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October 25, 2009 7:46:13 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ~Nov 1 (Uncertain) BUDGET RANGE: $1000USD (Flexible) Before Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, internet, DVD and online video, basic word processor work

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: OS, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse (Suggestions on all welcome, however. Gaming, but low priced.)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Kentucky, USA

PARTS PREFERENCES:
*BFG for nVidia cards, unless well recommended otherwise.
*Sapphire or XFX for ATI cards, unless well recommended otherwise.
*Full tower or mid tower, the former preferred if the price jump is small.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Possible in the future.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1152 x 864 (Unless a monitor is suggested, of course. In that case, not-too-wide-screen is preferable.)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*Upgradability and longevity are both highly valued.
*A quiet system is preferred, of course, but not vital.
*I don't think overclocking does much to this processor, but I'm also not sure I'll really want to.
*I don't think this motherboard (below) supports SLI or Crossfire, does it?
*Graphics cards have had me going back and forth. I'm willing, but not necessarily able, to spend around $250. At that area, my eyes would be set on a BFG overclocked GTX 275, or an XFX/Sapphire Radeon HD 5850. However, at the moment, I'm kinda thinking a HD 5770 should be okay. (After all, I've gotten by with 7600GS up until this very moment, and will be a little longer. Though the ability to go maximum, or at least above average, would be nice.)
*For hard drives, I've been looking at 7200 RPM, high cache, and okay seek and latency. SSD is pretty much out of the question, and I'm not sure I trust them quite yet, but I only need around 100GB to 160GB, 250GB tops. I mostly just want reliability (but still with the above features something nice to have) and a price that certainly shouldn't go above $100.
*The DVD drive I want simple and affordable, right now. A read only because I plan on handing it over to someone else once I get ahold of a new one, and I want it to be cheap, for now.
*Amtec power supplies tempted me, especially one with a graphics card deal, but there seem to be a good deal of bad reviews? And Corsair seems to be barely disputed, as well as being in a local store (some Amtec and BFG stuff there, too).
*A Thermaltake case, the V9 Black Edition, but it had reportedly shoddy construction, so I outed that idea, but I'd very much like something with a nicer fan setup and flow like it had. I've been looking at CoolerMasters, though they are more than I'd like to spend, and lacking on deals. As such, the Antec you see below, for now. (Also, filters would be nice.)

Currently planned specs:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W
Intel BOXDP55KG LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard (-$30 when bought with the above processor.)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B
Corsair - 650W ATX CPU Power Supply (Local Store)
Thermaltake Element S VK60001N2Z Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (-$30 when bought with the above graphics card, and -$30 more with mail in rebate.)

That's all I can think of, so, the main questions:
Are the brands and parts here reliable and generally good?
Should these parts probably work together?
Are there better deals I can find?

Happily think of replacing the case, memory, drives, and motherboard, but the graphics card would be nice to stay at that point or higher, and the processor is almost certainly what I want.

Thanks a lot!
October 25, 2009 10:16:09 AM

The Core I5 performs similarly to the I7 860 in terms of gaming and is considerably cheaper. A single 5850 would be a wiser choice instead of two 5770's in crossfire, so you won't have to buy an expensive crossfire board and you'd be able to get a smaller PSU. You can then use the money saved to get yourself a shiny new monitor :p 

Intel Core i5-750
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MSI P55-CD53 LGA 1156
Combo Price: $304.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB
+
COOLER MASTER RC-690
Combo Price: $99.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS EAH5850/G/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5850 1GB - $259.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM - $18.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" - $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total = $1003.91
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October 25, 2009 1:17:31 PM

GET CORE I7 its soo much more future proof and plus u willl be able to buy core i9 in a few years :D 
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October 25, 2009 2:36:24 PM

thewightknight said:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ~Nov 1 (Uncertain) BUDGET RANGE: $1000USD (Flexible) Before Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, internet, DVD and online video, basic word processor work

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: OS, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse (Suggestions on all welcome, however. Gaming, but low priced.)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Kentucky, USA

PARTS PREFERENCES:
*BFG for nVidia cards, unless well recommended otherwise.
*Sapphire or XFX for ATI cards, unless well recommended otherwise.
*Full tower or mid tower, the former preferred if the price jump is small.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Possible in the future.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1152 x 864 (Unless a monitor is suggested, of course. In that case, not-too-wide-screen is preferable.)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*Upgradability and longevity are both highly valued.
*A quiet system is preferred, of course, but not vital.
*I don't think overclocking does much to this processor, but I'm also not sure I'll really want to.
*I don't think this motherboard (below) supports SLI or Crossfire, does it?
*Graphics cards have had me going back and forth. I'm willing, but not necessarily able, to spend around $250. At that area, my eyes would be set on a BFG overclocked GTX 275, or an XFX/Sapphire Radeon HD 5850. However, at the moment, I'm kinda thinking a HD 5770 should be okay. (After all, I've gotten by with 7600GS up until this very moment, and will be a little longer. Though the ability to go maximum, or at least above average, would be nice.)
*For hard drives, I've been looking at 7200 RPM, high cache, and okay seek and latency. SSD is pretty much out of the question, and I'm not sure I trust them quite yet, but I only need around 100GB to 160GB, 250GB tops. I mostly just want reliability (but still with the above features something nice to have) and a price that certainly shouldn't go above $100.
*The DVD drive I want simple and affordable, right now. A read only because I plan on handing it over to someone else once I get ahold of a new one, and I want it to be cheap, for now.
*Amtec power supplies tempted me, especially one with a graphics card deal, but there seem to be a good deal of bad reviews? And Corsair seems to be barely disputed, as well as being in a local store (some Amtec and BFG stuff there, too).
*A Thermaltake case, the V9 Black Edition, but it had reportedly shoddy construction, so I outed that idea, but I'd very much like something with a nicer fan setup and flow like it had. I've been looking at CoolerMasters, though they are more than I'd like to spend, and lacking on deals. As such, the Antec you see below, for now. (Also, filters would be nice.)

Currently planned specs:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W
Intel BOXDP55KG LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard (-$30 when bought with the above processor.)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B
Corsair - 650W ATX CPU Power Supply (Local Store)
Thermaltake Element S VK60001N2Z Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (-$30 when bought with the above graphics card, and -$30 more with mail in rebate.)

That's all I can think of, so, the main questions:
Are the brands and parts here reliable and generally good?
Should these parts probably work together?
Are there better deals I can find?

Happily think of replacing the case, memory, drives, and motherboard, but the graphics card would be nice to stay at that point or higher, and the processor is almost certainly what I want.

Thanks a lot!


Looks like a solid build to me. All i can say is consider getting a full tower, as you said longetivity, if you get a full tower, better airflow=better cooling=longer life. And your monitor is quite small, unless you want to upgrade it, i wouldn't waste money on ATI's 5xxxs cards, look more into midrange cards.
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October 25, 2009 2:56:32 PM

You know, it's weird. I saw you're response, and I was all set to go on about how I looked thoroughly at the differences between the i5-750, the i7-860, and the i7-920, and had come to an irreversible conclusion or something like that, but then I went and double checked before acting like a jerk, and apparently I made quite the hasty decision, so thank you for that, first of all!
For the graphics card, I'm not exactly looking to get two 5770's in crossfire, but it's more that I'm looking to get something that will be only $1000 or so now, and not-too-expensively upgradeable in the future. So the idea is upgradablility, not immediate power. I know the 5850 will match or beat the 5770 in crossfire for most situations, and outclass it when it's in crossfire, but the big focus there is the thought of saving that $100 now.
With that, here's what I'm thinking:
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W
This will be great for my gaming needs, and good enough for my other uses. Especially for the price. - $209.99(local and 3yr warranty)/$199.99
Intel BOXDP55WG LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
Until someone tells me otherwise, I think I'll be preferring to get Intel boards with my Intel processors. In addition to that, I can get this one for the same price but a better (1 year) warranty locally, it does have the option to increase graphics capabilities in the future (someone tell me if I'm wrong, please, but I'm pretty sure the PCIe x8 indicates that), it gives me the option of 1600MHz ram, and, of course, it has everything else I would need, since I'll likely never have more than 4 drives, if that many. But mostly it's Intel and I can get it local. (Also, there is a combo deal if I use Newegg that takes off $9 or so.) - $139.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH
With that choice in motherboard, I can keep this ram, and that makes me happy. What I've seen seems to indicate that it quite outmatches 1333MHz, and for not a big price boost. So I think I'd like to stick with it. - $109.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive and COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
This is something that really did catch my eye, and I'm gonna have to thank you for that too. I don't like that that HDD doesn't list any seek times or latency, but I can dig around a bit for that. Hopefully the case will be as big as it sounds - I'm not really sure how to know if what I want will fit without trying it out. But for that price, case and HDD, I think it's a winner. - $99.98
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B
Same DVD drive. - $18.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
I think I'll be sticking with this power supply (though maybe the local model instead, bit more price for a lot more warranty) because of the fact that it will be plenty prepared if I do want to end up using crossfire at some point, and the thought is there. Largely, however, it's the warranty that's making this choice, and I'd be getting the same price to go lower, locally. - $99.99
SAPPHIRE 100282SR Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity
While the chances aren't low that I'll go back to the idea of a 5770 now, and a second in the future, I'll set my sites at this, just for the moment at least. It's certainly a good card, and will power the games I want to play well. - $289.99
Lastly, if any FPS gamers out there have suggestions for mice, keyboards, and headsets, it would be very appreciated.

EDIT: (It took me a long time to post all that. :p )
@demondrumer: Yes, I'd love to have the money for i7-975 extreme, and I'd love to have the patience for another year, but, alas, I have neither. The i5-750 matches the 860 (in gaming), and the 860 beats the 920. For $200? Do want.
@Just a nickname: I think those voltages are way too high for i5 and i7 processors/motherboards. I'm pretty sure they need to be kept at or under 1.65V or they fry.
@blackhawk192: I'd like to look for a full tower, but they sit steadily around prices I don't want to spend, and the deal that build pointed out is just beautiful. If I see a full tower that doesn't end up costing me $100+ extra, I'll go for it. And yes, there are plans to upgrade my monitor, this one is being borrowed, after all. (Old CRT just wouldn't last after more than 7 years or so. :p ) I want to stick with something small, but I still plan on driving good resolution, and the 5700/800's are my choice because of DX11 and price.
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October 25, 2009 3:11:44 PM

@thewightknight can you post your total for your next list update? I'm looking for i5 build too ;p
You say you can't wait 1 year for a better CPU, but can you wait a few week for the release of new NVidia card? I'm waiting for that card and I think it can worth it.
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October 25, 2009 4:02:00 PM

Okay, here's the running total:
Without Combo Deals
Processor: Intel BX80605I5750 (i5-750: 2.66GHz, LGA 1156, 95W, 8MB L3 Cache) : $199.99
Motherboard: Intel BOXDP55WG (P55, ATX, LGA 1156): $139.99
Memory: G.Skill F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH (2x2GB 1600MHz,DDR3, CAS 7): $109.99
Graphics Card: SAPPHIRE 100282SR (HD5850, 1GB 256-bit GDDR5, CF&Eyeinfinity): $279.99
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD6401AALS (640GB, 7200RPM, 32MB Cache, SATA 3GB/S): $74.99
Optical Drive: Sony DDU1681S-0B (18x DVD-ROM, 24x CD-ROM, SATA): $18.99
Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX (650W, ATX12V/EPS12V, CF/SLI Ready): $99.99
Case: COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP (ATX, Mid Tower, 3x12cm fans, 7x12cm fans possible.): $69.99
Total Before Savings or Deals: $993.92
Combo Deals Available:
Intel BX80605I5750 + Intel BOXDP55WG: $330.98 ($9.00 Saved)
Western Digital WD6401AALS + COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP: $99.98 ($45.00 Saved)
Mail in Rebate:
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX: -$10.00 ($89.99 after)
Total after Combo Deals: $939.92
Total after Combo Deals and Rebate: $929.92


That help? :p 
So yeah, a pretty good system for a little under $1000, and a little over $900 after combos and the like, and you can jump down another $100 or so if you drop the graphics card down to a HD5770.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and waiting too long means I don't have a PC by November 10 or so, which means no MW2 (which I'm a bit disapointed about anyway, and gamers will know why), and/or no L4D2. At least, neither of those with a strong computer.
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October 25, 2009 4:41:33 PM

I don't know if your mobo is compatible with that but you can upgrade for G.skill strident 2000Mhz. You can OC it to 2155Mhz w/ a lower timing. You'll have to play in the BIOS to fix the default speed at 2000Mhz however for only 10 more bucks.
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October 25, 2009 6:00:52 PM

I'd need a new motherboard, and from what I've seen the performance increase wouldn't be enough to equal that extra price, so I think that memory is probably the best for the price I want.
The main things I'm still stuck on are whether I should get an HD 5770 (with plans to eventually get another) or an HD 5850, and whether all this stuff will fit in that case. But I suppose the
So:
*Any particular way I could check if it will fit before buying? It sounds pretty roomy, I just would like to be sure.
*Am I nearly as certain as I can be that this will all work together and not die immediately?
I'm not sure what other concerns I should have. :p 
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October 25, 2009 9:35:26 PM

Heh. Memory speed is 35% higher!
I changed mine; it was an increase of only 20% and I see the difference. Tsk.

Get a single 5850 for now (cheaper than 2 5770) you probably won't need an other, but you still can upgrade your computer. =) BTW, a sigle 5850 is more than enough for gaming.
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October 25, 2009 10:13:39 PM

Well, I'm sure I could be wrong, though I'm still pretty sure DDR3 at 1600MHz will last longer and run more stable than it would at 2000+, right? Anyway, it is still around a $70 increase, all things considered, and I think I'll be happy with the 1600MHz. At least I didn't settle for the 1333!
Year, I suppose I'll go for the 5850, because it will be cheaper or better in the long run.
As far as I'm concerned the last thing to put in question is the case.

EDIT:
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42915
Intel says that the i5-750 uses DDR3 1066 or 1333. Does this mean it can't use 1600, or just that it isn't precisely what it is designed for?
If it can only use 1333, then this is probably the memory to go for: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 26, 2009 7:28:41 PM

On the Intel DP55WG Motherboard:
"DDR3 1600 or higher memory support on this motherboard requires compatible Intel® Extreme Memory Profiles (Intel® XMP) enabled memory or advanced knowledge of BIOS and memory tuning; individual results may vary."
1. I'm looking at the BIOS guide on this site now, but in general, should I be able to do this relatively simply with the memory I plan on getting ( http://tinyurl.com/ylb8auj , http://tinyurl.com/ksk9y9 ) or might it be smarter to look into DDR3-1333 Memory instead?
2. If it will be tough to mess with the BIOS, are there any motherboards that are around $150 or less in price that will certainly enable my i5-750's turbo boost technology, as well as run DDR3-1600 memory, and preferably have the ability to use an x8 x8 PCIe configuration, and any other similarities to the DP55WG board.
Thanks!
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