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October 21, 2009 9:13:05 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next week.

BUDGET RANGE: $800

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, surfing the internet, word processing, etc..

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor, have a Dell SP2309W (23 inch, 2048x1152, HDMI/DVI)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United States

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel Core i7 or i5, not sure which exactly. Would prefer i7 for hyperthreading, but if it limits me too much elsewhere, then I would go with i5. Open to suggestions for each.

Will also need a wireless networking card, probably an N for better reception and range.

OVERCLOCKING: No

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No, at least for now. Unless better performance could be gained from dual cards, for cheaper.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 2048x1152, but would most likely play games at a lower resolution.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This is my first time building my own computer, I have a little experience working on them, but have really only dealt with putting in a new graphics card or putting in more RAM. I am looking for expandability for the future, as I will improve components down the line (most likely the graphics card and more RAM). I don't need a flashy case, just something that everything will fit in both now and the future, and one that has good cooling. As far as the graphics card, I would be willing to sacrifice some of it, if it would allow me to get a better processor. I am really not sure where to begin, so all help is much appreciated.

Thanks!
October 21, 2009 9:47:37 PM

Your budget is a little low for a crossfire capable Intel build with an OS, but here's a try - comes out to about $925

Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P7P55D LE LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 21, 2009 10:51:37 PM

Thats the wrong Antec 300 case. The 300 illusion is the one with the two front fans already installed. It just went off of a $10 off/free shipping special. :( 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It may not be possible to get down to $800 with a quad core CPU, especially with expandable parts.
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October 21, 2009 11:39:13 PM

Wow! Thanks for the info. I would say that Crossfire/SLi compatibility is not high on my list, so if it will drive up the cost, then I won't try for that. Will it save some money?

Also are the x2 video cards any good? As these do not require Crossfire/SLi, correct? Would an x2 video card fit in this case?



October 21, 2009 11:44:53 PM

You might as well go down to a quality 550W PSU with jbakerlent's build since the motherboard's second PCI-E slot runs at 4x. You will not want to run Crossfire with that motherboard, so there's no use for 750W PSU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $134.94 (Antec 300 + Antec TP550 PSU combo)
October 21, 2009 11:48:37 PM

Here's a non-crossfire PSU and Mobo
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3L LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or a micro-atx one
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

+1 for the Illusion and to shortstuff (pasted wrong board), and yes x2 cards would fit, but they're probably out of your budget.
October 22, 2009 12:23:46 AM

So with the micro-ATX Mobo, the only difference is smaller size, and less PCI slots?

Taking into account the micro-ATX Mobo, and the Corsair 550W PSU, and the other items posted earlier, the price comes out to I believe, $903.91.

What could I cut back on to bring the price down slightly still? Or if I do knock anything down, will I be losing a decent chunk of performance and value?
October 22, 2009 1:20:12 AM

Here is a couple good deals on power supplies:

780 new OCZ modxstream $60 (very good deal) 3 year warranty
http://www.svc.com/ocz780mxs.html

or

700w OCZ gamexstream $40 refurbished (1 year warranty)
http://www.svc.com/ocz700gxssli-b.html

Here is cheaper memory:

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 1600 $86
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB 1600 $90 ($80 after MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here is a good combo deal on a case and harddrive: $100

Cooler Master RC690
WD Black 640GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

You get a better case and more room in your harddrive...F3 isn't worth 140 less gb and $15 more.

I really feel like the 4870 is a better value than the 5770. Your really not going to be using the dx11 effects on the 5770 and there is only one game out that uses it anyways right now (battleforge). The 4870 is $35 less and it beats the 5770 in every game.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658&p=5

4870 $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That should bring you close to $800 or maybe less if I'm not mistaken.
Hope that helps.

O, and are you a student? You can get Windows 7 for $30.
October 22, 2009 7:45:17 PM

The CM Case and the WD Black 640GB looks like a great deal, I will definitely go with that.

Luckily I am a student, and I just ordered my Windows 7 for $30. Being a student actually got me something for once.

I still need a wireless networking card, I was thinking I would get an N, just for better reception and range. Does anyone have any recommendations for N-wireless cards?

So this is what I have so far, anyone else have any recommendations or thoughts?

Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
+
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
From Microsoft, $30 for students.

Wireless-N Network card?
This is my router, if that matters.
LINKSYS WRT160N IEEE 802.3/3u, IEEE 802.11b/g, IEEE802.11n Draft Ultra RangePlus Wireless-N Broadband Router - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also, will I need to buy any additional parts such as cables or thermal paste or anything?
October 22, 2009 7:59:53 PM

If you are not overclocking, the stock cooler should be adequite. Normally the motherboard comes with enough cables.

I would just look at linksys wireless cards. Brands really shouldnt matter but its often easier to get the configuration right if the card is the same brand as the router. Linksys is a bargain brand anyway so you wont save much with any other brand. There are alot of USB wireless cards which you may find much more convenient than installing one internally.
October 22, 2009 10:49:01 PM

I really don't have plans to overclock. So I don't think I will get a CPU fan as of now.

So I won't need any additional cables? Even if the WD Black hard drive says that it is "bare drive"?

Also in terms of the graphics card, if I spent maybe $30 or so more, could I get anything that is significantly better, especially in terms of value?

If I stick with the
ASUS EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is there any advantage of going with ASUS over say Sapphire, HIS, Msi? They are all the same price, but a couple have free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I decided to switch to this CD/DVD Drive, due it being a retail, so it comes with necessary screws and cables.

HP Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA 24X Multiformat DVD Writer - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There is a combo with the Mobo and CPU, and the Case and HD. With all items the total w/shipping comes out to $815.78
October 22, 2009 11:36:52 PM

Motherboards normally come with a couple SATA HDD cables.

Unfortunately it jumps from the 5770 at $160ish to the 5850 at $260ish with nothing in between yet. There are plenty of 5770s available but 5850s are rare. They sell out within hours of arriving at stores so you have to be fast and lucky.

The 5770 is currently the same card with different stickers from each company. Buy based on warranty. I paid a bit more for an XFX 5770 because they have a double lifetime guarantee in the US (if I sell the card the next guy gets the lifetime guarantee also). Most companies give 2 years from date of purchase or 3 years from date of manufacture.

I just got a 5770 myself yesterday. It can max out the games I play on a 22 inch 1380x1050 LCD including AA, but some games I backed the setting off a bit to keep the minimum FPS up. Pushed too close to its limits it gets a bit choppy.
October 23, 2009 5:15:12 PM

The cpu cooler will come with a small tube of thermal goo. Since you are using the stock cooler and not overclocking there is no point in buying high quality thermal goo. If you were to overlclock in the future you would have the option of using the goo that comes with the heatsink or buying some good quality goo.

Arctic Silver 5 is Arctic's good stuff. What you have linked may not be any better than what comes with the heatsink. I'm not expert on the different kinds of thermal goo. Other have different opinions and there are reviews showing which perform better and are easier to use and cleanup.
October 24, 2009 2:57:16 AM

Ohhh okay. Thanks for the help. I get it now lol.
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