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[Solved] 5870 vs 4890 crossfire

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I gonna upgrade as soon as i figure wich to buy.When i upgrade ill also be upgrading my cpu ,a phenom X3 720 to core i5.My phenom's bottleneking too abd :D

I'd suggest the HD 5870.

 

DX11.
Lower power requirements.
Similar performance.
Less noise.
No worries about Crossfire scaling issues.
Easier on the system as a whole.
Less components to go bad.
Future driver performance increments.

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Today, the 4890cf will outperform the 5870 in dx10, but not by a large margin. In time the 5870 will grow in its abilities, if the 4xxx driver arch is to be trusted as any sort of precedent. I think the 5870 would be a safer investment in the long term, especially with a CF option open as the prices drop.

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Reply to JofaMang

the best reason i want to upgrade is because i think ill go crazy listening to that thing again.Its like a tree blower XD.And i got an response in 2 min. lol

Reply to fjc1998
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I'd suggest the HD 5870.

 

DX11.
Lower power requirements.
Similar performance.
Less noise.
No worries about Crossfire scaling issues.
Easier on the system as a whole.
Less components to go bad.
Future driver performance increments.


Message edited by TheViper on 11-02-2009 at 06:30:00 AM
Reply to TheViper

omg response in 2sec lol i dont no im not that much against crossfire as long as theres not much noise.Are there any sug. for that?

Reply to fjc1998

Open Catalyst Control Centre. Under ATI Overdrive Screen:

Unlock overdrive settings.
Enable ATI Overdrive.
Change fan speeds as needed to accommodate your card temp/fan noise requirement.

Running cool and quiet under load? Got back to CCC and stark overclocking :D

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Reply to JofaMang

5870 all day, it'll be quieter and almost as powerful... not saying the 4890's in x fire are bad, but i think it's more logical to get the 5870.

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Reply to jonpaul37

+1 future drivers will increase performance up to 30%


Message edited by xaira on 11-02-2009 at 06:09:39 PM
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Reply to xaira

wow i guess i will be getting a 5870 lol. i was just wondering how does 5770 crossfire compare against 4890 crossfire.....

Reply to fjc1998

Performance wise the HD 4890's will win over the HD 5770's. But you'll miss DX11 and eat up a lot more power.

Reply to TheViper

5970 FTW!!! The engineering versions are 13.5" long. Hopefully they can knock it down to 12" or less when the final version comes out, otherwise everyone will be forced to buy a new case.

Reply to masterasia

Ok... I've been down this road. I had a 4870 and bought a second for Crossfire. This was a few weeks back. The top card got SO hot it overheated and crashed. It was hitting 102C. The bottom card only 80C. The top fan was running 100%, so you want to listen to fans running. Oh boy! I ended up selling both cards, taking a bit of a hit and buying a 5870. Let me tell you the 5870 is pretty quiet even at load. It idles in the low 40C and I don't think its gone over 72-73C in gaming yet.

PS... your Phenom isn't bottlenecking crap, just stick with it. Get the new cards and you will see a difference.

Reply to jay2tall

My Phenom's not bottlenecking?I thought it was since i get 30fps average in Crysis Warhead but a website said it had over 40 fps average (1920 X 1200 4x aa)

Reply to fjc1998

holy crap i found pictures of 5970 (ty masterasia) !!!!! i bet it'll cost $800 xD and what happen ed to 5870 x2? did they forget to release it o.0

Reply to fjc1998

fjc1998 wrote :

My Phenom's not bottlenecking?I thought it was since i get 30fps average in Crysis Warhead but a website said it had over 40 fps average (1920 X 1200 4x aa)


It might be but the review probably had a monster CPU oveclocked to get that 40 fps average. But you said you'll get an i5 soon too.

 
fjc1998 wrote :

holy crap i found pictures of 5970 (ty masterasia) !!!!! i bet it'll cost $800 xD and what happen ed to 5870 x2? did they forget to release it o.0


Those pictures are engineering samples and do not reflect what the final product will look like. It will get a PCB and cooler shrink. The name seems to be a point of confusion right now. Some are calling it the HD 5970 while others are calling it the HD 5870x2.


Message edited by TheViper on 11-04-2009 at 04:48:26 AM
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fjc1998 wrote :

My Phenom's not bottlenecking?I thought it was since i get 30fps average in Crysis Warhead but a website said it had over 40 fps average (1920 X 1200 4x aa)


Crysis is a BAD benchmark when comparing systems. You can have a HUGE difference in systems and only gain like 2 FPS. Besides, I am not going to get into the whole bottlenecking debate in this thread. Just remember, every PC has bottlenecks, they are EVERYWHERE. Your CPU waits on the L1 cache, which waits on the L2, then L3, Then RAM, then Hard Drive. You just try to reduce the bottlenecks a little. An OCed i7 is going to outperform the same setup on a Phenom X3 720. However, if you have an i7 with a 4870 and a Phenom x3 720 with a 5870... Guess who wins?

Reply to jay2tall

uhhhhh........x3? SO I SHOULD STICK WITH MY PHENOM??!!

Reply to fjc1998

The Phenom II x3 are excellent processors, that outside of synthetic benchmarks, hold up very well in the CPU/GPU balancing act.

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Reply to JofaMang

would a corsair 750tx be enough for a 5870 and a corsair hydro h50 (Phenom x3 )

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Message edited by fjc1998 on 11-05-2009 at 06:48:15 AM
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fjc1998 wrote :

would a corsair 750tx be enough for a 5870 and a corsair hydro h50 (Phenom x3 )


MORE than enough. A solid 550 or 600w would do the trick.

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Reply to jay2tall

I have a Phenom X3 720, as well as (2) 4890s in crossfire. I have mine unlocked to 4 cores and clocked up to 3.5 Ghz and it doesn't bottleneck my cards, even when they're overclocked too.

Reply to gryphyn

you guys have any estimates on when they will release the 5970/5870x2?

Reply to fjc1998

fjc1998 wrote :

you guys have any estimates on when they will release the 5970/5870x2?


Yeah, GTX300 launch week.

Reply to TheViper

i cant find any retailers currently selling HD 5870s T.T

Reply to fjc1998

TheViper wrote :

January it seems.


ok and do know any retailers that currently has 5870s in stock?

Reply to fjc1998

fjc1998 wrote :

ok and do know any retailers that currently has 5870s in stock?


Nope. And none of them should at the moment. I know of a few instances where retailers bought a few cards from other retailers just to fill orders.

 

Demand is simply higher than ATi and TSCM anticipated and yields were below expectations.

 

However, nVidia fans pointing out the low yields and availability for HD 5000 series cards might want to consider how things look for nVidia given that TSCM will also provide them with their 40 nm chips.

 

Worse for nVidia is that ATi simply buys chips individually as they are produced but nVidia buys a whole wafer at a time. Meaning every piece ATi buys works while every piece nVidia buys might only have 10% working chips.


Message edited by TheViper on 11-06-2009 at 05:48:18 AM
Reply to TheViper

well i guess im postponing my upgrade =(

Reply to fjc1998

hey I just hooked up a 4890 to a old 32 bit Pentium 4 board. I should've checked compatibilty first because I don't have that motherboard anymore. I wrote a complete description of the situation on anouther thread if anyone would like to comment.

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terribleteee wrote :

hey I just hooked up a 4890 to a old 32 bit Pentium 4 board. I should've checked compatibilty first because I don't have that motherboard anymore. I wrote a complete description of the situation on anouther thread if anyone would like to comment.


i dont get you and as long as you have a motherboard with a pci express x16 or somthin like that it should work

Reply to fjc1998

With an old P4 CPU, he probably had an AGP based motherboard.

Reply to TheViper

would that card screw things up I feel like waving my hands in the air running around screaming I'm new I don't know what to do. I had a hd4650 in it and it was running great

Reply to terribleteee

I can't find any liturature on the board and I can't get tech support from gateway because its to old

Reply to terribleteee

terribleteee wrote :

would that card screw things up I feel like waving my hands in the air running around screaming I'm new I don't know what to do. I had a hd4650 in it and it was running great


well the simples way is to change mobos . other than that i think theres no other way

Reply to fjc1998

I'm thinking the same thing I'm gonna have to troubleshoot all the components. I've got a 790FX-GD70 Sitting on the shelf waiting for the AMD 965 to come in the mail. I was hoping to use the old board for business purposes. Looks like I screwed myself trying to play with new toys... At least P4 boards are cheap

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