5970 benches leaked

Thought you guys would like to know. Looks like one beast of a card.

http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon- [...] surcface-/

Yes, very interesting.

I know, its kind of ridiculous. Probably wont fit in a lot of cases.

Interesting, but the clock speeds for the cards seem kind of low to me. Lower than the base rates for the 5870.

not so good

I wouldn't be surprised if they have to reduce the clocks a little just to fit in under the power spec. It will be even hard (maybe even worse) for NVidia's dual card as well.

That's what I was thinking, espescially those Stalker numbers, why such a discrepency between the X2 and two 5870's ?

Seems to be a clock speed thing to me.

HD 5870:
Core Clock: 850mhz
Memory Clock: 1200mhz

HD 5970:
Core Clock: 725mhz
Memory Clock: 1000mhz

The "something special" could be a full clocked version with two 8-pin power connectors, maybe.

Holy Cow that thing is HUGE! Does it come with it's own defense system?

If I just payed $390 for a 5870, I wonder what they are going to charge for this monster? $700...... $800?

Wow, that is really big. And a backplate too? I see it has a 6 and 8 pin connector, so I guess it is ok on power, but what is the PCI-E card weight spec?!?

Phhhh... lol @ peoples trying to judge the card over some... leaked benches with beta drivers... bravo, simply bravo...

I'm guessing it's the total power available to a single card. 5870 = 6+6pin. 5970 = 6+8pin. Sticking two fully clocked 5870 chips on a single card would pull more amps than are available in a 6+8pin line.

PCIE 2.0 = 150 watts
6pin = 75 watts
8pin = 150 watts

PCIE+6+6 = 300 watts
PCIE+6+8 = 375 watts
Going by wattage, the new 5970 only has a 25% increase in power available to it compared to a 5870. If they made the card with 8+8 pin, the power would go up to 450W in a single lane.

And honestly, you wouldn't want to pack any more heat than that into a single lane. After all: heat + high voltage = bad. At this point, it's worth reminding people that the average microwave uses about 1000W. But a microwave oven is huge, and takes up a good chunk of the kitchen counter. This is a mere 1 inch wide. There's only so much heat you can cram into a single width of your computer.

If any of you were expecting 5970 ~= 2x5870, it couldn't have happened. You can't get that much power into a single card, nor would you want to.

You do realize that's what I did earlier in the thread comparing my 2X 5870 results, and the X2 results from Guru3D... and guess what ?...... ( hold your breath).......























THE NUMBERS DON'T EQUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I've been trying to say, either thew new X2 performs worse than 2X 5870 in crossfire, OR they need to do some serious driver work.

Edit: Or these numbers are bogus.

Bogus info... or its the 5950 (or some other model) being shown.... not the 5970. It doesn't add up.

At peak load, the 5870 will pull well over 200Watt. Especially if you try to OC it. Check Tom's Charts on power usage. It's up there.

... Unless I have the wrong power numbers for each rail and I'm adding things wrong.

Isnt 188 more than 150?

Seems like it, yeah.

Unless all the naming BS was put into the drivers to confuse us all to the fact they really have a single GPU 5900 series coming (maybe released only on Mars as it is the red one..)

Personally I'd rather just have simple number designations as I know what I am getting anyway.. you know.. as i look it up.. Though can see why people like to tell folks on the net they use an "HD5870X2OCXTPRO Super Toxic Edition"

ahahaha is this a joke from ati? the card looks ridiculously long almoast to the point where it's laughable

150W from the slot. 75W from one six-pin connector. He's asking why it needs another.

Good, good call dropping the X2 moniker, though. Smart move.

So is that a +1 for err...renaming the x2's. even though Nv did similar thing over a year ago and have got slagged off ever since.

But then it would cost the same or more than Nv have/would charge for their top of the range card and ATI would never do that because they are our friend and only make and sell cards because they love us.

nVidia just came out with a single pcb dual also. Means nothing, even if this is correct
All cards arent the same, the TDP window is rather large for gfx cards.
I imagine having a non referenced oceed card thats a lil leaky may draw more power, and whats the oc power draw anyways?

i think he was being clever dawg

Ive mentioned this before, I'll do it again.
The 58xx series has been maturing all this time its been out. I know the yields arent where they want them, and TSMC needs to correct a few things there, but, by the time Fermo is released, the 58xx series will be much more mature, which means better yields, but also usually better TDPs, both of which plays into the hands of ATI, while nVidia has to still go thru its growing pains, in a slower buying time, with most likely pricy cards, lower sales, and lower production, slowing its maturation on a large slow maturing die anyways
This means, the x2 parts should be ready in plenty of time, both in yields and power, with a good supply as well