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September 7, 2011 9:30:38 AM

Hello, I need 1TB HDD's for the DVR's I import-4&8ch recording. What specs would you recommend? Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA3 7200rpm 64MB Hard Drive (WD10EARS) or is 32MB ok? Is seagate a better product? Speed is obviously a factor when dealing with 200-400 fps recording at the same time as playback. Is there anything I should be looking for specifically? Thanks.

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September 7, 2011 9:38:54 AM

michaelcctv said:
Hello, I need 1TB HDD's for the DVR's I import-4&8ch recording. What specs would you recommend? Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA3 7200rpm 64MB Hard Drive (WD10EARS) or is 32MB ok? Is seagate a better product? Speed is obviously a factor when dealing with 200-400 fps recording at the same time as playback. Is there anything I should be looking for specifically? Thanks.



The "green" series of hard drives are aimed at lower power useage, and as such are often a little slower than other HDD's

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September 7, 2011 9:44:12 AM

You might want to check the specifications for the WD10EARS because as I remember, it is a 5400rpm drive, not 7200rpm.
Western Digital drives are very reliable, I've had heaps over the years (and continue to only buy WD =D) and none have failed.
But most people recommend the Samsung Spinpoint F3 103SJ which is a cheap but reliable and fast HDD. So you might want to take a look at that if it is offered.
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September 7, 2011 9:20:34 PM

michaelcctv said:
Hello, I need 1TB HDD's for the DVR's I import-4&8ch recording. What specs would you recommend? Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA3 7200rpm 64MB Hard Drive (WD10EARS) or is 32MB ok? Is seagate a better product? Speed is obviously a factor when dealing with 200-400 fps recording at the same time as playback. Is there anything I should be looking for specifically? Thanks.



Check with the DVR manufacturer. They often, if not always, are designed to be used a certain way, from components on the boards to the speed of the HDD. If you use a HDD that's not compatible the DVR's are going to run into problems.
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September 7, 2011 9:35:27 PM

You could check this drive out ;Western Digital Caviar Black WDBAAZ0020HNC-NRSN 2TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could also try two of these in a raid set up ; Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Only $99 ea!

I know these are not the 1 tb you are looking for but they are fast ; Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 8, 2011 8:39:18 AM

ulysses35 said:
The "green" series of hard drives are aimed at lower power useage, and as such are often a little slower than other HDD's

Thanks for your reply. I have also been offered Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 [HDDSE2103] for the same price, but they are 32MB cache not 64MB as with the WD. Which would you go for? :non: 
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September 8, 2011 8:40:20 AM

AMD X6850 said:
You might want to check the specifications for the WD10EARS because as I remember, it is a 5400rpm drive, not 7200rpm.
Western Digital drives are very reliable, I've had heaps over the years (and continue to only buy WD =D) and none have failed.
But most people recommend the Samsung Spinpoint F3 103SJ which is a cheap but reliable and fast HDD. So you might want to take a look at that if it is offered.


Thanks for your reply. I have also been offered Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 [HDDSE2103] for the same price, but they are 32MB cache not 64MB as with the WD. Which would you go for? :non: 
You were right they were advertised as 7200 RPM but the specs are 5400RPM, thanks for pointing it out, I thought I checked it on a spec sheet. Thanks again.
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September 8, 2011 8:41:01 AM

JerRevo said:
Check with the DVR manufacturer. They often, if not always, are designed to be used a certain way, from components on the boards to the speed of the HDD. If you use a HDD that's not compatible the DVR's are going to run into problems.

Thanks for your reply. I have also been offered Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 [HDDSE2103] for the same price, but they are 32MB cache not 64MB as with the WD. Which would you go for? :non: 
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September 8, 2011 8:55:41 AM

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You could check this drive out ;Western Digital Caviar Black WDBAAZ0020HNC-NRSN 2TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could also try two of these in a raid set up ; Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Only $99 ea!

I know these are not the 1 tb you are looking for but they are fast ; Western Digital VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Thanks for your reply. I have also been offered Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 [HDDSE2103] for the same price, but they are 32MB cache not 64MB as with the WD. Which would you go for? :non: 
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September 8, 2011 6:20:43 PM

michaelcctv said:
Thanks for your reply. I have also been offered Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 [HDDSE2103] for the same price, but they are 32MB cache not 64MB as with the WD. Which would you go for? :non: 


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If you have some time to kill I would get 1 of each. Put some cameras on the DVR's and let them run on high settings for a few days.
We use Seagate and Hitachi drives. I do not know if the DVR will react violently with the different cache, I don't suspect it will matter but those engineers are crazy lol.

I have not had any personal experience with 64MB cache drives from WD but I've always had a good experience with WD in PC's.

Also you need to take into consideration returns. How easy is will it be to return defective Seagate/Western Digital drives?

When we return our Seagate's, we have to call and make special lists; it takes too long to return them via the website 5 at a time when you have 40 or more. I would look into the WD return process, if they're same price and they work in the DVR, the less headache the better I say!
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September 9, 2011 2:13:57 AM

JerRevo said:
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If you have some time to kill I would get 1 of each. Put some cameras on the DVR's and let them run on high settings for a few days.
We use Seagate and Hitachi drives. I do not know if the DVR will react violently with the different cache, I don't suspect it will matter but those engineers are crazy lol.

I have not had any personal experience with 64MB cache drives from WD but I've always had a good experience with WD in PC's.

Also you need to take into consideration returns. How easy is will it be to return defective Seagate/Western Digital drives?

When we return our Seagate's, we have to call and make special lists; it takes too long to return them via the website 5 at a time when you have 40 or more. I would look into the WD return process, if they're same price and they work in the DVR, the less headache the better I say!


Yea I think i will go with the seagate. It probably has a better name so I can't lose. The return is only to the supplier, !5min drive so its not a big deal. Thanks.
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November 16, 2011 11:56:36 AM

Yea I think i will go with the
seagate. It probably has a better
name so I can't lose. The return is
only to the supplier, !5min drive so
its not a big deal. Thanks.
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I've owned and operated a music
studio since 1979, and I have not
found Seagate to be a reliable
product at all.
.
Even if you consider their odd
"warranty period" (the 1-2-3 year or
whatever starts they day the drive
is MANUFACTURED, NOT the day you buy
it!), over the years they have had a
bit of other quality control
problems that swore me off of them
forever. Google "seagate stiction"
as an example.
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[OLDE PHARTE WAR STORY COMING..].
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My FINAL straw was a 300MB drive
(yes back a year before dirt, when
the platters were still made of
stone with that bird inside pecking
the data). I had purchased it in
October in the 80's, and it went bad
in September the following year.
.
The drive had a "one year warranty," and I
still had my receipt, so I called to
get an RMA number, and the techie
told me, "The date code shows
August, your unit is out of
warranty, so you'll have to buy a
new unit."
.
"But I have my receipt, it shows I
bought it in October, this is
September!"
.
"Well, our drives have a date code
on them, and the warranty starts the
day it's made in the factory."
.
"Huh? Even if it sat in your
warehouse for a month, then a month
at the store? I lost those two
months?"
.
"I'm sorry sir, you'll have to buy a
new unit."
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Well, I DID buy a new one, a Western
Digital and haven't looked back.
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OLDE PHARTE WAR STORY MODE OFF
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If you're looking for something to
do audio/video, here's my setup,
maybe some of it will look
interesting to you:
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This is my "ultimate" toybox for
audio (my living) and video (my
toys).
.
I highly recommend you look at the
Velociraptor specs, and maybe just
buy one of the smaller ones (make
sure it has the HLHX, which
designated the 10K RPM + 32MB
cache).
.
If you want to know how to format a
2TB into FAT32, just drop me a note,
it's an easy Microsoft fix.
.
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[MISSION STATEMENT].
.
I wanted to make this system
competent for both audio and video,
plus compatible to some old keyboard
equipment that my clients use that
use "new" and "old" floppy disks.
Sort of a "Swiss Army Knife" of PC's
for my work and play..
.
.
The starting "design" was due to
Adobe's "minimum requirements," then
I just HAD to add a few "extras."
.
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[BWAY2 AV COMPUTER].
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[THE BASICS].
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- Mobo: ASUS M5A99X EVO.
- CPU: AMD FX8120 8 Core 3.1Ghz CPU.
- GPU: eVGA GTX580 SC (PCIEX16).
- RAM: Corsair Vengeance PC3-16000
4x4 GB (2000 MHz).
- MONITORS: Samsung SyncMaster 2333 x 2.
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NOTE: Still available on Mobo -
PCIEX16 x2, PCIEX x2, PCI x1
.
[FLOPPY and CARD RW].
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- FLOPPY: A:\ USB2.0 5.25" SD.
- FLOPPY: B:\ USB2.0 3.5" DD.
.
NOTE: Unit is a single "dual floppy"
and fits in one 5.25" port on the
front of the case, below the R/W
card read/writer, so I can still be
compatible with some old synth stuff
that uses floppies!
.
- CARD: R:\ SM/xD.
- CARD: S:\ SD/all - MMC/all.
- CARD: T:\ microSD (cellphone).
- CARD: U:\ CF/MicroDrive.
- CARD: V:\ Sony MS/MS Duo.
- CARD: USB2.0 x1.
.
NOTE: Drives R: through V: run off
of a single USB header on the Mobo,
the other half of the header
connects the USB2.0 port.
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[HDD/SSD/OPTICAL].
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- HDD: C:\ SATA3 [NTFS] WD Veloc.
600GB 10K RPM 32MB (Win7Pro/64, MS
Office, various programs).
- HDD: D:\ SATA3 [FAT32] WD Veloc.
300Gb 10K RPM 32MB (Adobe Premiere
Pro large unfinished projects).
- HDD: E:\ SATA3 [FAT32] WD Black
2TB 7.2K RPM 32MB (Archive and
downloads).
.
- SDD: J:\ SATA2 OCZ Torqz2 32GB
(Adobe Production Premium CS5.5 plus
Dreamweaver and Fireworks).
- SDD: K:\ SATA3 OCZ Vertex3 64GB
(Adobe Premiere Pro and After
Effects rendering).
.
- Optical: F:\ SATA3 ASUS Bluray BE.
- Optical: G:\ SATA2 Sony Optiarc
Bluray BE.
- Optical: H:\ SATA2 HP Lightscribe
DVD RW.
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[MISC].
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-PSU: Antec Quattro 1KW.
-Case: CoolerMaster HAF22.
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[I/O INTERNAL].
USB2.0 x4, USB3.0 x2, Firewire 6
wire x1, RS-232 COM1 x1, 6 fans.
.
NOTE: I have the USB3.0 x2 mounted
inside the case, where I have two
very fast USB3.0 8GB flash drives
installed for Microsoft SpeedBoost.
.
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[I/O BACK CONSOLE].
USB2.0 x8, USB3.0 x2, Firewire 6
wire x1, S/PDIF, PS/2 combo, Gigabit
LAN RJ45, Power External-SATA x1,
External SATA x1.
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[AUDIO ON CONSOLE 7.1].
[RealTek ALC892 7.1 "hi-def" audio].
-Light Blue (Line IN L/R).
-Lime (Front Speakers L/R).
-Pink (Mic L/R).
-Orange (Center Speaker/Sub Woofer).
-Black (Rear Speakers L/R).
-Gray (Side Speakers L/R).
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[I/O CASE FRONT/TOP].
-FRONT: USB2.0 x2, ESATA x1,
Headphone, Microphone.
-TOP: Power, Reset, Front Case Fan
LED I/O.
.
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If anybody's interested, I'll be
glad to take a few pics of the
system. Right now, I'm at that
"using a zillion plastic ties" to
get everything "cleaned up."
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All my best,
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Rick
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