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November 5, 2009 8:28:01 AM

I'm pretty shure this has already been posted somewhere in the forum but let's write it Once and For All.

Many people come up saying HD 5770 is a stupid card, that ATI made no improvement apart from adding DX11 and eyeinfinity and that HD4870 is a much better deal.

Now to make things clear.
HD4870 = High end Card
HD5770= Mid range card.

I think this quite says it all, but some people need extra intel

The HD 5770 is a replacement for the HD 4770, the dx10 mid range card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

If you mind checking the HD 4770 benchie at the end of the testchart, you will CLEARLY see that YES, ATI DID improve.

Something else, the HD4870 runs at 256bits while the HD 5770 runs at 128. And at only 128, it reaches the performance of a 256. I think it's already quite enough saying that this card is beast.

Also, the Crossfire capabilities of this cards are....incredible.
As you can see, the HD5770 reach around 100% scalability (this means, you get 1 right now, wait 1 year and the price will drop to at least 100$, and you have something between HD5850 and HD5870)
It's simply incredible.

One last thing that I will NEVER STRESS HARD ENOUGH :
You people are comparing a HD4870, fully tweacked, with the latest drivers VS a HD5770 AT NATIVE DRIVER
Do I even have to remind how driver updates are important? there's a reason why they make a new driver every month.


Bottom line is :
HD 5770 IS a upgrade. I saw many fanboys saying that HD5770 is just a HD4870 so ATI is just stealing your money for the "vaporware" dx11 (CURRENTLY inexistant. CURRENTLY.)
That wouldv mislead MANY people, So I had to write this thread.
No people. a HD 5770 is a MID range card. It was NOT meant to overperform a HD4870 TO START WITH, since it is not aimed at the highend market. But funny thing is, at native driver, it still outperform a HD4870 in many games :) 
Bottom line? Quit hating.

[EDIT] Forgot to mention THE most important thing.
Not only is this card Same/Better then HD4870 (even tho it was meant to be better then a HD4770.)
But it is also more power efficient, and produce less heat then it's high end counterpart (I don't mention it's REAL counterpart, because it's simply TOO MUCH of an upgrade to even talk about.)
So what ELSE do you have to say? (because haters ALWAYS have something to say...seriously..)

More about : make clear

a c 130 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 8:41:33 AM

Now we can link to this thread whenever there are disputes.

Also, mention power/heat!
November 5, 2009 8:42:39 AM

OH CRAP I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT!!!
THANKS!

By the way, did you like the fancy name of this thread? :) 
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November 5, 2009 12:22:01 PM

weird... no hating comment? o.o
thats a first...
a c 271 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 12:39:59 PM

Or just lack of interest in another opinionated thread perhaps?
a c 144 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 12:47:15 PM

from my point of view some people expecting 5770 will be another 4770. like 4770 maybe they're expecting 5770 performance should be near to 5850 (or with a little OC the performance will be on par with 5850). for 4870 performance the card should be called 5670. 5770 didn't accomplish what 4770 did back then so that's why people are disappointed. just my opinion though :kaola: 
November 5, 2009 12:53:00 PM

4770 was, in dual GPU, overperformed a HD4850.
Here, HD 5770 in dual GPU, CLEARLY overperform a HD5850. it goes on par with HD5870. So I dont think that is quite right.

Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear :) 
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?
a c 271 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 12:59:49 PM

bboynatural said:
Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear :) 
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?

No, it's your opinion that people should choose one card over the other even though many people have different factors to consider before buying any card and your opinion on which is best most likely will have no bearing on their final decision.
November 5, 2009 1:01:52 PM

And where did I say HEY YOU MUST GET THAT CARD?

This whole post was about proving that HD 5770 was an upgrade, and that people should STOP comparing it to the HD 4870

If I recall, the bottom line is "quit hating", not "get HD5770"
So, It's facts, not opinion. :) 
a c 144 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 1:11:35 PM

bboynatural said:
4770 was, in dual GPU, overperformed a HD4850.
Here, HD 5770 in dual GPU, CLEARLY overperform a HD5850. it goes on par with HD5870. So I dont think that is quite right.

Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear :) 
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?


don't bring up dual GPU solution. last time a SINGLE 4770 performs nearly to a SINGLE 4850. in my opinion people also want a SINGLE 5770 performs nearly to a SINGLE 5850. in other words the card only regarded as 5770 if its performs nearly to 5850
November 5, 2009 1:21:33 PM

Even If I dont bring up Dual GPU solutions (wich is one of the main attract of midrange cards overtime, this is why toms review is called "4770 in crossfire:unbeatable at 220$)

If I recall, HD 4770 was released 28 august 2009...wich is ONE YEAR after the HD4850.

It had fairly grown drivers, comparing it to the HD 5770vsHD 5850 is not fair. Your comparing 12 driver updates vs native driver. Big difference don't you think so?

I think we will have to wait for further drivers, and eventually the HD 5700 serie will have lots of corrections. I mean, the crossfire scalability is far too impressive, it looks ALOT like a driver problem for single GPU. Driver really might be the only thing to blame her
a c 144 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 1:31:10 PM

i think you don't understand what my points are. well nvm :p 
November 5, 2009 1:33:45 PM

renz496 said:
i think you don't understand what my points are. well nvm :p 


NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different
a c 271 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 1:37:37 PM

bboynatural said:
NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different

Speaking of time lines, the 4770 was released in April not August.
November 5, 2009 1:40:37 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Speaking of time lines, the 4770 was released in April not August.



..... yes and....?
It still one year after the HD 4850, wich was released the 25 june 2008. Even if it was released on april (because the dates I saw on most sites is still august), it's still 10 driver updates... So what exactly was your points?
facts, all facts yes. If I post a thread, I make sure that it's only facts sir.
Wich is why most of my thread end in flaming and trolling. That's what happen when people got nothing to say :) 
a c 271 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 1:48:00 PM

The devil is in the detail, if you are claiming this thread only contains facts then you should really check all of them including release dates, it's not like it was along time ago or anything.
a c 144 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 1:49:54 PM

bboynatural said:
NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different


for a moment take a look on 4770, 4850, 5770 and 5850 specification, you might understand what i'm trying to say. and i don't think that 5770 will ever reach 5850 performance wise even with driver update.
November 5, 2009 1:51:35 PM

Mousemonkey said:
The devil is in the detail, if you are claiming this thread only contains facts then you should really check all of them including release dates, it's not like it was along time ago or anything.



.. dude seriously I don't understand what do you mean.
Can you just post it PLEASE? O.o
The HD 4770 was released one year after the HD 4850, thats all there is need to know. what EXACTLY do you mean? O.O
November 5, 2009 2:07:32 PM

renz496 said:
for a moment take a look on 4770, 4850, 5770 and 5850 specification, you might understand what i'm trying to say. and i don't think that 5770 will ever reach 5850 performance wise even with driver update.



Your just making write and waste my time.... :(  But yeah I will do it since people will have to read it to understand.

HD 4850 : 55NM,800 Stream processor, 16 ROPs, 19.3Gpixels/sec, 40/40 adres/filtering.
HD 4770 (same order.) : 40NM,640StreamP,8 ROPs, 6Gpixels/sec, 32/32

HD 5770 : 40NM, 800 SP, 16 ROPs, 13.6 GPixels/sec, 40/40
HD 5850 : 40NM, 1440 SP, 32 Rops, 32 Rops, 23.2Gpixels/sec, couldnt find the adres/filtering but it aint important.

Yes the difference is a little more here, but it's still around the same. If we take care only of the stream processor, it's a difference of 1.25 in the 4000serie vs a difference of 1.8 in the new serie. Not THAT big isnt it?

So yes, a HD 5770 with updated driver CLEARLY have the potential of reaching a HD 5850, just like the HD4770 did with HD4850 (reaching =/= SAME performance. It means just a little difference.). The difference will be SLIGHTLY bigger then the 4000serie, but it will still fairly reach it.

Did you take time to check the specs yourself before telling me to...?
a c 144 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 2:48:27 PM

4770 performs nearly to 4850 thanks to some of its spec like its GDDR5 + 128bit memory interface vs GDDR3 (some boards using GDDR4) + 256 bit memory interface on 4850. but this time both 5770 (128bit) and 5850 (256bit) applying GDDR5. therefore the performance margin are bigger between 5770 and 5850 compared to 4770 with 4850
November 5, 2009 2:57:28 PM

thats a little ... cliche....

GTX 260 has DDR3 memory..and it still performs better then HD 4870 wich is GDDR5...
So no your point doesnt work....

the memory type is not important. It is important for things that need to be stocked, like high resolutions and things like that... but here, the HD5770 vs HD5850 seem to keep the same "ratio" at any given resolution... wich means the difference will only be seen at higher, nonused resolutions.
My point still stand, firm and still.
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 3:10:39 PM

Another useless thread....

Who said that the 5770 was a stupid card? Weak? Yes but only because they are 128bit... bad move on AMD's part....

And as far as the 5770 reaching the 5850 with a future driver update? That is a wack assumption since the 5850's spec's are almost double. IMO the 5770's are stickly for HTPC's, unless you xfire 2 of them, but then you would be wasting your money since dual 5770's will cost you around 350.00$+ and that normally means you are better off with a single 5870.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

BTW, in most games a single 5850 will smash dual 5770's in xfire... IMO the 5770's are overpriced, they should be in the 149.99$ arena... Other than that they are fine...

The assumption of the 5770 comming close to a 5850 with a driver update makes no sense since the 5850 will have an updated driver as well and that will make both cards even farther apart. If you would have said the 5770 with updated drivers vs. a 5850 with old drivers then it would make more sense...
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 3:13:31 PM

Wow...

I see no reason to argue the pointlessness of this thread.. as it certainly has that in spades.. Stay in school folks. Subjective <> Objective, Oppinion <> Fact, and talking out of the hole in your backside <> having a bloody clue what you are talking about.

This is golden though:

"So yes, a HD 5770 with updated driver CLEARLY have the potential of reaching a HD 5850"

I assume you mean reaching the 4870... Otherwise we realise that the 5850 will also have the same driver updates, and that the 5850 and 5770 were released on the same driver release (9.10)? /facepalm

The only dissapointment people have had with the 5770 is that given its specs they expected it to be a tad faster than the 4870, even the 4890 (though given the bus that is unlikely). People questioned why they put such a small bus on there.. etc etc. Noone hates the card. There is a large gap between the 5850 and 5770 is all people are on about.. Which I say again.. is not going anywhere unless you are on acid, or they release another card (which they will)


That beign said, I am sick of people throwing around GDDR5 vs GDDR3 as if it matters... The entire bandwidth is what is important. That is a function of speed and the size of the bus.. GDDR5 is faster than GDDR3, but if you only put it on a bus that is half the size the performance difference is zero.. (Power and cost savings aside). Duh comes to mind..
November 5, 2009 3:49:25 PM

Ovrclckr, refrain from useless comments thank you very much.

Who said the HD5770 was stupid? how about the first one who said it, andysomething. The day it was released. Now it is used by MANY ati haters. keep it low thank you. :) 

that a HD5770 reach a HD5850? Yes that was a speculation since the difference is AROUND (AROUND!) the same as the HD4770/4850, and as you can see, the HD4770 had near (PRETTY NEAR) the same performances as 4850 amirite? But yes that is a SPECULATION dont even BOTHER answering to this thank you VERY MUCH. :) 

HD 5770 are for HTPC? Maybe. But when a MID RANGE (MID RANGE. THIS.IS.NOT.A.HIGH.END.CARD.IT.IS.NOT.MEANT.FOR.PERFORMANCE.GAMING.)
reach the performances of a HD4870 wich was a HIGH END CARD and wich is still VERY POPULAR, but also bring DX11 and eyeinfinity, with better power/noise/heat control, I think it will please most of the gamers out there.
Oh and, no xfiring them is not stupid mister I know everything. Most of the ppl that buy mid range cards AND consider xfire will USUALLY buy the second card quite a few time later, thus meaning the price would have dropped. :) 

Oh and IN MOST GAMES HD5850 will SMASH HD5770crossfire?

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18

Same performance as a HD5850.

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/14
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/19
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/15
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/17

Same performance as HD5870. Also beat it at HAWX. Point.

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/16
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/20
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/21

And the most beautifull for last -> SAME PERFORMANCE AS HD5870 CROSSFIRE.


Look man I do realize you hate me :) 
But still, PLEASE dont make USELESS,POINTLESS,STUPID comments.
Dont assume sh!t witouth ANYTHING to back you up, you will just get dissed by me and end up looking totaly blanked. :) 
Thank you for saying my thread was pointless tho :) 

Oh last thing, for the price, how about you wait the HD4870 is EOL? Maybe then ATI can finally drop the price to the real level. No company like losing money right? So that's not an argument. Even at 180$, it is a BIG competition since it offers many new things compared to a 167$ HD4870.

Also at daedalus, the HD5770 MIGHT REACH (REACH! NEVERHAVE THE SAME) the same performances as HD5850 was a SPECULATION dont hate about it thank you. As you can see, it doesnt need to REACH the HD4870, I think it's pretty much the same. Also, the difference in ratio between raw power is 1.8x. The HD4770 vs HD4850 was 1.25x. So yes I think it's quite fair to believe that there is a driver problem and that we will see HD5770 getting around 10~ fps less then HD5850 hopefully. Remeber that HD4770 only had 3~5 FPS less then HD4850. BUT THATS ONLY SPECULATION PLEASE DONT BOTHER ANSWERING THAT.

Ovrclkr thank you for your...useless...comment :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 3:56:44 PM

This makes no sense :

Now to make things clear.
HD4870 = High end Card
HD5770= Mid range card.

The 4870 is more or less the same as GTX 260, give or take. As far as I know the GTX 260 is a midrange GPU. The GTX 275 is mid-high and anything above that is HIGH-END

Taking that into consideration, the 4870 is a midrange GPU. The 4890 is mid-high and the 4870x2 is considered HIGH-END..

5750/5770 = Midrange
5850/5870 = High End
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:01:24 PM

All I can say is that im looking forward to getting home from work so I can have a more intelectual experience with my cat..

Rather than point out why you are blatantly on some other realm of reality, I'm going to give you these links:

http://dictionary.reference.com/
http://www.wikipedia.org/

Now, I want you to look up the following words:

Assumption
Oppinion
Subjective
Objective
Reach
Similar
Equivalent
Speculation
ratio
difference

Once you are comfortable using those words I can start to explain how using the phrase "difference in ratio between " makes my eyes bleed.

Perhaps you would be better suited then, to understand why the 5850 vs 5770 is not at all the same as the 4850 vs 4770. Some points to consider would be comparing memory subsystems (which were equivalent on the 4's, where as the 5850 has twice teh bus width of a 5770), comparing the cores, and THEN looking at the clocks. By the way, 640/800 = .8 where as 800/1440 = .5556. So not only is the 5850 far larger than a 5770, it has twice the memory bandwidth...



November 5, 2009 4:13:28 PM

OvrClkr said:
This makes no sense :

Now to make things clear.
HD4870 = High end Card
HD5770= Mid range card.

The 4870 is more or less the same as GTX 260, give or take. As far as I know the GTX 260 is a midrange GPU. The GTX 275 is mid-high and anything above that is HIGH-END

Taking that into consideration, the 4870 is a midrange GPU. The 4890 is mid-high and the 4870x2 is considered HIGH-END..

5750/5770 = Midrange
5850/5870 = High End



Look when you don't know what your saying, don't say anything. AskANYONE here if a HD4870 is a high end card and I think the answer youl get will give you a heartattack.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=...

I REALLY dont want to bring up the 921038091 sites that says the same thing thank you.
YOU don't make any sense.

and at daedalus, I would like you to be less ironic thank you. You could be alittle more polite you know.
As for the memory bandwidth, I did not know about this one and thank you (even tho You did it in a pretty ugly way) for pointing that out.
I still maintain my specualtion that the HD5770 might have a boost of performance with future drivers. Maybe not reach HD5850, but as I showed, it is a midrange card and should NOT be compared in No way with a high end card. My speculation was based on my own understanding, wich the memory bandwidth was not part off.
And I know my words thank you very much. But ANYWAY this thread is not about the HD5850 vs HD5770, it's about HD5770 vs HD4870, thank you for pointing out my mistake, but move on and if your gonna answer on that, just don't answer :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:14:46 PM

bboynatural said:
Ovrclckr, refrain from useless comments thank you very much.

Who said the HD5770 was stupid? how about the first one who said it, andysomething. The day it was released. Now it is used by MANY ati haters. keep it low thank you. :) 

that a HD5770 reach a HD5850? Yes that was a speculation since the difference is AROUND (AROUND!) the same as the HD4770/4850, and as you can see, the HD4770 had near (PRETTY NEAR) the same performances as 4850 amirite? But yes that is a SPECULATION dont even BOTHER answering to this thank you VERY MUCH. :) 

HD 5770 are for HTPC? Maybe. But when a MID RANGE (MID RANGE. THIS.IS.NOT.A.HIGH.END.CARD.IT.IS.NOT.MEANT.FOR.PERFORMANCE.GAMING.)
reach the performances of a HD4870 wich was a HIGH END CARD and wich is still VERY POPULAR, but also bring DX11 and eyeinfinity, with better power/noise/heat control, I think it will please most of the gamers out there.
Oh and, no xfiring them is not stupid mister I know everything. Most of the ppl that buy mid range cards AND consider xfire will USUALLY buy the second card quite a few time later, thus meaning the price would have dropped. :) 

Oh and IN MOST GAMES HD5850 will SMASH HD5770crossfire?

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18

Same performance as a HD5850.

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/14
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/19
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/15
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/17

Same performance as HD5870. Also beat it at HAWX. Point.

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/16
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/20
http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/21

And the most beautifull for last -> SAME PERFORMANCE AS HD5870 CROSSFIRE.


Look man I do realize you hate me :) 
But still, PLEASE dont make USELESS,POINTLESS,STUPID comments.
Dont assume sh!t witouth ANYTHING to back you up, you will just get dissed by me and end up looking totaly blanked. :) 
Thank you for saying my thread was pointless tho :) 

Oh last thing, for the price, how about you wait the HD4870 is EOL? Maybe then ATI can finally drop the price to the real level. No company like losing money right? So that's not an argument. Even at 180$, it is a BIG competition since it offers many new things compared to a 167$ HD4870.

Also at daedalus, the HD5770 MIGHT REACH (REACH! NEVERHAVE THE SAME) the same performances as HD5850 was a SPECULATION dont hate about it thank you. As you can see, it doesnt need to REACH the HD4870, I think it's pretty much the same. Also, the difference in ratio between raw power is 1.8x. The HD4770 vs HD4850 was 1.25x. So yes I think it's quite fair to believe that there is a driver problem and that we will see HD5770 getting around 10~ fps less then HD5850 hopefully. Remeber that HD4770 only had 3~5 FPS less then HD4850. BUT THATS ONLY SPECULATION PLEASE DONT BOTHER ANSWERING THAT.

Ovrclkr thank you for your...useless...comment :) 


Your links are contradicting what you are posting.. I said most games. Not all.... Second if 2 or 3 peeps said that the 5770 is a stupid card and you got all upset about then I feel bad for you. Stupid is a childish word, it is obvious that the card can hold it's own when you compare them to similiar priced cards.

Another thing that I see which is a FAIL is you comparing the 4770/4850 to 5770/5850... What are you trying to prove? We have seen the benches and know what each can achieve, but dont assume that since the 4770 only had 3-5 FPS less than the 4850 you can say the same thing when comparing the 5770 to the 5850. You are comparing apples to oranges, and NO the 5770 will not stand a chance vs. the 5850 since both GPU's will have updated drivers meaning they both will have a bump in performance.

Look dude, I don't hate you. Never did, my point on your FERMI thread was "Let's give Nvidia a chance to show us something" and of course you took it the wrong way when in fact I TOLD YOU that maybe there was a misunderstanding and that if you have a right to post your point of view then I should have the same right. I don't see us going anywhere by arguing over stupid things, I apologize if I came on to you as disrespectfull as it may have seemed. There will be things that you post that I do not agree with and vice versa. Lets just keep it cool from now on. You do post alot of good stuff here on Tom's, but you also have a bad temper and both of those do not mix.


a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:27:18 PM

bboynatural said:
Look when you don't know what your saying, don't say anything. AskANYONE here if a HD4870 is a high end card and I think the answer youl get will give you a heartattack.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=...

I REALLY dont want to bring up the 921038091 sites that says the same thing thank you.
YOU don't make any sense.

and at daedalus, I would like you to be less ironic thank you. You could be alittle more polite you know.
As for the memory bandwidth, I did not know about this one and thank you (even tho You did it in a pretty ugly way) for pointing that out.
I still maintain my specualtion that the HD5770 might have a boost of performance with future drivers. Maybe not reach HD5850, but as I showed, it is a midrange card and should NOT be compared in No way with a high end card. My speculation was based on my own understanding, wich the memory bandwidth was not part off.
And I know my words thank you very much. But ANYWAY this thread is not about the HD5850 vs HD5770, it's about HD5770 vs HD4870, thank you for pointing out my mistake, but move on and if your gonna answer on that, just don't answer :) 


Personally I think the 4870 and GTX 260 are mid-range cards. Of course when they came out that was a diffferent story. Time goes by, new GPU's emerge, so that is what bumbs them down from high-end to mid-range. If you really think a 4870 is a HIGH-END GPU, technically, then I respect your point of view. To me it was a HIGH-END GPU till the 4870x2 and 4890 dropped, and now more mid-range than ever since the 5850 and 5870.

November 5, 2009 4:38:13 PM

OvrClkr said:
Personally I think the 4870 and GTX 260 are mid-range cards. Of course when they came out that was a diffferent story. Time goes by, new GPU's emerge, so that is what bumbs them down from high-end to mid-range. If you really think a 4870 is a HIGH-END GPU, technically, then I respect your point of view. To me it was a HIGH-END GPU till the 4870x2 and 4890 dropped, and now more mid-range than ever since the 5850 and 5870.


Yeah I guess we started bad.. My bad D:

But yeah, the 5770/5850 was pretty stupid, I went a little too optimistic.

But you said dont compare apples to orange right?
Well this is the problem around this card, and why its underated.
People compare a 128bits (MID RANGE in nvidia and ati marketing) against a 256bits (High end) and then say that HD5770 is not an imporvement. this is FALSE, because it is a CLEAR improvement from the last 128 (MIDRANGE) card.
Not only doe it come with the SAME performance as 4870, but it also have new features, excelent crossfireX and less requirements. This is why I believe people are being badmouthed. Also, it's way more then 2 or 3 guys..thers ALOT of them. This comparaison is now used by fanboys to trash ATI.

Also for the games...
I showed every game in the benchmark.... you can check...none is missing..and in all of them, the crossfire is more then awesome. never HD5850 beats the 5770CF..
a c 130 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:45:09 PM

Is this a flame or a controlled argument heated discussion? No personal insults please!

-The mod I wish I was
a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:45:56 PM

Yea, I guess in high res situations the 5770's in xfire are superior. I was going by other links that posted otherwise. I see your point, but do not understand the pricing on those 5770's. They are basically priced the same as a 4890. What would you rather get, dual 5770's or a single 5850? Taking into consideration that you can add another 5850 down the road?
November 5, 2009 4:53:48 PM

True that the pricing have shocked many.
But ati is a company right XD
If they price the 5770 same as HD4870, then NO ONE will have any interest in a inferior card for the same price.
They have to wait for the 4870 to be EOL, and then the 5770 will eventually drop to much more appreciated prices.
Of course the crossfiring is interesting after a year, even 6 months when the prices will drop by at least 100$ (adn they will.)
but yeh its true that currently, the pricing is not the force of this card, even the 5750 looks far more interesting XD
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