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October 21, 2009 1:32:04 PM

Hi, I'm planing to build an extreme pc with top performance/quality parts. Money is not an option. Need help with building it with best case, psu and cooling.

Ok so I need cooling and psu powerful enought to handle:

i7 975 extreme
Gigabyte x58-Extreme mobo
2x GeForce GTX 295 CO-OP Hydro Copper

I had a look on Tai Chi case, and Thermaltake Toughtpower PSU 1200w and 1500w, which are 99 and 120amper. So how many watts and ampers of power do I need and cooling power?

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October 21, 2009 2:09:17 PM

first off id screw the NVIDIA and go for the even better ati 5870 in crossfire mode

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as far as cooling hers a good list to choose from:

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/prolimatech-mega-shadow-...

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/cogage-true-spirit-cpu-c...

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermolab-baram-universa...

and as far as a good psu to power that a good 750 watt should do it easily with the two ati cards in crossfire mode and just think if u get the ati u can get eyefinity O.O

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October 21, 2009 7:29:20 PM

Biohazard2012 said:
I guess I forgot to mention about this.

I want my system as silent and as cool as possible with best performance...

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=017-P3-129... in x2 mode water cooled comes with 3.6gb memory and PhysX... Can Ati really out perform this ?


Silent and cool + GTX 295 do not mix. And yes, Quad SLi with GTX 295 doesn't scale well and will break in most games. You're better off getting two/three HD 5870.
October 21, 2009 8:45:53 PM

honestly dude top of the line shouldnt cost u more then $2000
October 21, 2009 9:34:57 PM

Ok let me point this out and redefine my question.

1st ATIs 5870 in crossfire mode generates heat over 100c due to its poor ventilation and there is not much you can do about it.
2nd I have no need of eyefinity and dx11 for time being is a useless thing. But PhysX on other hand is pretty usefull extra u get on a gforce.
3rd As far as i know SLI scales better en crossfire in most cases and dual 295 is still on top of any benchmark. The ones from eVGA come with Liquid colling tank and without fan, which i guess will be more silent and better cooled.

So now my question is, For Extreme performance and Quality/reliability

Which components should I use.

Will the case Tai Chi from thermaltake with its cooling give enought power to cool gigabyte x58 extreme mobo with double eVGA liquid cooled cards and I7 975 extreme proc. Or where is a better choice ?

Gigabyte X58 extreme or rampage 2 extreme ? ( or a better one which I dont know)

Which ram is better choice to use with any of that boards ( concerned about the speed of the ram which can actually be usefull for that mobo.)

For Power Supply I know its not just the watts, with todays graphic cards hunger, we are looking for Ampers as well... I know single gtx295 configuration needs a PSU of 46A+ , so whats the need of a double configuration. Is a Toughpower 1200w(99a) or 1500w(120a) good choice or there is a better one (I need it reliable and as silent as possible).

for HDD Im thinking about velocity raptors with 10.000rpm in raid 0

is there better choice for more performance and reliability ?

Please give me a profesional advice.

Thank You!

October 21, 2009 9:39:37 PM

sigh* i guarantee u that u will not beat 2 5850's in crossfire mode with anything else but whatever as far as the PSU im no expert in that go into the psu forum part and ask them theyll help u better i just know how to make crazy builds
October 21, 2009 9:47:33 PM

Velociraptors are old tech. If money is no object, get two SSD's in raid 0 for OS and apps, and get either a 1tb spinpoint f3 or a 2tb caviar black.
October 21, 2009 9:57:39 PM

5870s. Period.
For PSU, if you are sticking with 2 cards. Something along the lines of the Corsair HX750 should be great. For 3 cards, something like an HX850 would be better.
October 21, 2009 9:57:39 PM

Are SSDs reliable enought now days? Which models do u suggest?
I mean I'm ok with sacrificing few seconds of loading time for a better reliability.. I want this system to last 2-5 years without the trouble of a hd failure on a raid 0 mode.
October 21, 2009 10:00:39 PM

TRUST ME DUDE 2 5870's in crossfire mode will go above and beyond your expectations and if ur really not that satisfied wait till hte 31'st to see what shits nvidia got up there sleeve
October 21, 2009 10:08:20 PM

ssd= way faster than the 300gb raptor lol. Also i7 975 is waste, if you want top line, you need to overclock or buy another cpu after a new one comes. The psu with lowest ripple is XFX BLACK EDITION 850 Wats. It has max ripple of 25mv~ on i think 3.3v
October 21, 2009 10:15:06 PM

A fool and his money are soon parted.
October 21, 2009 10:17:48 PM

okay dnt listen to the cave man
October 22, 2009 12:41:38 AM

EVGA X58 SLI Classified Hydro Copper or Gigabyte x58-extreme or Asus Rampage 2 extreme ?
October 22, 2009 2:09:12 AM

If money is no object:

Intel i7-975 extreme

EVGA X58 SLI Classified

6GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-2000

Intel X-25E SSD's (x4, Raid 0)

1.5TB Seagate

Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 (x3, 3way SLI)

PC Power & Cooling 1200W Turbo Cool Series





October 22, 2009 2:35:21 AM

Thanks valsorim and everyone for your advice.

But I think I'm pretty decided on getting evga hydrocopper for mobo and gtx295 x2

So now its about the cooling needed to cool all that stuff... Yes I'm planing to overclock it.

So what will be best case and liquid cooling for it
October 22, 2009 3:28:38 AM

If you're planing on WC why not get 2 ati 5870 in CF and put them in your WC loop.

If you want PhysX you can add a geforce as a third card.
October 22, 2009 3:56:00 AM

Guys this man is obviously a champion and thus needs the best a man can get the gtx295 i mean 1x5870 doesnt bench slightly lower than a dual gpu 295 in almost all dx10 games and pass it in 10.1 and 11 games like cumon you cant top the 295...
October 22, 2009 4:03:57 AM

The 5870 is a single gpu card that bests the Gtx 295 in some games and losts by a small margin in others. ...get the 5870..or wait for the 5870x2..but i would go for the crossfire 5870s...you can watercool if you wish also.

another..you arent high end until you have ssds...no other component contributes to the systems speed more than the disk drive...you can have an overclock i7 975 to 7.0 ghz...with quad 5870 crossfire....if it has an hard drive for the operating system...it will "feel" slower than an amd althon 6000+ with an intel x25-m g2 for the o.s
October 22, 2009 4:17:16 AM

Ok maybe I should enlighten you all In real life tests VelociRaptor is as fast in loading times as x25-m ssd and has much faster WRITE speed. While on a paper it shows that its more en 2 times slower from x25-m with READs. In real situtations its just a 1sec loading time difference while loading Windows or Photoshop CS etc.

So basicly while making a gaming rig. you are just wasting your money on SSD, + flash driver are not as reliable as magnetic ones.
October 22, 2009 5:03:49 AM

OCZ Blade Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000)
is this a good choice ?

btw does this mobos PCI slot work 16x 16x 16x when 3 cards are installed ? or its more like a 16x 8x 8x ?

whats the max voltage and MHZ RAM which can be used on this mobo
October 22, 2009 5:37:22 AM

Biohazard2012 said:
Ok maybe I should enlighten you all In real life tests VelociRaptor is as fast in loading times as x25-m ssd and has much faster WRITE speed. While on a paper it shows that its more en 2 times slower from x25-m with READs. In real situtations its just a 1sec loading time difference while loading Windows or Photoshop CS etc.

So basicly while making a gaming rig. you are just wasting your money on SSD, + flash driver are not as reliable as magnetic ones.


A 1 second loading time difference for a program that takes 2 seconds to load is a big deal. The SSD is better than your velociraptor, just like the 5870 CrossFire/3-Way Crossfire is better. Ugh.
October 22, 2009 5:44:56 AM

listen to brockh
October 22, 2009 5:45:22 AM

Windows XP load time 40sec with x25m and 41sec with velociraptor

Please let me know what kind of alien technoloby you are using to load a OS in 2sec.. or even a Photoshop CS.

Yea and show me a 3way 5870 crossifre configuration in action thank you.
October 22, 2009 5:55:17 AM

That is some alien technology lo. can't really imagine that lab test thingy in my guest room
October 22, 2009 6:26:19 AM

Biohazard2012 said:
Windows XP load time 40sec with x25m and 41sec with velociraptor

Please let me know what kind of alien technoloby you are using to load a OS in 2sec.. or even a Photoshop CS.

Yea and show me a 3way 5870 crossifre configuration in action thank you.


AMD Radeon HD 5870 Triple CrossFireX Performance Testing
October 22, 2009 7:15:15 AM

Intel Core i7 975 Extreme Edition Processor = $1000
EVGA X58 SLI Classified Hydro Copper = $570
EVGA GeForce GTX295 CO-OP Hydro Copper x2 = $1440
WD VelociRaptor 300gb x2 = $460
OCZ Blade Series 6 GB DDR3 PC3-16000 = $450
2000 MHz Triple Channel Kit
OCZ3B2000LV6GK
OCZ Turbo-Cool 1200w ESA =$550


This is my configuration plan up to now, so now i need a good case & a nice liqiud cooling. Any advices on it ? I'm not experienced in water cooling instalations so something more of a plug&play would be a better choice for me. ;) 
October 22, 2009 7:33:19 AM

Zalman ZMachine LQ1000 =$650 is this a good enought choice ?
October 22, 2009 7:57:52 AM

NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 295 In Quad SLI

For $1440 you're gonna get worse performance in some games (and less than 20-30% scaling in other games which is horrible), instead of spending less on 3 or 4 HD 5870s. It's your money I guess.
October 22, 2009 12:08:57 PM

You can get a better build than that for half of the price...
October 22, 2009 2:15:05 PM

I have to say, I'm with the guys I'd think 5870 is the way to go. Not necessarily tri-5870's though. Unless you are building this purely as a benchmarking tool. Two 295's will get you the highest 3dmark score, and highest over fps, but what is more important once you go over 60fps is minimum fps. The 5870 maintains a higher minimum than does the 295. Which equates to less microstutter(and microstutter drives me bonkers). But lets face it, its gonna be awesome either way:) 

Oh and on the SSD's, I was only saying if money is no object. True, its not a huge performance increase, but neither is an i7 975 over a 920. Personally I stick with good old disk drives. But I'm not a gojillionaire either:) 
October 22, 2009 4:30:16 PM

2 5870's in crossfire mode if u wanna play crysis in 8aa to 10aa
October 22, 2009 4:40:39 PM

This guy doesnt want advice, he wants you to aggree with him and stroke his ego that he is getting the best build out there.

He says that he wants fastest most silent computer money and wants it to last for 4 years.

But then his the choices are contrary to that.

He doenst want trust benchmarks on the 5870's because he knows better.

Honestly the SSD's and the 5870's run a lot cooler and quieter then the parts you have listed and are faster. Plus the cards have direct x 11. Save the money on your water cooling since your not overclocking, spend a little more on the hard drives, get the newer cards and be done with it. Otherwise in less then 2 years your going to be shelling out more money becauce you dont have driect x11 and all the latest games have it.
October 22, 2009 4:48:00 PM

Thx for the advice guys... I see what you mean. But my concern is the hustle free setup of my system with 2x cards leaving more space for air circulation and/or another pci card. I'm defenetly not building this for benchmarking.

I want something of highest quality with good performance and future proof.
And I really like the evga liqiud cooled cards which in double setup will give 3.6gb of freedom with nice options as PhysX and CUDA. And all I need is smooth game play, anything over 70fps with all high at 1900x1200 for couple of years.
I will OC the system to 4.0ghz for game play and in case of encoding ill max the proc out as long as its stable. ( depending on cooling you can go 5-6ghz with extremes ).

And whenever a better cards come out with a nice build in liqiud cooling tanks, With a reasonable performance difference over mine, I'll just replace them.

So, thanks everyone for advices, Now please help me with case and cooling :) 
October 22, 2009 11:18:58 PM

Man you iether dont read at all the post or are ignorant :) .. I'm asking for LIQIUD COOLING for the WHOLE system.. not a heatsink for a proc.
October 23, 2009 8:13:53 AM

I just need 16x/16x and for case as I see it wont fit in zalmas case :( 
October 23, 2009 4:48:45 PM

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ama_aragon/

there ,the best water cooling system you can buy ,idk where to buy it frm though.
and your pretty ignorant yourself for not listening to all of us about getting the 5870 which is clearly better but ill guess youll find out in 2 years when your crying because all the games run on DX11 and your crappy cards cant
October 23, 2009 5:23:08 PM

Biohazard2012 said:
Thanks valsorim and everyone for your advice.

But I think I'm pretty decided on getting evga hydrocopper for mobo and gtx295 x2

So now its about the cooling needed to cool all that stuff... Yes I'm planing to overclock it.

So what will be best case and liquid cooling for it


If your only reason for wanting those gtx295s is that they are liquid cooled, and if you have no price ceiling, may I recommend a custom prebuilt system from digitalstormonline.com? For about an extra $850 they'll liquid cool your CPU and three 5870s.

Though the entire system with everything else you want will be over $6000.
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