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January 9, 2010 9:21:55 PM

So I been in the process of picking a computer from either Hp or dell.To be honest I like the quality of dell seems like the outside is pretty solid as to were the Hp looks kind of cheap.So I have the two following builds I will use this for editing my family pics(light light editing)storing the music photos etc etc etc.Heavy webbrowsing and watching videos,I would like something the last me awhile because My needs might change from here untill next year..

HP
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
4GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive

$749.99


Dell
PROCESSORS Intel® Core™ i5-650 processor(4MB Cache, 3.20GHz)
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 500GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
VIDEO CARD nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB DDR3
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
$699.99 or go to the i5 750 for $50.00 more to make it $749.99


Thank you for your help this has taken me 7 days to brainstorm and I must order by tommorow thanks.

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January 9, 2010 9:23:22 PM

Also I know many people might say the graphic card on the hp is better but do I need that much also I plan on getting a blu ray player on the side as a standalone.Thanks guys
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January 9, 2010 9:24:35 PM

they both look good to me :bounce: 
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January 9, 2010 9:26:23 PM

bigwater said:
they both look good to me :bounce: 



lol I know thats whats making it so hard ...
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January 9, 2010 9:28:26 PM

the ati graphics is a better option imo
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January 9, 2010 9:30:12 PM

For what I do is there a big advantage on it?
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January 9, 2010 9:32:16 PM

if you use photoshop to edit yes because it will utilize the graphics card as well
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January 9, 2010 9:37:54 PM

Ok so lets do this what if I go $699.99 add the nVidia GeForce GTS240 1024MB GDDR3 for $130.00 now Im at $830.00 .However now Im $80.00 over the Hp build is it worth the $80.00 or id it the same quality card as the radion ?
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January 9, 2010 9:38:02 PM

The HP is better ALL THE WAY, since the GPU is better and the CPU is better. If you add in the i5 750, I would still go witht he HP since the i5 750 wont do much for your needs and the extra 140GB is always nice as well as the better GPU.
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January 9, 2010 9:42:19 PM

AMW1011 said:
The HP is better ALL THE WAY, since the GPU is better and the CPU is better. If you add in the i5 750, I would still go witht he HP since the i5 750 wont do much for your needs and the extra 140GB is always nice as well as the better GPU.



Thank you for the suggestion I will take it under advisement what if I upgrade the card?
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January 9, 2010 9:43:09 PM

RnMsonic said:
Ok so lets do this what if I go $699.99 add the nVidia GeForce GTS240 1024MB GDDR3 for $130.00 now Im at $830.00 .However now Im $80.00 over the Hp build is it worth the $80.00 or id it the same quality card as the radion ?


the GTS240 is better, but since you don't game it is probably not worth it. I guess that is up to you.

Don't be afraid to call them up and try and haggle, tell them HP will give you the 640GB for free.
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January 9, 2010 9:49:22 PM

AMW1011 said:
the GTS240 is better, but since you don't game it is probably not worth it. I guess that is up to you.

Don't be afraid to call them up and try and haggle, tell them HP will give you the 640GB for free.


I would like to play cod mw2 and if I can do it with that card perfect then to me it would be worth the $80.00 but only If Im going to be able to do the cod as if I played cod on my xbox lol.Thanks guys so much for all your help I really do appreciate it lets keep discussing I need to order by tommorow.
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January 9, 2010 10:05:29 PM

At $130, the upgrade to gt240 is a terrible deal when you can find one at r/etaliers for less than $100. You should check if upgrading the video card voids the warranty. If not, then I'd get the HP and see if the g310 suits you and upgrade later if you need to. You won't have any problems upgrading regarding power requirements as the gt240 doesn't require an additional power connector.
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January 9, 2010 10:08:42 PM

How good is this card?
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5
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January 9, 2010 10:11:38 PM

HP
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
4GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive

$749.99


Dell
PROCESSORS Intel® Core™ i5-650 processor(4MB Cache, 3.20GHz)
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 500GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
VIDEO CARD nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB DDR3
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
$699.99 or go to the i5 750 for $50.00 more to make it $749.99


Thank you for your help this has taken me 7 days to brainstorm and I must order by tommorow thanks.[/quotemsg]
you build you self one and it is very easy to build
this is what i think you should get
Dell
PROCESSORS Intel® Core™ i5-650 processor(4MB Cache, 3.20GHz)
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 500GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
VIDEO CARD Radeon ati hd 4860 instead but the GeFore doesn't match with dell
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
$699.99 or go to the i5 750 for $50.00 more to make it $749.99
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January 9, 2010 10:12:22 PM

RnMsonic said:
How good is this card?
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5

it's a very good card it is the equivalent in performance to a 4870
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January 9, 2010 10:13:03 PM

The 5770 is quite good, but definitely overkill unless you play games.
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January 9, 2010 10:14:05 PM

The 5770 is a fantastic card, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're gaming. Additionally, the 5770 will require a 6-pin power connection from the power supply. Usually OEM's provide just enough power to run the system they're selling as to reduce costs and limit upgradability. I wouldn't count on being able to upgrade to a 5770 with an OEM system that doesn't already have a mid-range graphics card installed.
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January 9, 2010 10:16:23 PM

RnMsonic said:
How good is this card?
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5



Much better than your other choices.
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January 9, 2010 10:19:37 PM

So after talking to the sales reps the Dell rep offerd the nVidia GeForce GTS240 bringing the dell system to $829.99.I called Hp and he offered to step up the process card to 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4850 to make it $839.99 But now I think Im going more then I wanted but I guess there trying to get a customer.
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January 9, 2010 10:20:54 PM

THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE HELPING!!!feel free to give me any recomendations.
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January 9, 2010 10:34:11 PM

RnMsonic said:
So I been in the process of picking a computer from either Hp or dell.To be honest I like the quality of dell seems like the outside is pretty solid as to were the Hp looks kind of cheap.So I have the two following builds I will use this for editing my family pics(light light editing)storing the music photos etc etc etc.Heavy webbrowsing and watching videos,I would like something the last me awhile because My needs might change from here untill next year..

HP
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
4GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive

$749.99


Dell
PROCESSORS Intel® Core™ i5-650 processor(4MB Cache, 3.20GHz)
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 500GB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
VIDEO CARD nVIDIA GeForce G310 512MB DDR3
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
$699.99 or go to the i5 750 for $50.00 more to make it $749.99


Thank you for your help this has taken me 7 days to brainstorm and I must order by tommorow thanks.


since it is for familly stuff and not for professional, the speed difference won't really matter for you. The HP system has better HDD and video card. Heavy web browsing is not that complicated for a computer, as the data feed is limited by your connection and there is nothing there to saturate a computer. Video and picture need storage, and the bigger HDD will come to play here. The video card will help to accelerate the video playback decoding, freeing the CPU for other task.

The HP has 2 memory stick, the dell has 4. if you want to upgrade memory, it will be easier if the HP has 2 slot free, adding 2 other 2Gb stick will bring the total to 8. On the dell, you'll need to scrap all 4 of them and buy 4 new module.

That being said, I would get the HP as it is there and use your money for someting more usefull than a faster video card...
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January 9, 2010 10:37:10 PM

Oops. On my first post, I meant to say I'd get the dell (not hp) and see if the g310 is sufficient. So after calling the reps, dell is giving you the gt240 for +$130 and hp is giving you the 4850 for +$90 from the prices in your first post. The 4850 is a much better deal as its cheaper and much more powerful than the gt240 but then again, you'd only make the best use of the 4850 if you're gaming. Still, I'd see if its possible to upgrade the graphics card on your own without voiding the warranty and upgrade later if you need.
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January 9, 2010 10:52:23 PM

RnMsonic said:
So after talking to the sales reps the Dell rep offerd the nVidia GeForce GTS240 bringing the dell system to $829.99.I called Hp and he offered to step up the process card to 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4850 to make it $839.99 But now I think Im going more then I wanted but I guess there trying to get a customer.


Assuming the Dell system is using the i5 650 and not the o5 750 for $50 more then the HP is the far better deal.

You could also try iBuyPower:

http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=4...

The 4770 is slightly slower than the 4850 and the Athlon II X4 is a bit slower than the Phenom II 940, but they come at a much better price and iBuyPower is having a special with AMD systems where you can get free watercooling for the CPU. It is also $130-$140 less for very similar performance.

Just a thought
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January 9, 2010 11:07:03 PM

So Im going with this option then

HP
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
4GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 500GB
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive

$749.99

Just because we got it in my head I Would like to play Cod 4 mw2 on it or even the upcoming battle field.Im thinking the 4850 would be a good option for the upgrade also my friend is saying that he doesnt understand why the hp would let me upgrade the card to the 4850 because the power supply included is not recomended.Ohh yeah I asked about changing the graphics card and he said any changes void the warranty.
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January 9, 2010 11:10:30 PM

Last questions guys I promise but

1.AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s] is it worth the upgrade to
AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 945 quad-core processor [3.0GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s] for $50.00


2.Can anybody tell me how much of a diffrence I will see playing mw2 on a 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 vs 4850? thanks
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January 9, 2010 11:21:15 PM

I wouldn't worry about upgrading to the 945 unless you're doing video encoding. You'll see some extra fps in games, but that's not your priority. Catering to MW2 could be a little misleading because it uses a really efficient engine so its hardware requirements are a bit lower than other new games. You should see at least double the frame rates with the 4850 vs 4650. Plus if you decide to play other games, you'd be better suited to do so with a 4850.
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January 10, 2010 1:52:12 AM

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor
[2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
Memory 4GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4850 [2 DVI, HDMI and VGA
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Secondary optical drive Blu-ray ROM (player)

=$939.99

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January 10, 2010 2:10:32 AM

I hope this system last 4-5 years seeing is how Im picking up Hp 4 year warranty Im assuming it should.lol Thanks guys
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