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Under $1600 Gaming PC - First Time Builder Needs Advice

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October 24, 2009 3:36:23 AM

Approximate Purchase Date : First week of November.
Budget Range : $1600 maximum limit.
System Usage : Gaming, Programming, Video, Usual Stuff.
Parts Not Required : Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, Monitor (wouldn't mind a suggestion for an affordable second wide-screen monitor though).
Preferred Website : Newegg.ca
Overclocking : Never done it before, but I plan on it.
Crossfire : Yes, eventually will need it.
Monitor Resolution : 1440 x 900 (I will most likely be buying a higher resolution monitor after the holidays).
Additional Comments : I plan on overclocking (for the first time), and I wanted a setup where I'm not going to need to really upgrade any of the expensive parts for a year or two. So basically I'm looking for quality.

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CPU : Core i7 920

RAM : Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB)

Video Card : SAPPHIRE 100282SR Radeon HD 5850

Motherboard : EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard

Hard Drive : Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB

Power Supply : CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V

Case : Antec Twelve Hundred

CPU Cooler : I'm not sure what to get here. I do plan on overclocking, and I understand how important a good CPU cooler is. I don't want to get into liquid cooling. I had considered the Prolimatech Megahalems but from what I read the extra degree or two cooling you get is not worth the extra money you pay. I do want something that's good quality.

Total Price is roughly $1470 CAD ($1430 after rebates)

If you see anything I could change for a much better price per performance, I'd be much obliged.

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October 24, 2009 3:43:14 AM

Welcome to the forum!

I would recommend this RAM over the expensive dominators
OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop

this is a solid mobo (I don't place a high value on newegg reviews)
ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel

You'll be fine with a 750W even if you crossfire
Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC

I really like this HSF
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve

Sorry, haven't heard of that website.
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October 24, 2009 4:38:40 AM

If you don't upgrade your monitor, no point on getting 5850 video card. 1440x900 is pathetically low so even a 4850 can max all settings in most games.

also, don't look at the ratings on newegg. a lot of them are noobs, there's no point. not reliable
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October 25, 2009 5:19:11 AM

Yea, I'm starting to seriously consider buying another monitor to make my primary. Just taking a quick browse over the better monitors it would probably cost me somewhere in the vicinity of $200 CAD.

Now, I've decided to settle for a single WD 640GB HD which has saved me $80. Chances are by the time I fill it prices will have come down even more or something. The next thing I'm looking at is the RAM.

Wondering if someone could give me a rundown on my options here for RAM. I keep hearing that most games don't need more than 4GB, but I'm thinking a bit into the future and 6GB seems to be the sweet spot.
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October 25, 2009 5:23:54 AM

With an 1366 motherboard, you'll need triple channel RAM (3/6/12gb). Aim for something in the 1333/1600MHz area with as low of latencies as you can afford (typically 7 is reasonable). Check out the OCZs is linked above.
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October 25, 2009 4:16:57 PM

Swapped out the RAM for the OCZ Platinum. Been browsing this forum a lot over the past week and I see it being recommended a lot so I assume it's good quality stuff.

Now I'm wondering about the motherboard; I wanted to know from some people here whether or not it was a good one. I do plan on grabbing another 5850, and I haven't seen any complaints regarding positioning on it. If it checks out I'll probably grab the ram/mobo combo and mail-in rebates so the cost for it will be under $300 in the end.
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October 25, 2009 4:28:16 PM

Unknown Solider, this is pretty embarrasing but I can't figure out how to get the editing hyperlinks to work on this forum. how did you make so that instead of having the full URL you just had a shorten clickable name for the part?...i can't get it to work on this forum any help? Haha
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a b C Monitor
October 25, 2009 4:36:08 PM

The link in my sig shows how, it'll switch to the clickable link after you post it.
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October 25, 2009 4:39:20 PM

Thank you so much!!!
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October 25, 2009 10:02:47 PM

What exactly does the RAM latency mean to me in regards to what I'm doing on the computer?
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a b C Monitor
October 25, 2009 10:32:36 PM

The timings (latencies) refer to how many clock cycles it takes to access a block of data, lower numbers are better as it means you can access the data quicker, timings have more of a difference in performance than speed.
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October 26, 2009 1:07:04 AM

Question for jbaker.

On another thread you listed all the things the i7 860 has going for it. So um... why are 920's seemingly so much more popular since 860's seem to have them beat out?
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October 26, 2009 1:27:02 AM

cause there the *** 4.0 OC stable FTW :p 
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a b C Monitor
October 26, 2009 1:37:50 AM

UnknownSoldier said:
Question for jbaker.

On another thread you listed all the things the i7 860 has going for it. So um... why are 920's seemingly so much more popular since 860's seem to have them beat out?


I have no idea.
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October 26, 2009 2:03:52 AM

Because of the socket...the 920 socket is 1366 which is more high end then the 1156 that the i7 860/870 use and the 920 is better when doing SLI/Crossfire because of higher bandwidth in the PCI-E Slots (or so i've heard) and new Intels hexacored i9's will be released for LGA 1366.
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October 26, 2009 2:07:55 AM

I'll repost the post UnknownSoldier is talking about here, so others know what he's talking about

Here's a simple explanation of why I prefer 1156/P55:
1. 860's frequency is higher
2. 860's turbo mode is far greater
3. 860's TDP is far lower
4. 860's intel specified supported ram frequency is higher
5. 860's overall price is far lower
6. Initial very high price of gulftown cpus
7. Lack of real need for 16x/16x crossfire
8. Limited benefit of triple channel ram
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October 26, 2009 2:55:36 AM

I just submitted my order for your shopping list minus the vid card and I chose the antec 900. I should have it in a week or so. I am a noob and plan on the same things you are. My bill cashed out at $1,177.00 USD including other websites. (It's how I justified the cooler.). I went with the 850w just to be sure it would last through a couple of builds. Hopefully in a couple of weeks I can let you know how everything works out. I did go with the Prolimatech Megahalems along with some inline auto speed controllers found here:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5299/tmp-31/NoiseMagi...

running this

SILVERSTONE FM121-B 120mm Case Fan - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm not sure if they will be compatible but if I need to, in theory, I can push max 110cfm through the cooling fins.

I'll be using a pair of FREE GeForce 8700's for the time being. I want to see if Nvidia comes out with something worth the wait.

I think I get a total of $80-$100 USD worth of rebates as well.
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October 26, 2009 11:14:42 AM

So I just read the review on frostytech for the Iceage 120 Boss II CPU Cooler and I want it bad...

Problem being I can't find it anyhere.

Anyone know if these are even available yet?
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October 26, 2009 11:58:56 AM

Don't think it's out yet.
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October 26, 2009 3:33:54 PM

darksupreme said:
if you want the best cooler on the market then hear nothing else tops it
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/prolimatech-mega-shadow-...


Yea... can't really get much better than that, but I'm really trying not to start ordering from a number of different sites due to shipping costs (on that site to Canada it's already over $100 and I don't even know if there will be a fee when it arrives). Actually that thing seems to be impossible to find inside of Canada (ncix is out of stock).
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October 26, 2009 5:14:32 PM

Are there any current socket 1366 heatsink charts available? I know FrostyTech is working on one, but there's no ETA.
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October 27, 2009 12:58:15 AM

Prolimatech Megahalems on back order. Bummer going to look for a new one.
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October 27, 2009 4:30:39 PM

Regarding the PSU. Assuming that at some point in the future I grab another 5850 for crossfire, will I ever need anything above a 750W PSU?
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October 27, 2009 4:35:20 PM

no you wont 750w handles all of that easily
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October 27, 2009 5:12:00 PM

Well the only problem with that site is again, the international shipping...

I think I might just bite the bullet and order from that heatsinkfactory site, even if international will cost me. Question regarding the Mega Shadow page for ordering. First off when it says it comes with 2 sets of fan clips, does that just mean enough for 1 fan, or enough for 2? Secondly, does that page give me the option to customize which fans I want to order with it, or is it just the second fan I can order?

Also I've gone and tweaked some stuff up above. Decided to go with the Mushkin ram, and the 750W PSU (price change basically balanced out).
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October 27, 2009 5:23:33 PM

I think it's 1 set for 1 fan so 2 sets accommodate 2 fans. Yes you get to choose which fan. I found all this out by following your posted link.

I had a screen shot but I don't have one of those accounts to post pics. to. so here look for your self......


http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/prolimatech-megahalems-c...
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October 28, 2009 9:00:40 AM

Was just thinking earlier, and had a general question. Is there a noticeable (not necessarily large, but noticeable) drop to hardware prices after the holidays?
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