, but not quite, due in part to M$ own driver model. Essentially, M$ has dictated, since Vista, that you either support the entire API, or you don't get certified drivers (I also suspect NVIDIA used this to force M$ to drop tesselation from DX10, as no certified NVIDIA drivers would have hurt M$ big time; just my gut feeling though...).

What M$ is allowing in this case is the expansion of the previous 2 API's to encompass some of the software enhancements of DX11. As far as down hardware such as the 4000 series, DX11 would equate to DX10.2 in my book. Now, maybe we're arguing semantics, but I don't view tacking on software functionallity as "running" DX11.

Was referring to JayDees belief that every dev will take the time to update its games because its easy. If we have 5 games patched, I'll be shocked.

MMO's have such long lifespans and support, you can't use them in this case. Of course MMO's get patched to new standards, even I won't argue against that.

Oh, you forgot EVE

Call me in 12 months and we'll look at the results. XP is still around and doing well, theres still a shortage of DX11 hardware (especially compared to DX10), so DX10 will still be quite popular due to its user base compared to 11. Throw in the "DX11 enhancements" (see point 1) on down hardware, and I see fewer devs going the DX11 route then the rest of you do. I'd guess 12-14 games with DX11 support.

And did I ever say anything about NVIDIA in this circumstance? First off, making any assumptions about G300 is foolish at this point. Secondly, I never said that a shader approach would be better, and third, I never criticised ATI for not have a DX11 capable tesselator on its DX10 cards, I mearly pointed out to others that it would not be capable of running DX11 tesselation, especially when SOME PEOPLE WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS started to claim the 4000 series could handle DX11 tesselation, and recommend others buy those cards based on that faulty reasoning...

I'm not anti DX11, I just don't see it taking off nearly as fast as the rest of you do, and frankly, I think some people are continuing to overvalue some features, especially the new multithreaded engine.

Well this sucks, the thread has degrated into a flame war and 2 of the offenders are moderators...

Either way I think gamer has a point in that it will still be awhile before we see full tessellation and full blown directX 11 in games, but I can't wait to get my hands on it. Still, DirectX 11 will be a far greater success than DirectX 10, but it will still take awhile to really impact the market.

No I mostly agree with you, but the "discussion" has gotten rather "heated" if you catch my meaning. Either way I just kind of wish there was more of a discussion about the possibilities shown by the video, the thread's original purpose.

I do think that the DX 10 in the demo is kind of poorly done to begin with, DX 11 doesn't add dimensions to textures, that could be done with DX 10. That said the textures really do look much better and they show off what you can do with DX 11 without killing performance. A lot of people keep pointing to the performance hit with tessellation, but they fail to consider the performance hit if the developers designed something half that complex with "traditional" methods, it would be a slide show.

Well, I pointed out a few things, and this does need to be done.

If you think about the DX10 level, adding more to it would have a higher impact as well, and those DX10 numbers would be lower as well.
Im sure they did this to show how much you can do with whats already there, and some of the DX11 was overkill, tho that too can easily be tuned down, which again, would ease usage somewhat, but again, wouldnt be as a dramatic difference tho

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