What does the (OC) mean on DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066

[vexun11]

I am about to order some parts for a new build and I saw a really good deal on some ddr3 memory

http://www.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingItem.aspx?ItemList=N82E16820231306

and a good motherboard to go with it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131631

and of course the cpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Would all that work out? the main reason im curious is because on the motherboard it has ddr3 2000(O.C) on it which makes me wonder if it is saying it will only run 2000 with 1600 overclocked to 2000, does that mean I can not run ddr3 2000?

Thanks

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

They are saying that to reach the specified speed of MB Of 2000 you will have to set the speed manually in bios. The default setting is 1333.

However, You will not see any increase in performance using Ram faster then 1333 or at most 1600. Memory is not the choke-point in computing anymore Hard drives are. You would be better off looking for some ram in the 1333-1600 range with low CAS numbers, save some money and get a good SSD. Crucial just released their new Sata III drives.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148348 SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303 RAM

Check out Tom's Spring SSD comparison.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-s-ssd-hdd,2603.html

 

[Maziar]

+1^
By OC,it means you have to set the timings,speed and other memory setting manually in BIOS

 

[vexun11]

Great feedback you 2 thanks a ton!

Do you think I should just get some ddr 1600 instead of that 2000 and save 90$ and upgrade something else?

What do you think of that motherboard and cpu? I have been saving up for awhile now for a new build and I want to make sure I do it right.

 

[Maziar]

Yes go for DDR3 1600 instead and save some bucks,you can even go with DDR3 1333 and even save more(you will get lower timings too)
For CPU and Motherboard,those are good choices

 

[vexun11]

Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?

 

[welshmousepk]

Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?

last i heard the phenom II x6's were going on sale on the 26th of this month. i havn;t heard of any delays so i believe this is still accurate. i wouldnt bank on being able to get hold of them straight away though. i plan on getting one myself, but not for a couple months.

 

[Maziar]

Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?

Performance wise you won't see a difference in real time apps/games,i recommended 1333MHz because i thought they are quite cheaper,but if the price is difference is $10-$20 then stick with 1600

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

If you want a head snapping fast PC get an SSD hard drive. The $125+ extra that the Phenom 6x costs over the 965 4x won't get you any were near the performance gain that a "good" SSD will. So between the savings in Ram and Processer you are most of the way there on an SSD.

You don't need a large capacity one, but usually the larger ones are faster then their little brothers. So, look for the largest one you can afford (min. 60 gb). You want to use it as a boot-up drive for your operating sys., applications and games that you use and play regularly. Use a regular large cap. disc hard-drive to store your pics, video, etc. The mother-board you are contemplating has the latest Sata III 6 gb interface and the Crucial SSD I mentioned before is the only SSD to sport this interface so far. It has a few start-up bugs but looks very good all the same and Crucial is promising to take care of them with a firmware up-date. The latest Intell drives are good but expensive. Otherwise stick with drives with the "Indilinx" controller as in that link I gave you earlier.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-s-ssd-hdd,2603.html

Read Tom's info posts in the Storage/hard-drive forum.

 

[Geoube]

does someone have an easy explanation/guide on how to OC my timings to get my memory to be recognized? (1600 from a 1333 board) just want to learn how it's done for the future.

 

[Maziar]

Check your motherboard's manual to find the section in the BIOS which allows you to configure the RAM.
Then when you go there you can adjust the memory timings,voltages and speed manually

 

[Geoube]

thanks. figured it was that, but it was so simple you can never find it online

 

[vexun11]

Ok so I was planning on only spending like 400$ on the new system I am building but I just barely got my tax returns in so I wanna add some more money towards my build, mabey another 200$ so with 600$ would you change anything? or stick with the 6 core and ddr3 and add somethen else, would a ssd drive improve anything else other then loading times? perhaps im games?

 

[vexun11]

Ok what do you think about this, I have my cart ready on newegg, here are the items I want, let me know if I should change anything.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.376848

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139132

Total : $565.96

 

[vexun11]

Would I get better video performance if I got this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223

I do plan on getting a second video card and with that motherboard it is setup so the crossfire x2 would be 16x/16x because it supports quad where as the motherboard I have listed above only has 2x which would be 8x/8x

 

[Maziar]

Dual 8x and Dual 16x doesn't have a noticeable difference(unless in very high resolutions with AA/AF),you can go for a HD 5770,its a great card

 

[vexun11]

go for a 5770 to go with my 5830?

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

The biggest problem with SSDs and gaming is waiting for everybody else to load their maps. LOL

That Kingston 64gb SSD uses a JMicron 618 Controller which still hasn't improved enough over their first generation 602 controller which had stuttering problems and no "TRIM" support. The 618 has "TRIM" support but is still a bit slow in other respects compared with other SSDs. Compared to a disc drive the Kingston is a winner. With SSDs it's the controller that's important to watch. Try to find an SSd wth An "Indilinx" controller. OCZ and Patriot come to mind.

Here's a suggestion, though it is a little more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227461

BTW you need Win 7 for "TRIM" to run automatically. You can do "TRIM" manually with XP and Vista. Read the forums there's lots to learn.

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

Your 5830 is fine. It's better then the 5770. I don't think Maziar saw it in your original system.

 

[Maziar]

oops sorry,i didn't see the 5830 in your sig,thanks for clarifying
Yes stick with your 5830,and if you wanted to use CF,you will be fine with both dual 8x and dual 16x(as i said the difference isn't much between them)

 

[vexun11]

Awesome thanks, quick question. I have been looking at some i7's and i7 motherboards, would it be smarter to get a i7 and mobo and ram instead of the phenom 965 ram and mobo and ssd ? It looked like I could get a i7 system for around 500-600$ from some of the prices I saw.

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

I'm not familiar enough with Intel based systems having used AMD systems since getting into building computers several years back. I will say that from what I have read lately, you will have to pay %? more to get the same performance from Intel gear. Yes, apparently Intel is King of the Hill, but you gonna pay big for that performance.

I'm kinda a tight-wad when it comes to PC gear. AMD has won the performance/cost battle for any use I'm going to put my PC through. If you are going to be running some very processor intense software go for Intel. AMD will cost you less for anything I think you are going to do on your PC.

I repeat, HARD-DRIVES ARE THE CHOKE-POINT in today's PC world. It dosen't matter if you go Intel or AMD you will get your biggest performance boost from a good SSD. Even though SSDs are more expensive compared to a disc drive, they will deliver the cheapest performance boost you can buy. It's for loading operating systems, applications and games that You are likely to want FAST. Not storage.You don't need the best SSD just a smaller 60 gb good one. And you can do it for under $200

 

[Maziar]

Awesome thanks, quick question. I have been looking at some i7's and i7 motherboards, would it be smarter to get a i7 and mobo and ram instead of the phenom 965 ram and mobo and ssd ? It looked like I could get a i7 system for around 500-600$ from some of the prices I saw.

Well getting an i7 will give you a overall better performance in games/CPU-intensive apps but getting SSD will give you less loader times,faster boots.
But performance wise i7 would be a better choice

 

[Ona Island Ina Sea]

Take 2 equal systems performance wise. (most gaming systems)

One Intel, the other AMD.

The Intel system is going to cost you more.

 

[vexun11]

What would be the best upgrade in terms of future proof? I have been drooling over this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.369317

Also I am skeptical to buy a SSD because I have read a lot of posts with people having a lot of issues with ssd's so I am paranoid to purchase one because I dont want a headache trying to get it to work, what I want is a system that will be decent for the next few years, something I will be able to run all the new games with, that motherboard has 3 pci-e slots so mabey I could add a 5770 to my 5830?

let me know what you think.