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October 17, 2009 11:19:15 AM

Hi, I'm new, I came accross this place, i'm not sure how, but AM GLAD I'm here. I read through the parts list and have included a list towards the end, that I think is a nice set, although I'm not sure, any suggestions would be really helpful. Right now I'm a noob to building a pc, SO i'm quite afraid. I saw a vid that was suggested from the forum, and I got even more scurred at the whole shocking the pc thing. I can't afford to destroy something especially right now. So I'm thinking of going with ibuypower.com or cyberpower.com Although If i can get a cheaper price than what they offer I could consider building my own. In any case any help with layed out info would still be needed even to make a buy and to figure out a little more of this undertaking.

the haf system
the cosmos system

they dont seem to offer some of the things that got me excited like the seasonic x750 however. so yah any help :(  i've spent like 4 weeks going back and forth between dell and these guys, and not sure what to do right now.


PURCHASE DATE: As soon as possible
Budget: 1300-1600 1500 being a nice compromise.  no rebates required as long as I can get a nice/r build.
Usage: 1. Games(mmorpgs mostly/work-design(Adobe) 2. HD creation(Vids)/movie watching. 3. surfing/desktop publishing
Parts Not Required: Monitor/Speakers/keyboard/mouse
Preff. Sites: newegg.com(btw im in PA)
Part Preff: want to use a 23” LCD prob from dell, cuz of price, and intel type mobo + Full tower case (cosmos S or haf)
Overclk.: Maybe.-small increase if any. Sli or cross. Not necessary
Monitor Res: 1080p +
Add. Comm.: Quietness, efficiency, stability, decent to good quality are + I also wouldn’t mind some light/show  but not needed.

CPU- i7 920
  • MOBO- x58 ASUS P6T / ASUS P6TD Deluxe
  • MEM- G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR31600CAS8 mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
  • PSU- Seasonic X750 or Corsair 750TX
  • CHASSIS- Cooler Master HAF or Cooler Master Cosmos
  • CPU Cooler- CM V8
  • Therm. Pas.- TX-2 / MX-2 / Arctic Silver 5
  • Vid Card.- Sapphire 4870 1Gb or EVGA GTX 260 core 216 overclocked / Radeon 5870????
  • HD- WD 640GB Black
  • Opt. Drive- Samsung DVD burner
  • Monitor- LG W2353V-PF Black 23"
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    October 17, 2009 1:42:57 PM

    I'm not going to tell you to build your own system cuz its better. Truth is, to some people, the extra expense is worth it for the peace of mind. But, you don't get as much computer or have as much control over parts selection. Downside, this website is your tech support.

    The actual build process isn't any more difficult than hanging a self on a wall. If you are patient and take a few simple precautions, you can assemble a computer.

    For what I see on your usage, I'd go with an i7 860 on a P55 before the i7 920 on the X58 mobo. Reason is, you don't need the extra GPU options that the X58 offers and a solid quad core should be all the CPU you need. If you want the option to upgrade later to a 6 or 8 core CPU, then yes, the X58 is the way to go, but doubt you'd be using that kind of horsepower.

    DIY build $1235 delivered (midwest) - $25 mir if wanted
    $275 5850 GPU (big upgrade from the pre-built systems)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $315 i7 860 and mugen-2 HSF http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    HSF http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $5 TIM TX-2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $185 Gigabyte P55 ud2 mobo and GSkill CAS 7 4gb 1600 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $165 (-$25mir if wanted) HAF case and OCZ StealthXstream 700w PSU (quiet and efficient) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $155 500 GB HDD and win vista w/free WIN 7 upgrade http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    $100 BluRay DVD/burner (upgrade) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    So for the low end of the budget, you get a better computer with some nice perks. If you want to come in under budget, heres some places you can save:
    Drop the blu-ray to just a DVD burner, save $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Buy the PSU by itself and use promo code cz10, save $8
    Buy CPU/HAF case combo and use stock HSF and TIM (will be fine for a minor OC) save $30
    That would save $108.

    If you want to save even more or compare to what the prebuilts have for the lower price, throw all these in your cart. The case is different, but a heck of a deal with the HDD:
    $31 DVD burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    $135 w/ promo code vga1x615 4870 1gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    $77 w/ promo code cz10 OCZ PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    $100 combo 640gb WD Caviar Black (good, but not as good as the F3) and Coolermaster RC-690 case http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    $185 Mobo/Ram combo from above http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    $390 CPU/OS combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
    Delivered, this total comes to $950 -$25 mir if you want.
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    October 17, 2009 5:45:14 PM

    I would definitely build rather than buy a computer from cyberpower or ibuypower, or the bane of my existence, dell. The actual build isn't difficult, just take your time, the motherboard will come with a manual to tell you where to plug things in. And don't get discouraged by the possibility of shocking components, just use an anti-static wristband found here if you're really nervous: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Or merely ground yourself by touching the metal on your case prior to handling the components.
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    October 17, 2009 5:53:21 PM

    watch some vids on pc building on youtube read some guides you will be set in an hour to build a system
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    October 17, 2009 6:05:35 PM

    And on the off chance you do encounter a problem, everyone here on the forums will help you get it solved. Also, Skora's build is solid.
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    October 17, 2009 6:23:05 PM

    * PSU- Seasonic X750 or Corsair 750TX
    The equivalent to the Corsair TX is the Antec TP. One step up is the HX and SG. All should serve you for many years.....the HX and SG series recommended if you use dual GFX cards and OC. TX/TP series if just dual GFX.

    * CHASSIS- Cooler Master HAF or Cooler Master Cosmos
    Again, equivelent case to consider for the HAF 932 would be the Antec 1200 HAF 922 / Antec 192

    * CPU Cooler- CM V8
    See list here for alternatives and see if ya like anything else - http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

    * Therm. Pas.- TX-2 / MX-2 / Arctic Silver 5
    See comparison's here - http://www.innovationcooling.com/index.html

    * Vid Card.- Sapphire 4870 1Gb or EVGA GTX 260 core 216 overclocked / Radeon 5870????
    Read this - http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5770_5750_pe...

    But, with the Asus MoBo, and if ya decide 5xxx, I'd be looking at these:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

    if for no other reason that when you call up TS w/ a problem, they can't brush you off and blame the other hardware vendor. Everyone is selling "reference ATI boards" so it's not like there's a significant difference between them.

    * HD- WD 640GB Black
    For $15 I'd look for double the capacity and get a 7200.12 .... if ya go to 2TB, the WD Black is a good performer at that size.
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    October 17, 2009 8:18:47 PM

    If your scared of building your own PC but still want the custom build machine, you can always start calling up local computer stores/repair places and ask them how much it will cost to have them build you your system if you bring them the parts. I think I overheard them at a local place I was at that they charge $30 to build the system which is quite resonable in my book. (I wouldnt count geek squad and places like them as a real computer repair place, as they way overcharge, and have a very bad rep)

    Or you can build it yourself, but if you never done it before it is quite nerve racking to do it on a new machine, so I recomend buying one of the junkers form a local thrift store (or dig one up out of the garage) and practice on that a bunch of times till you feel good about it.

    Oh and just to repeat what someone else said, always ground yourself to the case before you touch anything, personally I do that and rest my arms on the case (contacting metal) and than proceed to work on the inside of the case. Oh and be careful of sharp edges in computer cases they can be quite the surprise, my computer is named Saya (from blood+) because I slit my thumb on it pretty good and bleed over the mobo, which was not fun trying to clean up.
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    October 18, 2009 4:13:13 AM

    Thanks to all for the advice.

    This is what I got so far
    parts list
    the vid card is out of order >_< not sure what else list is missing lol.
    on the chassis, i was wondering, since im gonna build it myself, i want to display it :sol:  so the haf just seems a bit unexciting. if you guys say i should get it though, then i will try to convince my dad its the better choice lmao! (AS I SMELL WIRES -_- poor oh poor pc) Have you guys had good experience with the selected parts?
    I liked the Scythe orochi 1000 but newegg didnt seem to have it.

    MOBO
  • I took your suggestions.and will be getting :)  although now that you mention it: tried to do a bit more of reading and I read about the Lynnfield 1156 as not a good choice for upgradeability purposes in the future. Is this true? I'm thinking that I might want to upgrade the system later on too when the time comes. In which case should I get the x58? I don't like to be restricted LOL!

    PSU
  • I read the review about the seasonic 80+ Gold and thought that would be a good choice, however the "OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply" was suggested, & what about this, found it on my researching lol rx 8500I'm just wondering in, longevity, performance, noise lv which would be better. my dad is now wanting a quiet pc lol. Although more likely than not I'm leaning to what you offered, the psu that comes with the haf cuz it states its quiet. :)  Just to be sure.

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    October 18, 2009 4:30:11 AM

    Your link doesn't seem to be working Anikolus, but I'm glad you decided to build :) 

    There are plenty of other good cases besides the HAF 932 if it isn't your thing.

    Just be sure and look around, as a case is a very personal choice. Buy one that you find to be feature filled and aesthetically pleasing.

    The future of the 1156 socket is unsure at this time, so I won't speculate on future upgrades except that I believe it has a future.

    With x58 you really may end up buying more computer then you'll need, but will have a system that has a set future for Gulftown.
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    October 18, 2009 5:28:40 AM

    ominous prime said:
    Your link doesn't seem to be working Anikolus, but I'm glad you decided to build :) 

    There are plenty of other good cases besides the HAF 932 if it isn't your thing.

    Just be sure and look around, as a case is a very personal choice. Buy one that you find to be feature filled and aesthetically pleasing.

    The future of the 1156 socket is unsure at this time, so I won't speculate on future upgrades except that I believe it has a future.

    With x58 you really may end up buying more computer then you'll need, but will have a system that has a set future for Gulftown.



    Ok, i'm getting the hang of maneuvering around here lol! Yah the case is what got me thinking in building, I'm so used to getting a box from dell, that I never realized there were so many types. So in the beginning I was like Ok, that is it! I'm getting a fancy shmancy case, but then I read and read and realized I need a good case not just a fancy case. Seeing that it will be out of the desk shell, which is why it died, because of bad air circulation, I will have it in the open, but am not sure now which is the best in air circulation/performance, look, and i just realized that the haf did not have a i think its called I333 port or firewire so i can connect my camcorder i forget what it was called, gotta look that up. the haf 932 did have it along with like 4 usb ports in front, which was nice. the 922 i can handle it with 2 :)  So the only other i have seen say from ibuypower and cyberpower was the cosmos S which was a beauty. although now i'm not sure about sound with the big fan and such. so yah that's where i'm at.
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    October 18, 2009 7:21:17 AM

    Don't worry about there not being a firewire port on the front....your motherboard will have one on it, so you can plug it in at the back of the computer.....of course it's not quite as convenient as a front connection but it's still possible.

    About parts working together....you can read up all the specs, or you could just give us a list of your final choices and we'll tell you if they all fit together :p 
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    October 18, 2009 7:31:18 AM

    if you do a lil research it should give you an idea if things work together or just ask thf
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    October 18, 2009 12:17:40 PM

    Hey anikolus, the way the wishilist links work is it brings up the cart for the computer looking up the link. So I see my wishlist, not yours. If you want to publish your list like that, there's a share option that will put your wishlist on the public wishlist page. Then you can add that link to your post and we can all see it. You can't add combos to your wish list, but part selection can be done that way.

    Case: As OP said, the cases are very personal. The best way to find a case is look for features you need, the look you want, and post it. Don't worry so much about the BEST cooling. Most of the time, the cases that get into the $75+ range do well enough for cooling. If you have a few that you love the look of, that have the features you want, post some links and we'll say thumbs up or down. The case has a very simple job, to hold all the stuff in. It just needs a few holes in it for air and fans can be added after the fact if you find a case you fall in love with.

    HSF: Here's a review on the orochi: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=225...
    Not that impressed. I'd avoid the low profile HSFs if you're trying to make a display piece. The bigger the fan, the slower it has to run to get the same cooling, the quieter it is. Same goes for case fans.

    We'll be looking out for compatibility for you when we see a final build list. Most of the time, parts will work together just fine. The few pitfalls to watch out for are DDR3 ram that needs more than 1.65v for the i5/i7 CPUs. Really cheap no-name parts, they will hose up some systems because they are quirky (we're not recommending any of those anyway.) We'll make sure the HSF will work with the socket you choose or that an adapter bracket is included. We got your back.

    PSU: Seasonic is a better product than OCZ, but OCZ is a still good enough product to get a recommendation by me. The stats fit for your wants and the price is very reasonable too. You can't go wrong with either.

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    October 18, 2009 1:54:39 PM

    anikolus said:
    Thanks to all for the advice.

    This is what I got so far
    parts list



    Link not working

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    the vid card is out of order >_< not sure what else list is missing lol.


    If it's an ATI 5xx card, get used to it being out of stock. I think the guys getting them must be waiting to sniper one at 12:01 am or whenever neweegg updates it's site after stock arrives.

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    on the chassis, i was wondering, since im gonna build it myself, i want to display it


    I'm in the process of helping my teenage son (18 in 43 days) a box. He's "blinging up" his box with a fancy fan controller, LED fans, UV reactive sleeving on all cables and big side window ... case is an Antec 1200

    Quote:
    I took your suggestions.and will be getting :)  although now that you mention it: tried to do a bit more of reading and I read about the Lynnfield 1156 as not a good choice for upgradeability purposes in the future. Is this true? I'm thinking that I might want to upgrade the system later on too when the time comes. In which case should I get the x58? I don't like to be restricted LOL!


    If you use high bandwidth apps or will, now or possibly in the future, use a 2nd GFX card in SLI / XFire, get the i7....the i7 will still have an edge in most other measurements but hard t justify the price difference if you're on a budget.

    Quote:
    I read the review about the seasonic 80+ Gold and thought that would be a good choice, however the "OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply" was suggested, & what about this, found it on my researching lol rx 8500I'm just wondering in, longevity, performance, noise lv which would be better. my dad is now wanting a quiet pc lol. Although more likely than not I'm leaning to what you offered, the psu that comes with the haf cuz it states its quiet. :)  Just to be sure.


    http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_PSUs

    One of the reasons I generally choose the Antec Signature series (the 650 and 850 are here) is that there are here on the list of quietest PSU's but also at the top of most "best efficiency" and "best signal quality" lists where it sits with the Corsair HX series.
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    October 18, 2009 3:04:35 PM

    Jack, I sniped one just two nights ago, HIS 5850 on the egg, now it's coming up as a deactivated item lol, should be here Wednesday [:mousemonkey:3]

    And Anikolus, follow Skora's advice on the public wishlist so we can help with your build. :) 
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    October 19, 2009 12:27:14 AM

    that antec 1200 looks nice too, thanx for the review site for the psu

    newegg had some bad customer feedback for the antec 1200,One of them comes with the psu already installed but the thought of parts being loosened and scratched I do not like so much.

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    October 22, 2009 2:21:07 AM

    Sorry guys, was busy with work.

    K let me try again, hope this works -_-
    Build with the reworked Cosmos S Case hehe instead of 922, my dad didn't like it.

    I went with the cosmos S cuz I JUST love those curves, i'm sorry guys, it's something about curves that just breaks the mold. lol.

    So can you tell me if this all will work. the card is still out of order, blah.

    If it can't be this case than my dad said I could get the 932 instead of the 922 because he wanted to get it with the "cool" side He likes the side LOL.
    Although for me I could also go for the Antec 1200 that jacknaylor suggested. crazy looking lol.

    But yesh my true love is the cosmos. :(  So yah any advice on the build would be great. Thanks. I need to order this as soon as possible. Cuz I can't wait to start building.
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    October 22, 2009 4:25:11 AM

    Build looks good, although that Cosmos has notoriously bad cable management.
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    October 22, 2009 8:45:48 AM

    Unless you have no tools, I'd drop the tool kit. Only thing in there that may be useful is the anti static strap and that can be bought alone for $4. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I never use one myself and just make sure I'm building on a wood table, like the dining room (drives my wife nuts) and touch the frame of the case before I go in. Our dining room isn't carpeted, so consider that.

    Recheck all the combos too, the ripsaws fell off most of the options.
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    October 22, 2009 9:20:57 PM

    Skora -
  • I need some of those tools because I don't have them hehe. Thanks though. Didn't want to spend more on that, but I figure might as well get it. Also, what do you mean by the ripsaws falling off?

    Ominous -
  • I changed it to the Antec 1200 then.

    I have a question
    With the Antec 1200 Build List
    I want to put a temp display, Included in the list are 2 of them, can you guys give me headz up on that? Which I shold get, Please.

    So far I have to wait till the graphics card is available, I want to make it all one order lol.

    So I got:
  • Good air circulation from the case with included fans.{CHECK}
  • Good noise level from the selected components.{CHECK}
  • Good compatibility with selected components.{CHECK}
  • Good thermal compound.{CHECK}
  • Wristband for ESD.(& a 'lil' extra tools lol){CHECK}
  • Graphics Card.{CHECK}
  • Extras-Temperature Sensor.


    Another questions: Since I added a new case and temp sensor, Is there enough power from the PSU?
    Any other suggestions?
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    October 23, 2009 2:03:21 PM

    The PSU will certainly have enough power. And by temp sensor you mean fan controller. I've never used one myself, but I did watch some videos on youtube. The NZXT sentry sounds like a microwave. You should check some videos out yourself before you decide.
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    October 24, 2009 6:03:09 PM

    The one problem with the GSkills is that they are tall.....of the two 6-7-6-18 DDR 1600 modules on the market (Mushkin and GSkill), the Gskills looked a bit too tall to fit under the edge of the Prolimatech Megahalems. The Mushkin sets, even with the Ascent cooling modules fit w/ room to spare.

    The Zalman one is rather new, I haven't seen much on it yet. The older models were not well rec'd. Check for on line reviews on this one. The NZXT Sentry 2 is considered a consensus favorite though it's predecessors were both bombs (Sentry 1 and LX). My son's using the Asus OC Station which I woulda tried to talk him outta except that it's one fine fan controller....and displays all BIOS info such as voltages and stuff....only works on Asus RoG stuff tho. I don't see a 2nd one on your list though.

    Just so you are aware, all the Antec fans already have speed control. The fronts have a speed dial and the top / rear have 3 position switches. I torture tested the CPU for 8 hours yesterday and my son played Crysis for another 8 hours (920 OC'd from 2.66 OC's to 3.4 as a starter) with all case fans on minimum..... CPU temperature never exceeded 65, no individual core went over 70C and MoBo temp never rose above 27C whole day.

    Case and temp sensor won't change anything PSU wise, but adding a 2nd vid card in the future would. One comment on this though.....you have picked a big case ..... no huge case ..... if all your family has ever seen is mid towers cases, when they see this you are gonna hear "Holy crap that is a huge case, are you gonna live in it ?" Basically I'd break it down to:

    not going to SLI / XFire - i7 920 - 1366 get an Antec 902
    are going to SLI / XFire - i7 860 - 1156 get an Antec 1200

    BTW, if you want a really top end XFire / SLI capable PSU, made specifically for that case and 2 others consider the Antec CP-850:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Would easily accommodate and extra vid card in the future and is several tiers up in quality over the OCZ model....Based upon the reviews I have read, it just about matches, and even exceeds in some tests, the top of the line Antec SG-850 ($239) which is twice it's $119 price.

    If you want to do any cable sleeving ..... add these tools:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3835/too-05/Dual_Ende...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3836/too-07/FrozenCPU...

    Tips on building with the Antec 1200:

    -It is big, no its huge (no different from it's equivalents in this respect but no mid tower. Even been in a house with old fashioned stream "radiators", that's what my wife called it. So be prepared for some working room and the heft. And if ya Dad is an old fart like me, his back is gonna hurt by the time MoBo is mounted.

    -You may need a 12" 8 Pin EPS Extension Cable - 8 Pin to 4+4 Pin (CB-8M-8F). I grabbed mine at frozencpu.....looks like newegg has one but I liked the frozen CPU one better cuz it was 8 x 4+4

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7562/cab-114/12_8_Pin...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    -Connect HD cables before installing vid card. Take middle HD cage out when doing. Though your MoBo may heve different placement.

    -Put fan controller in top bay, DVD below that.

    -One of the HD cages has an extra fan mount on the back of it however a fan is not provided. The Antec case provides for two optional fans to cool your vid card. We bought two of these:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    One goes on the aforementioned extra fan mount on the back of the HD cage. The other goes in the case window. Unless your MoBo is very different, the extra fan should be on the back of the middle HD cage.

    -The case window fan mounts rotated 45 degrees. That is whereas all the other fans mount "square", the window fan is rotated so that it looks like a diamond. There is a small issue with this, again, depending on your MoBo. In our case, the bottom of the HSF hits the tippity top of the top of the "diamond". It's an easy fix but you'll need a dremel tool. The fan housing consists a round shroud that the fan sits in, sandwiched between two squares which provide the holes in the corners for mounting.

    Let me use this analogy to explain....cutting your fan in half is like opening a bologna (aka baloney ... spelling a word that way is mean to small children) sandwich. Imagine you are looking at two slices of bread side by side with 1 slice of "baloney" on each. Now at the 4 corners, you are going to see some bread that is not covered by the "baloney". One one of the slices of bread, you are going to trim the corner off.

    So, on the side that faces the case window (intake), you "leave the bread alone". On the side that faces the inside of the case, you trim the corner. Just watch out not to grind away the little wires for the LED at that corner.

    -There's a channel between the back of the HD cages and the end of the MoBo tray that is ideal for routing the 24 pin MoBo connector. The 8 pin EPS connector can be routed thru a tray hole and back in at the top for neatness. Again, you may need an extension to make the stretch as many PSU vendors expect their PSU's to be mounted at the top of the case so they provide a short cable. Antec PSU's (at least the upper tiers) work just fine as their cases are designed this way.

    -Most upper tier cases these days are "part modular" ... that is some wires are hard wired and the rest (which therefore need not be hanging out in your case) are modular. When powering your vid card, with two PCI-E 6+2 connectors, you do not want to use both of them on a single card. Use the hard wired 6+2 and the modular 6 pin.

    -Your fan controller tales 3 pin inputs. All your case fans are Molex connectors. My recommendation:

    * 1 top 200mm Big Boy 200™ blue LED fan - Fan 1
    * 2 rear 120mm TriCool™ blue LED fan - Fan 2
    * 3 front 120mm blue LED fan (18" sleeve / 6" HS) - Use Front of case dials to control fans
    * 1 (optional) side 120mm fan to cool graphics cards - Fan 3
    * 1 (optional) middle 120mm fan to cool CPU or graphics cards - Fan 4

    For the BgBoy fan (Fan 1) you'll need a Molex to 3 pin converter:
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9116/cab-174/3_Pin_Fe...

    For the two rear fans (Fan 2) you'll need a Molex to 3 pin converter as above plus a Y splitter. You could just plug the two molex together 1st, then use the adapter, that would skip the Y splitter but you may need the length depending on routing.
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1090/cab-05/3-pin_Y_C...

    Check your controller can handle the amperage of the two "ganged" fans. Also to make things easier, I took out and remounted the two rear case fans so that the fan wires came out at the same point. Let's see how good my ASCII art is these days:

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    <----------Case Window -----------------MoBo -------------->


    For the two optional fans, you're OK.

    -Mount the HD in the middle of the bottom HD cage....not only provides optimal cooling but it creates a tight enough nook to hold all the unused PSU cables in place.

    -Suggest grabbing a few wire saddles and plastic tie straps thingies like this:

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8033/tiw-98/ModSmart_...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3792/tiw-07/7_Blue_Ti...

    But instead of $1 a piece, I suggest Radio Shack or TrueValue Hardware and some spray paint. Grab a new 6 plug power strip / surge protector while you're there cause if it's like my house, the two that Dad bought last year, Mom put a way in safe place and it's so safe that no one can find it even her.

    -Have a desk lamp with a flexible neck and / or powerful flashlight. Even the brightest room don't shine light thru steel and ya gotta see up into nooks and crannies.

    -Have "Sharpie" permanent marker, a box of zip-loc sandwich bags and freezer bags available. As you remove components from boxes, put all the accessory doo-dads in labeled plastic bags. At the end of build put all of these in your MoBo box.

    -If you are sleeving steal Mom's Hair Dryer. If your are going to build new 3 pin connectors and soldering new pins on the end of the wires one of these will be handy for the ole fart ....er I mean Dad :)  . All kidding aside, my son said he must be an ole fart too cause those 3 pin plugs are teeny.

    http://www.amazon.com/Xacto-X75170-X-tra-Hands-Magnifie...

    -If your PC building workbench is like mine and does secondary duty as a dining room table, then a plain color table coloring (preferably white) is best .... in fact the white pad things rock.....just don't let the soldering iron top touch or Mom's gonna be PO'd.

    Go to the manufacturer's web sites and download all the latest Win7-64 drivers and put on a USB stick or burn to CD. Ones in boxes almost always outdated. Do search the CD as often the CD contains some extra stuff that can't be found on manufacturer's web site. Don't forget the HD manufacturer's software which won't be in your OEM boxes.

    -Lastly grab a 3 ring (D-Ring best) binder (1.5 to 2") along with a set of index tabs and download / print all the product manuals and whatever you can find on manufacturer's web sites. Yes, you get copies in boxes but they small, often outdated and you can mark up the ones you download in Acrobat or on the larger 8.5 x 11 paper you print it on.

    Also put in any pinouts diagrams you downloaded, instructions say on sleeving techniques, packing lists, order receipts, OC'ing advice etc.
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    October 28, 2009 4:36:54 PM

    JackNaylorPE said:
    The one problem with the GSkills is that they are tall.....


    Thanks Jack, A lot of helpful info. I was laughing at your comment lol! yah it is a tall case, but nicer than my dell. I'm not getting the 2 other fans because as a noob and as how things are going I think it is best I just keep it simple. I'm not going to crossfire. I'm just having one card.
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    So the Mugen 2 is not compatible with lga1156 - BUMMER! I read somewhere that there might be an adapter for it. That annoyed me quite a bit. I'm not sure what to think now.

    The zalman fan controller..well that is also not compatible with the antec 1200 - another BUMMER! Too many numbers that I had to figure out, of which I was unable to.

    I'm really not liking this pc building. Took me a while just to figure out how to READ the PSU CABLES right. This might be the first and last pc build i do.

    Installing the processor omg I felt like i was destroying it pushing down on the damm handle. I could hear little scratchy noises if you get up close to it, I almost thought it was short circuiting but i had no power connectivity so maybe it is still ok. I had to get the 5770 because I could just not wait for the 5850 to arrive at newegg. Out of service TOO long for me.

    I'm hoping I can send back the fan controller and the mugen back to new egg. although I think I lost 100bucks + sad.
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    October 29, 2009 12:11:54 AM

    Well the Antec has "built in" fan control so trying to get two things to accomplish one thing often leads to problems. When you get older you will understand this better when your wife tries to help you with things.....ask Dad about that one :)  .

    As for the HS installation, yes, that's why I love the Prolimatech HS ..... easiest HSF I ever installed.

    Yes, it is difficult 1st time through but now you know all the answers ! I suggest posting your build about 4-6 weeks before you intend to build it. My son is just turning 18 and he wanted to order it right away .... then again, if you do that, some will tell you that prices will change over 6 weeks and you're wasting your time.....his build actually cost more than it did 6 weeks earlier as we lost some rebates, some things went up, some down...was only about $15 difference.
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    October 29, 2009 6:10:37 AM

    Yah I know, that is what I told my dad but he didn't know any better and wanted the cool gadget. However I liked the fact that I could tell the temperature. I think I installed it right, as I'm getting readings except for one. The fans are all 0's lol! the antec like i said does not have the correct plug for the zalman, or the other way around.

    Now my deal is that the fans are like constant.!!!! They are on low, but like turning the whole time. wtf! I don't know why. I have not installed the sys fan switch...maybe that is it? not sure, cuz i don't know where the switch for that is on the antec or power supply. at first i thought it was the end switch from the molex connector or sata connector from the psu. but not winging it. I connected like 3 fans to one of the molex connectors from the psu, is that wise? sorta ran out of those plugs.

    I'm having a big prob with the windows install, it keeps stopping at needing a driver, I tried and not sure what to do. I dont or are not using raid setup, and the system isnt finding the driver. It is a gigabyte p55m-ud2 mobo, with windows 7. mobo box says support for win 7, maybe that is a prob. I don't know. the sata drive is in the gigabyte sata instead of the p55 sata connector, have no idea what the diff is. I switched around cuz i was thinking maybe that is what the problem was, but still not sure. I also think it may be cuz its not formatted? that option is grayed out from the windows install screen. so yah LOST! worst than watching the show. -_- anyhoo any advice would be ever so helpful right now cuz i spent all day with this and nothing. THANX :) 
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    October 30, 2009 3:22:15 AM

    Fans blow, that's what they do....they aren't going to stop. I find them inaudible at the low speed setting. I have never seen fans go off unless they were broken.

    You CAN connect the fans to the controller....just need a few of these.

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9116/cab-174/3_Pin_Fe...

    should control fan speed, but rpm won't show.

    Are you sure HD is plugged into SATA port and not e-SATA port ? Doing wrong one could be very bad thing.

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    October 30, 2009 10:28:24 PM

    o.o esata? i have no clue, i thought all my plugs where sata i bought a new drive a barracuda 7200 seagate, it works now. lol so my system is up, just have to install some software and drivers. I was jumping up and down when the win setup recognized the drive. :bounce: 
    I just looked it up, they are for external ones right?
    my mobo has sata and i guess gsata i thought was gigabyte sata and sata was the intel sata i have no idea lol.
    i'll have to relook for the sata cable from the front of the antec if i hooked up right too, o.o

    I don't want to send back the fan, i want to use it so i'm gonna wait for the adapter. taking off the fan was a bitch! it was like stuck to the chip. I reapplied and omg that was annoying.

    I liked that adapter jack, thanx. I will have to get some, i wonder if radio shack has em, ill have to look. and ok so fans always gonna be on. btw. the sysfan switch in the mobo, what connects to that? the antec 1200 has the side fan, should i get one and connect that to the sysfan switch? not sure.


    OK i just looked my graphics card and chip are running from 32-40 degrees celsius. does that sound about right? i'm thinking i installed the glue wrong for the chip and is prob causing temp to go higher. not sure.

    so overall yah i DID enjoy myself, the finale was the best! I will be doing this again. Thanks to all for giving me the push to do this. First time is a killer for anything right? haha!
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    October 31, 2009 3:58:33 PM

    Yes the E in E-SATA stands for external.....that goes to the external e-SATA connector for the case exterior.

    Generally, at least on the Asus boards I used, SATA ports are blue and E-SATA black.

    Remember, i don't know of you missed it in my earlier post but though you can connect the fans to the controller using that adapter, you won't be able to control them or read rpm's on the controller.

    Here's the fans you have in your case (Black plastic w/ Molex Connectors):

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7839/fan-478/Antec_Tr...

    Here's the fans you need to use a controller to see fan rpms (clear plastic w/ 3 pin connectors):

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7837/fan-476/Antec_Tr...

    If you're not concerned about the rpm indication, you can cut open the molex connectors, remove the pins and solder on clips which you can insert in 3 pin connectors. Might as well sleeve them all while you're at it.

    Here's a parts / tools list if you want to tackle:

    Tools
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3835/too-05/Dual_Ende...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3836/too-07/FrozenCPU...

    Connectors:
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1821/ele-173/3-Pin_Po...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1828/ele-180/FrozenCP...

    Sleeve / Heat Shrink
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3726/slv-25/Ultra_Blu...
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1845/ele-196/14_Blue_...

    Light:
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2994/lit-32/Logisys_D...

    The trick to soldering those timy pins out is to melt a dab of solder on the connector ..... hold the wire end on the connector between the clamping pins and then put teh soldering iron on the back of the pi till the solder melts.....remove soldering iron and hold together for 2 secs until solder hardens again. If Dad helps, be nice and buy him one of these:

    http://www.amazon.com/Xacto-X75170-X-tra-Hands-Magnifie...

    On my son's box, we sleeved all the front of case wiring, e-sata, USB, fan wiring, just about all except what was already sleeved on the PSU. Needed about 12' of 1/4 sleeve (3' of 1/4 Heat Shrink) and 12' of 1/2" sleeve (3' Heat Shrink).
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    November 1, 2009 1:13:58 AM

    Ah ok, I might save that for another time, right now I need a break, I'm just happy that the pc works. I oc to 2.97 and i think it was ok, but revert back to 2.79 i think it was that was fun. lol. I will save the instructions u gave me though so i can do it when i got more time, i'm behind in everything. That cathode light is cool too. This case is a beauty. Looks much better in person than it does on the screen.

    The connector on the site says, pins aren't included?
    and i would prob be doing everything, my dad doesnt mess with my hobbies lol!! he just admires em. haha. k thankies I would like to see your case btw. :pt1cable:  so i can get an idea as to what it should look like :) 
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    November 1, 2009 1:19:08 AM

    Well if ya ain't sleeving, grab a lot of black plastic ties :) 

    The light basically makes the UV sleeving glow .... so if ya don't sleeve , not much of a reason to get it.

    Yes, look at the link above the connector link for the pins. Here's a repeat below

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1821/ele-173/3-Pin_Po...
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