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What does the (OC) mean on DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066

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April 18, 2010 5:23:51 AM

I am about to order some parts for a new build and I saw a really good deal on some ddr3 memory

http://www.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingItem.aspx?ItemLi...

and a good motherboard to go with it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and of course the cpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Would all that work out? the main reason im curious is because on the motherboard it has ddr3 2000(O.C) on it which makes me wonder if it is saying it will only run 2000 with 1600 overclocked to 2000, does that mean I can not run ddr3 2000?

Thanks


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April 18, 2010 6:35:33 AM

They are saying that to reach the specified speed of MB Of 2000 you will have to set the speed manually in bios. The default setting is 1333.

However, You will not see any increase in performance using Ram faster then 1333 or at most 1600. Memory is not the choke-point in computing anymore Hard drives are. You would be better off looking for some ram in the 1333-1600 range with low CAS numbers, save some money and get a good SSD. Crucial just released their new Sata III drives.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... RAM

Check out Tom's Spring SSD comparison.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-s-ssd-hdd,2603....

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April 18, 2010 7:49:10 AM

+1^
By OC,it means you have to set the timings,speed and other memory setting manually in BIOS
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April 18, 2010 9:28:55 AM

Great feedback you 2 thanks a ton!

Do you think I should just get some ddr 1600 instead of that 2000 and save 90$ and upgrade something else?

What do you think of that motherboard and cpu? I have been saving up for awhile now for a new build and I want to make sure I do it right.
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April 18, 2010 9:42:19 AM

Yes go for DDR3 1600 instead and save some bucks,you can even go with DDR3 1333 and even save more(you will get lower timings too)
For CPU and Motherboard,those are good choices
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April 18, 2010 9:44:25 AM

Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?
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April 18, 2010 9:56:26 AM

vexun11 said:
Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?


last i heard the phenom II x6's were going on sale on the 26th of this month. i havn;t heard of any delays so i believe this is still accurate. i wouldnt bank on being able to get hold of them straight away though. i plan on getting one myself, but not for a couple months.
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April 18, 2010 10:41:58 AM

vexun11 said:
Would going from 1600 to 1330 really be such a good idea? It doesn't seem like it would save me much money more then 10-20$ and in a couple years it would make a difference wouldn't it?

Also does anyone know when the new 6 core phenom's are to be out for sale?

Performance wise you won't see a difference in real time apps/games,i recommended 1333MHz because i thought they are quite cheaper,but if the price is difference is $10-$20 then stick with 1600
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April 18, 2010 5:34:03 PM

If you want a head snapping fast PC get an SSD hard drive. The $125+ extra that the Phenom 6x costs over the 965 4x won't get you any were near the performance gain that a "good" SSD will. So between the savings in Ram and Processer you are most of the way there on an SSD.

You don't need a large capacity one, but usually the larger ones are faster then their little brothers. So, look for the largest one you can afford (min. 60 gb). You want to use it as a boot-up drive for your operating sys., applications and games that you use and play regularly. Use a regular large cap. disc hard-drive to store your pics, video, etc. The mother-board you are contemplating has the latest Sata III 6 gb interface and the Crucial SSD I mentioned before is the only SSD to sport this interface so far. It has a few start-up bugs but looks very good all the same and Crucial is promising to take care of them with a firmware up-date. The latest Intell drives are good but expensive. Otherwise stick with drives with the "Indilinx" controller as in that link I gave you earlier.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-s-ssd-hdd,2603....

Read Tom's info posts in the Storage/hard-drive forum.

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April 18, 2010 9:08:58 PM

does someone have an easy explanation/guide on how to OC my timings to get my memory to be recognized? (1600 from a 1333 board) just want to learn how it's done for the future.
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April 18, 2010 9:45:41 PM

Check your motherboard's manual to find the section in the BIOS which allows you to configure the RAM.
Then when you go there you can adjust the memory timings,voltages and speed manually
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April 18, 2010 11:22:31 PM

thanks. figured it was that, but it was so simple you can never find it online ;) 
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April 18, 2010 11:25:37 PM

Ok so I was planning on only spending like 400$ on the new system I am building but I just barely got my tax returns in so I wanna add some more money towards my build, mabey another 200$ so with 600$ would you change anything? or stick with the 6 core and ddr3 and add somethen else, would a ssd drive improve anything else other then loading times? perhaps im games?
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April 19, 2010 12:03:29 AM

Would I get better video performance if I got this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I do plan on getting a second video card and with that motherboard it is setup so the crossfire x2 would be 16x/16x because it supports quad where as the motherboard I have listed above only has 2x which would be 8x/8x
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April 19, 2010 1:45:42 PM

Dual 8x and Dual 16x doesn't have a noticeable difference(unless in very high resolutions with AA/AF),you can go for a HD 5770,its a great card
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April 19, 2010 5:39:59 PM

go for a 5770 to go with my 5830?
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April 19, 2010 6:41:06 PM

The biggest problem with SSDs and gaming is waiting for everybody else to load their maps. LOL

That Kingston 64gb SSD uses a JMicron 618 Controller which still hasn't improved enough over their first generation 602 controller which had stuttering problems and no "TRIM" support. The 618 has "TRIM" support but is still a bit slow in other respects compared with other SSDs. Compared to a disc drive the Kingston is a winner. With SSDs it's the controller that's important to watch. Try to find an SSd wth An "Indilinx" controller. OCZ and Patriot come to mind.

Here's a suggestion, though it is a little more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BTW you need Win 7 for "TRIM" to run automatically. You can do "TRIM" manually with XP and Vista. Read the forums there's lots to learn.
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April 19, 2010 6:43:57 PM

Your 5830 is fine. It's better then the 5770. I don't think Maziar saw it in your original system.
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April 19, 2010 8:58:53 PM

oops sorry,i didn't see the 5830 in your sig,thanks for clarifying :) 
Yes stick with your 5830,and if you wanted to use CF,you will be fine with both dual 8x and dual 16x(as i said the difference isn't much between them)
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April 22, 2010 9:48:59 PM

Awesome thanks, quick question. I have been looking at some i7's and i7 motherboards, would it be smarter to get a i7 and mobo and ram instead of the phenom 965 ram and mobo and ssd ? It looked like I could get a i7 system for around 500-600$ from some of the prices I saw.
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April 23, 2010 1:59:44 AM

I'm not familiar enough with Intel based systems having used AMD systems since getting into building computers several years back. I will say that from what I have read lately, you will have to pay %? more to get the same performance from Intel gear. Yes, apparently Intel is King of the Hill, but you gonna pay big for that performance.

I'm kinda a tight-wad when it comes to PC gear. AMD has won the performance/cost battle for any use I'm going to put my PC through. If you are going to be running some very processor intense software go for Intel. AMD will cost you less for anything I think you are going to do on your PC.

I repeat, HARD-DRIVES ARE THE CHOKE-POINT in today's PC world. It dosen't matter if you go Intel or AMD you will get your biggest performance boost from a good SSD. Even though SSDs are more expensive compared to a disc drive, they will deliver the cheapest performance boost you can buy. It's for loading operating systems, applications and games that You are likely to want FAST. Not storage.You don't need the best SSD just a smaller 60 gb good one. And you can do it for under $200
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April 23, 2010 6:32:24 AM

vexun11 said:
Awesome thanks, quick question. I have been looking at some i7's and i7 motherboards, would it be smarter to get a i7 and mobo and ram instead of the phenom 965 ram and mobo and ssd ? It looked like I could get a i7 system for around 500-600$ from some of the prices I saw.

Well getting an i7 will give you a overall better performance in games/CPU-intensive apps but getting SSD will give you less loader times,faster boots.
But performance wise i7 would be a better choice
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April 23, 2010 3:35:01 PM

Take 2 equal systems performance wise. (most gaming systems)

One Intel, the other AMD.

The Intel system is going to cost you more.
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April 24, 2010 7:27:00 AM

What would be the best upgrade in terms of future proof? I have been drooling over this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Also I am skeptical to buy a SSD because I have read a lot of posts with people having a lot of issues with ssd's so I am paranoid to purchase one because I dont want a headache trying to get it to work, what I want is a system that will be decent for the next few years, something I will be able to run all the new games with, that motherboard has 3 pci-e slots so mabey I could add a 5770 to my 5830?

let me know what you think.
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April 24, 2010 9:05:38 AM

You can't add a 5770 to your 5830,the cards have to be same in order to run in CF mode.
And that combo looks a good deal
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April 24, 2010 5:47:43 PM

The most expensive combo of AMD processor and motherboard below, the 965 and the Gigabyte 790FX amounts to $359.98 and should easily whup that i7 combo you are considering. I included the other AMD processor and MB because they are an easy match for that i7 combo and come to only $288.99 and that 955 M box has an unlocked multiplier and can be over-clocked to over 4.4 Ghz. with 3rd party cooling The 890GX board also has the latest chip-set from AMD and Sata 3 6gbs and USB 3 5Gbs. The 890FX is supposed to be released on April 26
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is ATI Radeons Crossfire chart. As you can see it seems to be out of date as it does not include your 5830. However, if you look carefully you will see that the 5850, 5870 and 5970 can be CF together in any combination. This should include your 5830 (a late arrival to the ATI stable) in the up-dated chart. In other words you could put any combo of 3 of these 4 cards together in CF on that 790FX mother board above which also has Sata 3 6Gbs and USB 3 5Gbs and will take the soon to be introduced 6 core Thuban (April 26). How's that for future-proofing. You won't be able to throw a 6 core Intel processor into that i7 board as I believe it requires a different socket. If you can afford one, the Thuban is expected to be under $300.

http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/images/crossfirex/CF_...
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April 24, 2010 7:06:51 PM

"Also I am skeptical to buy a SSD because I have read a lot of posts with people having a lot of issues with ssd's so I am paranoid to purchase one because I dont want a headache trying to get it to work,"

All I can say is conquer your fear, do some more reading and stick with a good name like Patriot (10 yr warranty), OCZ, Crucial, G-Skill (they are all warrantied).
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April 26, 2010 3:01:18 AM

If you were me would you get a 220$ ssd or another 5830 video card to add with my 5830,
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April 26, 2010 3:29:36 PM

I think if you are doing a lot of different things on your computer, loading apps., Photo Shop, animation, music, movies, go with the SSD. If you are mostly interested in gaming, first person shooters especially, then I believe you will see more of a performance boost with CFing 2X5830s in game play, frames per sec. and ability to go with higher resolution screen. However, as I mentioned earlier maps load almost instantaneously and this can be a real advantage in "real time strategy" games where having a little extra time to look at the map while everybody else is still loading is like having a spy behind the lines.

Good luck in what ever you decide.
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April 28, 2010 1:18:06 AM

I have been so indecisive, I have been looking into this way too much, I have spent atleast 15 hours finding out what I should get and I honestly can not decide, I was waiting for the new 6 core phenom to come out, I saw some benchmarks and it's not as good as I thought it would be, the 3.2ghz one is 300$, I can get an i7 930 for under 300$ but then ill need a mobo and ram.

I just want a fast computer that will be awesome for gaming for atleast 2-3 years, I mean in 1 year wouldnt a 965 be considered mainstream? how will the i7 be? Would I notice a difference in games? I don't wanna end up turning settings down in a game in the future and thinkig if I would have got an i7 I wouldn't have to turn these settings down.

sorry I am picky.

Also I have been looking at those intel 80gb ssd drives, the award winning ones, Are those the best performance ones? Also If I were to get another 5830 there probably would be heat issues wouldn't there? Mine runs cool right now but I do have air flow under the card, I cant imagine how hot it would get running next to another 5830.

what to get what to get...

Thanks a ton for your help though
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April 28, 2010 1:32:03 AM

With a SSD drive in order to have improved loading times in games dont I have to have the game installed on the ssd? I would need to get a damn expensive ssd to install new games that are 8-16GB

as far as adding another 5830 which is what im prolly gona do and wait for ssds to go down in price

what kind of 5830 should I get, should i get the same one I already have which is this exact card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

should I get the same exact one and put it in with this? what would be the best for cooling should I get one with 2 fans? what would be the best one in this list, what one would be smartest to put next to my 5830

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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April 28, 2010 5:00:32 AM

I guess if you were playing more then 3-4 games at the same time it might be a prob., but ya I would go with a new video card for now.

One of the nice things about AMD's CF X is the fact that you don't need exactly matched cards model wise as between 5830, 5850, 5870, 5970 and brand wise as with your Saphire and any other brand. you cannot do that with Intel's SLI system which needs exactly matched cards. Saphire suffers a bad rep for customer service and warranties so I would go with the XFX HD5830 because of the life time warranty, their good rep for honoring that warranty, the free game and it's $9 cheaper lol.
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April 28, 2010 6:19:18 AM

Quote:
Intel's SLI system


SLI is an Nvidia solution.
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April 28, 2010 7:44:48 AM

I was referring to SLI ready Intel motherboards, but ya yer right.

Thanx
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April 28, 2010 8:18:25 AM

vexun11 said:
I have been so indecisive, I have been looking into this way too much, I have spent atleast 15 hours finding out what I should get and I honestly can not decide, I was waiting for the new 6 core phenom to come out, I saw some benchmarks and it's not as good as I thought it would be, the 3.2ghz one is 300$, I can get an i7 930 for under 300$ but then ill need a mobo and ram.

I just want a fast computer that will be awesome for gaming for atleast 2-3 years, I mean in 1 year wouldnt a 965 be considered mainstream? how will the i7 be? Would I notice a difference in games? I don't wanna end up turning settings down in a game in the future and thinkig if I would have got an i7 I wouldn't have to turn these settings down.

sorry I am picky.

Also I have been looking at those intel 80gb ssd drives, the award winning ones, Are those the best performance ones? Also If I were to get another 5830 there probably would be heat issues wouldn't there? Mine runs cool right now but I do have air flow under the card, I cant imagine how hot it would get running next to another 5830.

what to get what to get...

Thanks a ton for your help though


The Phenom 6X have just been released and haven't really been bench-marked properly yet and we should be able to over-clock the dickens out of it.

You can get the 965 for $180 now and get a Thuban in a year after they have dropped or whatever backward compatible 8X AMD has out then and stay well ahead of whatever demands the next set of games are going to need. Making sure their new processors fit in our old boards is something AMD seems to specialize in.

Ya the intel SSD's have been cleaning up in most benchmarks but those new Sata 3 Crucial 300s have left them in the dust best performance-wise.

The 5xxx series cards are not big heat producers and that case you are using look like it can handle it anyway.


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April 28, 2010 9:48:27 AM

maz, i assume he means OCd to the limit and then benched. i'm sure thats what most of us want to see.

Toms review was good, but id like to see max stable OCs on air, THEN compared to the competition.
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April 28, 2010 10:21:43 AM

I see,i haven't seen any reviews about the MAX OC yet either,I'll post if i see one :) 
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April 28, 2010 5:21:51 PM

Thanks for the feedback, before I got my 5830 I had a XFX 5770 and that card got realy hot I would have to turn the fan up to keep it under 80C and I have pretty good cooling, I went for saphire because I heard they run cooler which they do, thats all I care about. Anyway I guess ill have to wait for more benchmarks to know which way to go.
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April 28, 2010 5:42:49 PM

welshmousepk said:
maz, i assume he means OCd to the limit and then benched. i'm sure thats what most of us want to see.

Toms review was good, but id like to see max stable OCs on air, THEN compared to the competition.

That is exactly what I meant by "properly".

Thanx Welshmousepl
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April 28, 2010 5:58:05 PM

vexun11 said:
Thanks for the feedback, before I got my 5830 I had a XFX 5770 and that card got realy hot I would have to turn the fan up to keep it under 80C and I have pretty good cooling, I went for saphire because I heard they run cooler which they do, thats all I care about. Anyway I guess ill have to wait for more benchmarks to know which way to go.

I don't know if that model of XFX 5770 was a bad for heating or not. More likely the cooler became dislodged from the chip and was not properly reseated. Video cards are bad for this problem. I always check new cards as this symptom is often the result of the shippers rough handling or just bad assembly. Even if You have to remove the cowling to get a good look or the cooler it self to see whether it even has thermal grease. Not LOL
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April 28, 2010 6:24:49 PM

vexun11 said:
Thanks for the feedback, before I got my 5830 I had a XFX 5770 and that card got realy hot I would have to turn the fan up to keep it under 80C and I have pretty good cooling, I went for saphire because I heard they run cooler which they do, thats all I care about. Anyway I guess ill have to wait for more benchmarks to know which way to go.

hmm HD 5770 runs cool,there must have been something wrong with yours then.
And what are your choices now(that you want to wait) ?
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April 29, 2010 4:37:06 AM

The card was in perfect condition, It would only heat up when shaders were up all the way, it would get over 80C but on average it would stay at 75C which is fine but I dont want that kind of heat. I was looking at this 5830, its a special kind, its a bit more money but runs cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also how come it only has 1 DVI and not 2 + 1hdmi like my 5830?

Picture my 5830, (Saphire Version) What would the best type of cooler be for the card I am going to add


There are some reviews with that xfx 5830 running hot, check out the newegg review by the first guy

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

xfx has always ran hot other then that they are okay, The saphire version I have (call of duty version) is what I might get hoping that the temps wont go up a lot. What temps do those phenom x6 run at on average?
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April 29, 2010 5:48:26 AM

I honestly am soo confused, I was looking at a 6 core phenom 2.8 for 200$ but then I saw something about an i5 750 beating the 965 which I was looking at before so then I compared the i5 to the new phenom x6, I then put together an i7 930 system together, mobo ram and cpu for 670 which is exactly how much it would cost to get the phenom x6 system with mobo ram and video card

I wish I had some influence lol
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April 29, 2010 6:04:58 AM

vexun11 said:
I honestly am soo confused, I was looking at a 6 core phenom 2.8 for 200$ but then I saw something about an i5 750 beating the 965 which I was looking at before so then I compared the i5 to the new phenom x6, I then put together an i7 930 system together, mobo ram and cpu for 670 which is exactly how much it would cost to get the phenom x6 system with mobo ram and video card

I wish I had some influence lol


unless you are doing something to actually use those extra cores, i'd get an i5.

since no games currently use more than 4 cores, you would be better off with a strong quad (the i5 750 is one of the best for gaming)
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April 29, 2010 7:25:26 AM

would that i7 750 be faster for gaming (at default clock speeds) then the 6 core phenom's and 965 all at default clock? I know it might not be as powerful overall but in terms of FPS type games would it be faster? i could get a i5 750 and mobo for like 370$ which would leave me an extra 300-400$ for stuff to add
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April 29, 2010 7:28:23 AM

vexun11 said:
would that i7 750 be faster for gaming (at default clock speeds) then the 6 core phenom's and 965 all at default clock? I know it might not be as powerful overall but in terms of FPS type games would it be faster? i could get a i5 750 and mobo for like 370$ which would leave me an extra 300-400$ for stuff to add


yes, the i5 750 is stronger than the x6 (at least, according to the benchmarks ive seen so far).
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April 29, 2010 8:02:27 AM

okay, Well lets see here, i5-750 200$ mobo for it 150$ i7 930 300$ mobo for it 200, memory 170 = 670 vs 450 ish for i5-750. Unless, Are you able to use tri channel with anything else other then i7? If so then awesome, Does it really have a huge effect having tri channel memory vs dual channel?

thanks again for the information , you rock!

wow, I didnt see that the i5 750 is only 2.66 ghz :( 
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April 29, 2010 8:10:02 AM

tri-channel is pointless for most tasks, so i wouldn't worry.

even at that clockspeed, the 750 is still on par with a phenom II 965, and its very easily overclockable. with a cheap aftermarket cooler you can easily hit 3.6ghz.
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