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October 25, 2009 12:01:59 AM


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: End of November/early December at the latest.

BUDGET RANGE: 1500$ or so

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Games, flash, auto cad, bryce, web browsing, movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Have a case sitting here unused, Gigabyte 3d Aurora, black, aluminum, as well as a monitor from my current PC(after Christmas when i can afford it i will be picking up a new monitor, but doesn't relate to current budget)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg or TigerDirect preferred.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: None really

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes a few months down the line when i find it necessary.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Minimum of 1600x1200.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Want to get at LEAST 6gb of ram, preferably 8. Looking for a power pc that i can play the latest and greatest on with some decent graphics, thanks for any help you guys can give me.



Parts i have picked out and considering...any suggestions on them?

MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail


SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 2GB 256-bit GDDR5


KINGWIN Mach 1 ABT-1000MA1S 1000W ATX / BTX SLI Certified CrossFire Ready


AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
October 25, 2009 12:14:42 AM

I would look at an Asus or Gigabyte mobo over a MSI.
You have to put either 4gb or 8gb of ram in as that build does not support triple channel ram(6gb).
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October 25, 2009 12:22:27 AM

Tecmo why that PSU? I went with the 1000w one because it was 80+ rated and im planning on doing crossfire sometime within the next year with at least 1 other gpu. And i also wanted the option to add a third or fourth gpu on there if i ever need it a couple of years down the line :o  (planning this for a 4year build).

Sonic, any suggestions as to which mobo's?
October 25, 2009 12:53:26 AM

I choose the Corsair because it is a better PSU and had more than enough power for Crossfire of 4870. If you are going to Quad setup than a 1000+ watt PSU than. I would recommend going with a 5870 Crossfire setup instead of a 4870 Quad if you want the power of Quad 4870's.
October 25, 2009 3:26:12 AM

I see where the 5870 is a good chunk faster, but wont 2gig of dedicated video ram be more worthwhile for me? Why would you recommend it over the 4870?

Edit: And also, would that 850watt psu you recommended be capable of running crossfire? Only difference i could tell from the spec was the one you said had a silver certification and the 1000watt had a bronze :o 

Once again thanks for your time :D 
October 25, 2009 4:34:58 AM

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that's not realistic look at his needs, he doesn't need anything beyond 5850.
unless he gets 30" monitor

Agree...

I was simply pointing out if the OP want to run a Quad Crossfire with 4870's (which was mentioned as possible upgrade in the future) that a Crossfire setup of 5870's would be the better choice.
October 25, 2009 9:08:48 AM

Darksupreme... Nice buid except... You have the i5 750 listed for an LGA 1366 motherboard. The two will not work together! The OP would need to use the i7 920 in your build, which still makes it a very good build within the budget!
October 25, 2009 2:08:59 PM

A Few suggestions you might want to consider.

An Intel system
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80

PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139005
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$50.00 Instant

$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$159.99
$109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

OCZ Obsidian 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3OB1600LV4GK - Retail $78.99

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM $29.88

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $149.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $55.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181

SAPPHIRE 100282SR Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail $279.99


GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Winner of AnandTech Gold Editors' Choice Award $109.99

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115215

Logitech Black Cordless Wave Keyboard - OEM $40

Logitech MX518 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - Retail $31

Grand total=$1084.63

An AMD system

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80

PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139005
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$50.00 Instant

$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$159.99
$109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

OCZ Obsidian 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3OB1600LV4GK - Retail $78.99

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM $29.88

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $149.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $55.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181

SAPPHIRE 100282SR Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail $279.99

AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail $168.99

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $99.99

Logitech Black Cordless Wave Keyboard - OEM $40

Logitech MX518 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse - Retail $31


Grand Total=$1045.00
October 25, 2009 5:19:28 PM

Those are 3 very nice builds, but my question is wouldnt it be better to go amd route and get better gpu? I thought the differences in the I7 and Phenom were not to great when it came to gaming, my main goal for this :o 

Darksupreme: I really am feeling that build, but i have a case. Where could i move that 100$ to improve? And while i dont mind spending less then 1500$ im shooting as close as possible to have the best rig i can get to last for 4 years.

Sean: Those power supplies you have chosen there are fairly small, will they be capable of 2x or even 3/4x gpu's in the future?

Im really sorry for all the hassle guys, just wanna try to get the best bang for my buck that i can, i REALLY appreciate all the suggestions and help
October 25, 2009 6:01:25 PM

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no getting amd cpu with better gpu won't work..cpu will be a bottleneck for the gpu. unless you overclock. but in the end why get amd cpu when i5 750 is 198 dollars and OWNS every amd cpu

get i5 750 build or even i7 920 build


Ya but from what i can see the AMD cpu that i thought on has a higher base clock rate and from what ive read can easily hit over 4ghz, 2x as much l2 cache, and only 2mb less l3 cache, and 70$ less then a I7 920 :o  Would there be a bottleneck at that speed?

October 25, 2009 6:24:30 PM

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dude what are you talking about. EASILY 4GHZ+? which amd cpu?
don't try to test my knowledge if that's what you're trying to do here..
base clock doesn't mean anything because it's different architecture(amd vs intel) so you cant compare base clock, but you can compare PERFORMANCE by looking at what websites review...like this one..

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=363...

i5 750 beats any amd cpu...in gaming overall

l2 cache don't matter at this point, maybe on AMD's part, but on intel its all about l3 on the i5 and i7.

again, you've missed my point get i5 750 at under 200 dollars > any amd cpus, but if you are sli/crossfire in future get i7 920.



Im talking about the Phenom II x4 965 black edition :o  The one i have as possible buy in my first post....and based on an old tomshardware article i looked up just now it actually got over 10fps higher in left 4 dead, slightly better in GTA, and it lost to the 920 in Farcry 2.... Article

Im not trying to test your knowledge...im just trying to get the best gaming pc i can possibly get for 1500$. Im not an AMD or an INTEL fan so im not letting that influence my choice here....
October 26, 2009 3:53:18 PM

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okay here is the ultimate setup ive personally chosen for u , these are all from newegg

CASE:Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOTHERBOARD :ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM : OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GRAPHICS CARD :XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU COOLER: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HARD DRIVE :SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU : Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU :CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OD: Sony Optiarc Black 24X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

all this off newegg with a grand total of $1258.91
without some additional mail in rebates O.O


The only thing I think that should be changed here is the PSU, so that the OP can add 5870s later on. And obviously put the i7 920 in.
October 26, 2009 9:26:35 PM

[:jaydeejohn:7]... These last few post don't help the OP out, but they sure do make me feel like I'm back in Junior High School!! :D 
October 26, 2009 10:28:34 PM

@ overshocks & darksupreme

You guys go to neutral corners and calm down, your activity in this thread has been reported to the moderators, your last input is not helping the OP at all, take this as a warning and just let it go.

I'm not here to settle who's right or wrong, I'm here to stop the problem one way or another, so chill guys! Ryan
October 26, 2009 10:43:29 PM

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You seem to like the word "spewing" a lot. Maybe you should stop barking at me, because you were wrong at the first place and fails to admit. He hasn't upgraded his monitor..


Seems like you left this out of your last input
October 26, 2009 10:55:08 PM

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for the first build the cooler was fine , not for the second upgraded build .
and ur still trying to create commotion like an idiot spewing his crap ...sigh ... ppl never learn .u see anything that could be improved on in that build tecmo?

Your build looks very good! I do agree with overshocks that a 5850 might be a better choice for the OP's resolution.
October 27, 2009 12:37:50 AM

The little fight aside, very nice build guys, thanks. Im pretty much set on getting this! I do have 3 questions tho...once again im sorry >< Lots and lots of questions from me lol

1) The ram. I noticed the motherboard has 6 slots for ram, so is it possible if i wanted to in the future buy a second set of sticks like those and have them both in for 12gb? Or is there some sort of capability issue?

2) Is 750w a large enough PSU to crossfire 5870s without any power issues?

3) Is it possible that my 3d Aurora case will be able to handle this beast? If i could take that case off and redirect it towards upgrading the psu or something else to make it even better would be cool. Just a question tho! :p 

Once again...thanks for the suggestions and advice. Hopefully this will be the last round of questions i have for you guys :o 
October 27, 2009 1:18:11 AM

1) Yes, you can buy another 6GB (3x3GB) RAM set to move up to 12GB. You just have to make sure you buy a match to your original set of RAM.

2) Yes, the Corsair 750TX is powerful enough for two 5870's.

3) Is your case this one or close to it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If so, it is a 1/2 inch shorter than the Antec 1200 and should work. If you use the case, I would drop down to the 5850 GPU and pick up a new monitor with 1920x1080 resolution like this one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or if you have one at that level, pick up another 5850 :) 
October 27, 2009 7:02:00 PM

Personally I wouldn't crossfire 2 5870s with a 750W PSU.
October 30, 2009 9:50:51 PM

Thanks for all the help guys, im sure on what im gonna get now. Appreciated!!
October 31, 2009 11:37:08 PM

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