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[Solved] GTA 4 and my 5870 no boost from 4870?

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Finally Picked up a 5870 this week and was anxious to get it installed and test it out on current games. Gta4 was my first game using 9.10 driver and fraps. First with my 4870 getting avg 40 fps. Then fresh install of the driver with a 5870 and I'm getting less around 35 fps at 1920 x 1200 all high settings. What gives? Shouldn't I see another 20fps at least with the 5870? I'm using windows 7 and a x4 955 at 4ghz 8 gb DDR 3. Have yet to try other games I will tomorrow it's late now. Just was curious to why this is? Any suggestions out there, thanks!

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first of all the GTA4 are more CPU hungry. maybe you can get more FPS with 6 core cpu that are going to make debut next year :D other than that it might be driver related. right now ATI keep improving their driver so maybe you can get better performance later in the future. so have a little patient. that thing is totally new so we have to give it some time to sort out :)
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GTA4 is CPU intensive, but the framerate shouldn't dip on the improved GPU. Did you increase the settings? Are you benchmarking with the same settings?

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first of all the GTA4 are more CPU hungry. maybe you can get more FPS with 6 core cpu that are going to make debut next year :D other than that it might be driver related. right now ATI keep improving their driver so maybe you can get better performance later in the future. so have a little patient. that thing is totally new so we have to give it some time to sort out :)


Message edited by renz496 on 10-31-2009 at 07:55:55 AM
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soldier37 , the drivers are doing more work to drive this card than the 4870 . in that process , they eat up more cpu cycles , and less cpu is left for GTA4 . that said , gta4 is annoyingly dependent on cpu . in other games , you'll be pleased to own that 5870 baby !

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don't ever use GTA4 to benchmark any video card. it was a crappy port by Rockstar North and it'll give u inconsistent results (although, like others said, it seems to be heavily dependent on your CPU).

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cyberkuberiah wrote :

soldier37 , the drivers are doing more work to drive this card than the 4870 . in that process , they eat up more cpu cycles , and less cpu is left for GTA4 . that said , gta4 is annoyingly dependent on cpu . in other games , you'll be pleased to own that 5870 baby !



How do you try to get off saying things like that ? "the drivers are doing more work..." Huh ? Do you have any kind of proof that the 58** series drivers rape the cpu to fully utilize the card ? I don't think so.... Clearly you are only speculating. The OP needs some intelligent suggestions to his problems such as : maybe there is a GTA4 bug with the 9.10 drivers, maybe he should try 9.9 and test again, or check to make sure that his clock speeds are being bumped up in 3d mode, or maybe he can fiddle with the catalyst a.i. settings and see if that helps, or just make sure that the settings are exactly the same from both benchmarks.

See, I came up with a few reasonable suggestions without trying to tell somebody that the 58** series drivers are bloated and need faster processors to cope than the 48** series...rediculous.

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annisman wrote :

How do you try to get off saying things like that ? "the drivers are doing more work..." Huh ? Do you have any kind of proof that the 58** series drivers rape the cpu to fully utilize the card ? I don't think so.... Clearly you are only speculating. The OP needs some intelligent suggestions to his problems such as : maybe there is a GTA4 bug with the 9.10 drivers, maybe he should try 9.9 and test again, or check to make sure that his clock speeds are being bumped up in 3d mode, or maybe he can fiddle with the catalyst a.i. settings and see if that helps, or just make sure that the settings are exactly the same from both benchmarks.

 

See, I came up with a few reasonable suggestions without trying to tell somebody that the 58** series drivers are bloated and need faster processors to cope than the 48** series...rediculous.

 

a card with newer architecture and more horsepower demands more work from the drivers , have a look at the how the typical cpus of the time when 8800gtx launched , held it back , but usually the fps lost is more than made up for performance gained in graphics rendering .

 

look at tom's review of 5870 , 64 fps is the max an oc'ed 4ghz i7 can muster irrespective of the resolution be it 1680x1050 or 2560x1600 .

 

the OP can try different resolutions .

 

later drivers will improve on this situation . trying out 9.9 would be a step backwards as 9.10 introduced other fixes and enhancements .

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Message edited by cyberkuberiah on 10-31-2009 at 11:25:08 AM
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GTA IV needs to be overhauled or at least patched with a better engine that isn't so screwed up. It even makes the PS3 lag at times.

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GTAIV doesn't even allow your video card to do the AA... i mean c'mon, what kind of PC game is this? Oh yeah, just a money grubbing shoddy port.

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Well thanks for the input guys, i figured there was something up with gta 4. Going to install and check out Crysis warhead and far cry 2, flashpoint 2 and Borderlands today to see how they run. Proud owner of the new hotness here, might get a second one later for xfire.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/Soldier36/DSC05079.jpg

------------------------------ Phen 2 955 @ 4 GHZ MSI 790FX AM3 Gskill 8Gb DDR3 1333 ATI 5870 1 Gb 2 x Velociraptors 600Gb Gateway 24" 1920 x 1200 DVI 32 GB Iphone 3GS and Blu Ray...life is good!
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btw when will ATI going to releasing 5870 2GB version? sorry off topic :p

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Im hearing end of November Renz, seen some news on it yesterday... link below

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/view [...] =4&t=17968

------------------------------ Phen 2 955 @ 4 GHZ MSI 790FX AM3 Gskill 8Gb DDR3 1333 ATI 5870 1 Gb 2 x Velociraptors 600Gb Gateway 24" 1920 x 1200 DVI 32 GB Iphone 3GS and Blu Ray...life is good!
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cyberkuberiah wrote :

a card with newer architecture and more horsepower demands more work from the drivers , have a look at the how the typical cpus of the time when 8800gtx launched , held it back , but usually the fps lost is more than made up for performance gained in graphics rendering .

look at tom's review of 5870 , 64 fps is the max an oc'ed 4ghz i7 can muster irrespective of the resolution be it 1680x1050 or 2560x1600 .

the OP can try different resolutions .

later drivers will improve on this situation . trying out 9.9 would be a step backwards as 9.10 introduced other fixes and enhancements .




No offense, but you aren't reading the Tom's GTA4 benchmarks correctly. Being capped at 64fps no matter at what resolution has nothing to do with graphics drivers, and everything to do with a CPU limitation. And 9.9 isn't really a step backwards conisdering they barely added a thing if you look at the release notes, which I doubt you have. Going back to earlier drivers is only a 'step back' if your computer loses performance because of it. This is not always the case.

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annisman wrote :

No offense, but you aren't reading the Tom's GTA4 benchmarks correctly. Being capped at 64fps no matter at what resolution has nothing to do with graphics drivers, and everything to do with a CPU limitation. And 9.9 isn't really a step backwards conisdering they barely added a thing if you look at the release notes, which I doubt you have. Going back to earlier drivers is only a 'step back' if your computer loses performance because of it. This is not always the case.



thanks annisman for being moderate and not getting nazi over slight disagreements . yeah , even i'm interested for the OP to try 9.9 for this game , it no improvements then ill get a judgement over my speculation of the newer drivers/card combination eating more cpu .

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soldier37 wrote :

Im hearing end of November Renz, seen some news on it yesterday... link below

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/view [...] =4&t=17968



i think that's an info about upcoming 5900 series (hemlock) not a 5870 with 2GB of memory.... :??:

Reply to renz496

soldier37 wrote :

Well thanks for the input guys, i figured there was something up with gta 4. Going to install and check out Crysis warhead and far cry 2, flashpoint 2 and Borderlands today to see how they run. Proud owner of the new hotness here, might get a second one later for xfire.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/ [...] C05079.jpg



all the games u've listed , yummy , far cry 2 is has wonderful open environment and a large , large map for you to explore !

Reply to cyberkuberiah

JofaMang wrote :

GTAIV doesn't even allow your video card to do the AA... i mean c'mon, what kind of PC game is this? Oh yeah, just a money grubbing shoddy port.



aa cannot be enabled because the problem is GTA4 uses its own render pipeline perhaps due to porting related limitations and they arent gonna do a full rewrite of that . this is really ridiculous , as the graphics or physics arent out of the world , and 5870 with phenom2 x4 4.0 ghz would have played like hot knife on butter !

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To the guy that said the 5870 needs more horse power to run then the 4870. You said you are not speculating but YOU ARE SPECULATING. It doesn't take more horse power from the CPU (what you say was true in the single core days but not with a quad core) it just takes more CPU grunt to reach the video cards ceiling. You should not in ANY way see a performance drop on a quad core CPU. Think of it this way, The CPU takes this much time -------- (9) to render then image, then the GPU takes this much time -----(5), That means it takes -------------- (14) to render a complete image. If you cut off 2-- from the GPU rendering time then it takes ------------(12). So you can see even though the Video card is 2x as fast it might not seem a lot faster. In truth the GPU probably takes more time to render then the CPU. The CPU and GPU also render things at the same time ( they each render 3 frames ahead. Which sometimes causes mouse/input lag).

Its not a more powerful card that requires a more powerful CPU either, its the bulky drivers with a new generation of card that can cause that. While GTA4 is a CPU limited game, it is not bottle necked by the CPU. It is a nice balance. You wont see a linear increase from a faster CPU or GPU, it would take a combination of both.

Your premise for your conclusion is flawed because you are leaving out information, also what information you do provide shouldn't lead you to the conclusion you reach.

To the OP, Make sure VSynk is off as that can create an overall drop because without triple buffering your FPS has to be divisible to your Hz setting.


Message edited by SlyNine on 11-19-2009 at 08:30:18 AM
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