AMD Athlon II 425 X3 or AMD Phenom 8750 X3

Origionally i ordered the Phenom http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103295

then i saw posts about unlocking the 4th core on the Athlon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103726

but now i can't decide which i wish to return, I plan on using this mobo for either one i keep http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131595

I have an ATI Redeon HD 4670 http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-4670-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B002NPCDP0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263339127&sr=1-1

and 4GB of DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188&cm_re=a_data_ddr2_800-_-20-211-188-_-Product

I'm trying to decide which processor will run the best with this set up and what processor will handle gaming better

I plan on overclocking the processors and if possible unlock the 4th core on the phenom if possible...

So my questions are
1. Which processor is better stock
2. Which processor is easier or better overclocked
3. Can i unlock the Phenom's 4th core
4. Does the Phenom's L3 cache offer a better advantage or does the athlons higher clock speed and 45nm offer a better advantage

link comparing both processors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=2010340343&Manufactory=1028&PropertyCodeValue=507%3A50076%2C507%3A34498%2C517%3A33662%2C517%3A46439%2C517%3A20996%2C509%3A50077%2C509%3A34497&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=False&CompareItemList=N82E16819103295%2CN82E16819103726



thanks for any help
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  1. If you want a quad, don't rely on unlocking the 4th core. Sometimes it doesn't work; it's too unstable to reboot. The propus 620 is only $99.99, and ocassionally, around $82 shipped as an open box.
  2. Newegg had deals on them with a MOBO for $135 so i was just trying to choose between them but i will consider the Propus 620 thats not a bad deal either
  3. The Athlon II is more powerful, the Athlon II and original Phenom series swap blows with one another when compared at the same clock speed, but the newer 45nm Athlon II is much more power efficient and is a much better overclocker. You'll be lucky to reach 3.0Ghz on an old Phenom, 3.2Ghz if your really lucky, while an Athlon II will usually reach 3.5Ghz+
  4. Thank you very much I think i have decided to return the Phenom and keep the Athlon, from the information here and on a couple other sites it seems over all the Athlon is better despite not having an L3 cache

    ANOTHER QUESTION

    How big will the difference make between having the same video card as a 512Mb or 1GB its the card linked in my original post but they offer it in both 512Mb and 1Gb
  5. elpcavy21 said:

    How big will the difference make between having the same video card as a 512Mb or 1GB its the card linked in my original post but they offer it in both 512Mb and 1Gb


    That will depend on your monitor resolution and if you want to enable AA.
  6. Quote:
    Stop baeting aroudn the bush and tell us the two video cards models you want us to compare :)


    the card i have linked in the OP is this one
    http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-4670-PCI-Express-Graphics/dp/B002NPCDP0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263339127&sr=1-1
    they offer it in a 512Mb and a 1Gb just trying to decided what the performance gains of having more memory is if there is any

    I'll be using the Motherboard that is also linked in the OP
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131595
  7. Quote:
    Edit:

    Heck I've seen some 4850s on Newegg for $99, only a $23 difference over the 4670. The Athlon 620 X4 is $23 more than the 435 X4. So you are spending just $46 more for a processor that is a guaranteed quad core (longevity) and will overclock just as far as the X3 plus you are getting a video card that is at least 50% faster on a bad day.

    Another concern is the motherboard, you can buy a DDR3 motherboard (AM3 native) for almost the same price. Also the DDR2 A-Data memory can be bought for almost the same price as DDR3 sticks. The motherboard and memory choice makes no sense.


    this is the information i need, I am using the DDR2 since i have it just sitting around i plan on eventually upgrading the ram also, but lets just open this up


    if you were me and wanted to spend around $350 on the following items what would you purchase?
    CPU
    Motherboard (micro ATX since thats the case i have)
    Memory
    GPU
  8. Quote:
    Before I can answer this i need a little bit more information. Do you need a new PSU (Power Supply Unit) or have you got a decent one? Also you said that you have existing DDR2 memory already, how much memory is it? Because if you are planning on adding more DDR2 memory at a later date its costing the same as if you sold your existing DDR2 on ebay and buying the same DDR3 kit to start with.


    I've got an OK 400w PSU that i'll upgrade as needed I've got 4GB DDR2 (2 x 2GB) if it is a better idea i will sell the DDR2 in order to buy the DDR3 lets say you'd have $80 extra by selling the DDR2 so now you have a total of about $430 to spend on a DDR3 system

    so... for $430 what would you buy lol

    Motherboard
    CPU
    DDR3 Memory
    GPU
  9. PSU brand? 400w is more than enough if it is quality brand / model
  10. You should get rid of the 4670 i had bought one from newegg 3 weeks ago and hated it way overpriced for what it is u will see better performance with a 9800gt or a 4850 for only 20 bux more or spend the 50 dollars more like i did and get the gt 250
  11. theholylancer said:
    PSU brand? 400w is more than enough if it is quality brand / model


    This is the PSU I have
    http://www.dynexproducts.com/pc-124-28-dynex-400-watt-atx-cpu-power-supply.aspx
  12. elpcavy21 said:
    I've got an OK 400w PSU that i'll upgrade as needed I've got 4GB DDR2 (2 x 2GB) if it is a better idea i will sell the DDR2 in order to buy the DDR3 lets say you'd have $80 extra by selling the DDR2 so now you have a total of about $430 to spend on a DDR3 system

    so... for $430 what would you buy lol

    Motherboard
    CPU
    DDR3 Memory
    GPU


    Your ram should be fine. The board can handle a PII 965 if you wanna lower the gpu.
    $80 : Biostar mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138155
    $140 : XFX HD 5750: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150448
    $113 : Athlon II X4 630: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103704
  13. Pro Llama said:
    Your ram should be fine. The board can handle a PII 965 if you wanna lower the gpu.
    $80 : Biostar mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138155
    $140 : XFX HD 5750: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150448
    $113 : Athlon II X4 630: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103704



    issue with that recommandation, the 5750 and the athlon II X4 will need more power than what this dynex 400w is outputting,


    the 5750 needs

    450 Watt or greater power supply with one 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended

    and I dont think that 400w even has a PCIE power connector...


    and same thing with the Sapphire ATI 4850 $99.99 recommendation above

    they both needs a better PSU....
  14. saaiello said:
    You should get rid of the 4670 i had bought one from newegg 3 weeks ago and hated it way overpriced for what it is u will see better performance with a 9800gt or a 4850 for only 20 bux more or spend the 50 dollars more like i did and get the gt 250


    You're the 2nd person in the thread to say that, I think I will return the 4670 and opt for the 4850 once my refund is returned, I guess its really worth that extra $25-$30 then!
  15. in short, it is. try for a 5750 or 5770 if you can tho, DX11 is here and they are not THAT much more expensive with similar enough performance that it's okay


    unless if you came across deals on the 4870/4890 that seems to be on saleish now
  16. theholylancer said:
    issue with that recommandation, the 5750 and the athlon II X4 will need more power than what this dynex 400w is outputting,


    the 5750 needs

    450 Watt or greater power supply with one 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended

    and I dont think that 400w even has a PCIE power connector...


    and same thing with the Sapphire ATI 4850 $99.99 recommendation above

    they both needs a better PSU....


    nope the Dynex does not have a PCIe Power connector I just looked at it! lol
    but if my PSU can't handle the 4850 then i will stick with the 4670 and buy a PSU/GPU combo from Newegg at a later date...
  17. theholylancer said:
    in short, it is. try for a 5750 or 5770 if you can tho, DX11 is here and they are not THAT much more expensive with similar enough performance that it's okay


    unless if you came across deals on the 4870/4890 that seems to be on saleish now


    Well I was planning on getting the GPU from Amazon as I scored a $75 Gift card for there when i spend $1000 on my monster truck tires! so i will be purchasing the GPU from amazon and was trying to stay within the $75 but if there is a better GPU that i can get for not much more monies on amazon then i'm all over it
  18. I am sure it's posted all over the thread... stay away from the Phenom 1 cpu's

    They only good one is the 9850 and the 9950's but at this point they are only useful for people with older AM2 Boards...

    Athlon II's are great budget cpu's.
  19. well there IS the third option

    if you buy the 4850 now or 5750 don't plug in the PCIE power and limit it to low power mode, it would not perform good at all until you get a better PSU, but hell it's better than sinking money into a 4670 and not be able to resell it for a good price later on with a good PSU

    granted I hope the new card won't make that old PSU explode, what is the rest of your components like (brand please) also age of the PSU and see if we can determine even if the low power mode on the newer cards will work
  20. theholylancer said:
    well there IS the third option

    if you buy the 4850 now or 5750 don't plug in the PCIE power and limit it to low power mode, it would not perform good at all until you get a better PSU, but hell it's better than sinking money into a 4670 and not be able to resell it for a good price later on with a good PSU

    granted I hope the new card won't make that old PSU explode, what is the rest of your components like (brand please) also age of the PSU and see if we can determine even if the low power mode on the newer cards will work


    The pc that the PSU is in now is 3 years old
    Motherbord Asus P4G-LA
    HardDrives 2 x WD WD800
    Pentium 4 (lol) 2.0Ghz
    GPU PCI Visiontek 9250 128Mb
    Liknsys PCI Wireless card
    1.5Gb ram ddr
  21. O.o ummm let me ask, how were you planning on sticking ANY PCIE cards into the mobo????

    it only takes PCI and umm how did ur fit a 4650 into it?????
  22. theholylancer said:
    O.o ummm let me ask, how were you planning on sticking ANY PCIE cards into the mobo????

    it only takes PCI and umm how did ur fit a 4650 into it?????


    no thats the computer that i'm saving the PSU from im going to order all the stuff listed in the original post new Mobo
    new CPU
    new GPU


    the only things that i'm keeping form the Pentium 4 set-up is the PSU the HD's and the CD/DVD drive

    I got the PSU about a year ago to replace the 300W that was in my Pentium 4 that i'm trashing and replacing with the AMD set-up and the GPU we've been discussing
  23. hmm then it should last for a little while at least (I hope the 400w is at least capable of 300w, if so then you should be good), how long do you plan to wait until u got cash for new PSU?
  24. A couple months probably I'll probably opt for something 600w to 650w higher if needed but i don't want it to be an over kill
  25. Quote:
    You are going to need a new PSU. I'll find a decent cheap one for you :)


    Antec Basiq BP500U 500W Continuous $49.99

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371004


    Edit


    The wattage doesnt matter much, its more about the amp (A) per rail, efficiency and reliability.

    You can buy a 1,000w generic PSU and it wills till be junk.


    Alright if my PSU can't handle the new setup then I will purchase this one thanks!
  26. Quote:

    This is a good setup; the mobo will handle up to 125w chip meaning you can drop in a PII 955.

    Personally I would leave out the ram considering you already have 4gb of ddr2. I don’t think that you will get as much as you hope by selling it on ebay and they difference in speed is unnoticeable. That would put your total at $360.
  27. The Dynex "400W" is almost as fecal as they come: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/05/13/getting_best_buy_on_power_supply/2
    The Antec Basiq was reviewed favorably at www.hardwaresecrets.com; if you want a cheap PSU, that's probably the one to get, as it can actually do at least 500W. Still, I'd recommend a PSU that is 80+ certified, such as the Antec Earthwatts. They aren't too expensive, and one or more of them are typically discounted.
    Depending on your resolution (e.g. up to 1440x900), you may find the HD4670 at least tolerable. Try it before you arbitrarily spend a lot of money. You may still want to, but you might not have to do it right away.
  28. Quote:
    You will not know whether your PSU can handle it until it dies and potentially takes the rest of the components with it. It might be a week later, a month later, a year later, heck you might even replace it before it dies.


    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/05/13/getting_best_buy_on_power_supply/2


    Quote:
    As soon as this unit was opened it was clear that this unit was not nearly as well constructed as other 400w products we have seen. Indeed, in various places the unit was screened for additional and larger components that were excluded from this unit. The components that were included were of poor quality with the best thing we saw in the unit being a few Teapo capacitors as the rest were TL and Fcon. Adding insult to the injury, the unit’s PCB indicates that the power supply is supposed to be a 200-300w unit. This 200w-300w marking turned out to be prophetic as the unit was capable of doing 200w's but was capable of destroying test equipment when 300watts were attempted. Surprisingly though, when running the unit actually demonstrated good voltage regulation with peak changes of less than 0.05v on any of the positive rails through the tests it completed (all two of them that is). However, when running the units efficiency peaked at just 78.82% at 120v input and bottomed out at 73.91% at 100v which is not very good for any unit.



    Quote:
    The results of today’s foray into Best Buy house branded power supplies as it relates to these two power supplies (the Dynex DX-400WPS and Rocketfish RF-700WPS) leaves us with one piece of advice; if users are tempted to buy either of these power supplies, think again. While neither unit is a good, or even passable, power supply in relation to how it is advertised, the Dynex DX-400WPS is a particularly egregious offender in all aspects of build quality, performance, and value that has no real redeeming value


    So if i get all this stuff and plug it into my PSU and it's not powerful enough what will happen? what are the chances that it'll damage my other components?
  29. What about this PSU I get all the components from newegg tomorrow so i don't want to have to wait another 3-4 days so i'm going to shop around locally

    http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/1543720651.html

    or this one

    http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/1536725003.html
  30. yap looks like it, i guess my initial assessment that it can pull 300w seems to be flawed and thus wrong

    I guess you need an almost completely new build, the one BDDazza suggested seems solid (if not a bit outside ur price range) but yeah

    also, look up the prices of used DSDR2, and they are not that great eh:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/MICRON-MEMORY-RAM-4GB-2GBX2-DDR2-667-PC2-5300-240PIN_W0QQitemZ320471602707QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d989613

    and there are chances that the 80 dollar assessment you gave is optimistic
  31. elpcavy21 said:
    What about this PSU I get all the components from newegg tomorrow so i don't want to have to wait another 3-4 days so i'm going to shop around locally

    http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/1543720651.html



    NO, another no name, stick with the big boys and you'll be fine, I guess these no name can't do even 80 % of what they are rated at.
  32. Trying to stay around or under $40

    What about roswell?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182076

    or these?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023


    THANKS TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR HELP I'VE LEARNED MORE ON THIS SITE IN THE LAST 8 HOURS THEN I HAVE LEARNED THE LAST WEEK I'VE BEEN READING THROUGH GOOGLE SEARCHES
  33. or if this one will run all my stuff without exploding i'll go grab it now...
    http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4675269&CatId=4294
  34. All those PSUs with little red voltage switches are crappy, older designs. Many are overrated. The Raidmax, for example, was featured not long ago in a video of PSUs blowing chunks at a mere 75% of rated load. A modern PSU has full range active PFC (no little voltage switch). A worthwhile modern PSU is also 80+ certified (or better). Although OCZ has recently released some questionable PSUs (not up to their former reputation), that 400W model does look very solid, and that price is excellent. Seasonic also makes some nice low-power units that are 80+ bronze, as are the new Antec Earthwatts.
    I wouldn't hesitate to buy that OCZ though. I'd buy one on impulse at that price; if there were a CompUSA near me, I'd go there after work right now.
  35. ok what about this one they don't have the 27.99 one any more so i'm thinking this one and this is my last bet before i just order one from newegg

    http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4362114&CatId=4294

    EDIT

    nevermind they are online only items
  36. anybody have anything against me ordering the PSU that BDDazza linked?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341029
  37. Quote:

    What do you think of the "500W" version of the OCZ StealthXStream that I linked above? would you pay the an addtional $7 for it opposed to the 400W version.


    I wish I could remember where, so I could link it, but I read a number of comments a week or so ago that suggested the more consumer-oriented OCZ PSUs have cut some corners on component quality, notably the capacitors. Feel free to call me on it, since I don't have the link, but I would not buy one that hasn't been dissected in a competent technical review. I'd be concerned that it would start out just fine, but might have problems down the road. I wouldn't call them crappy without evidence (and they do have active PFC and 80+ cert), but there are too many other known good ones I'd prefer to buy.

    Edit: Be careful with a recertified unit. It may very well arrive with no power cord or mounting screws. You may not care, but just in case...
  38. For $50 what psu would you get?
  39. For $39, the Antec 380W Earthwatts: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

    The 400W Corsair mentioned earlier is $50: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008 (not counting a $10 MIR if you play the rebate game and win)
  40. Will my setup run fine on that 400w cosair? And if so how much power do you think I have to spare?
  41. Thanks for all your help guys I think I have a better understanding of all the components and now I'm going to read reviews and pick out all the pieces

    I'll post my completed system here once I decide on all the parts
  42. My Final Set-up what does everyone think?

    PSU and GPU Combo
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.319270
    Mobo and CPU Combo
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.315856
    Current Memory
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188

    Since i already have that exact memory the total came out to $330 and some change so I was able to stay inside my $350 price range

    once again thanks for all of your help
  43. err the 9800GT is morel like a 5670 (or GT 240) eh rather than what some of the others have been saying, but yeah if that is the best you can do it looks good

  44. theholylancer said:
    err the 9800GT is morel like a 5670 (or GT 240) eh rather than what some of the others have been saying, but yeah if that is the best you can do it looks good




    but the 9800GT is better than the HD 4670 I was planning on ordering right? it's a good deal with the PSU but i figure parts can always be changed

    just keep in mind i'm going to this set-up from this:
    2Ghz Pentium 4 (400mhz FSB)
    1Gig (2 x 512Mb) DDR pc3200
    Visiontek ATI 9250 128Mb GPU

    so i'm sure the new set up will blow my mind!

    I'm more of a laptop person so i never really invested in a desktop this will be the first real investment in one
  45. alright last change new GPU / PSU
    GPU
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102824&Tpk=100245HDMI
    PSU
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016

    edit:

    comes out to be a few $$ cheaper than the combo deal above
  46. try this, this is more than enough power if you stayed with one card:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029&cm_re=psu-_-17-371-029-_-Product

    or

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033&cm_re=psu-_-17-371-033-_-Product

    40 dollars (the earth watts is a known nice line, not sure about the other one, but hey it's antec so it should provide the rated power)

    + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131331 for $130 5750 $170 total price

    or to stay within the combo price

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150351 for $120 makes them $160 total 4850
  47. Quote:
    I would take the ATI 5750 over the 4850 becase its slightly faster, runs a lot cooler and supports DX11.

    So the 5750 + Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W get my vote, if those are the chioces.


    alright so the antec 400W and the 5750 bring my total to a little over $360 i guess that can still be considered in my price range!

    Once again thanks everybody!
  48. yeah, that's what I was thinking while the ocz thing up there is a 500w piece, it costs 20 dollars more and it still can't handle sli/crossfire that well, so why not drop to a 400w and then a 5750?

    the extra room there is nice if you are going for a 5 or 6 hard drive setup or something weird, but I don't think the OP has that many other stuff

    however, it would raise the total price to 340 instead of 330, but it would still be within the 350 budget.
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