Let's make it clear

[bboynatural]

I'm pretty shure this has already been posted somewhere in the forum but let's write it Once and For All.

Many people come up saying HD 5770 is a stupid card, that ATI made no improvement apart from adding DX11 and eyeinfinity and that HD4870 is a much better deal.

Now to make things clear.
HD4870 = High end Card
HD5770= Mid range card.

I think this quite says it all, but some people need extra intel

The HD 5770 is a replacement for the HD 4770, the dx10 mid range card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-8.html

If you mind checking the HD 4770 benchie at the end of the testchart, you will CLEARLY see that YES, ATI DID improve.

Something else, the HD4870 runs at 256bits while the HD 5770 runs at 128. And at only 128, it reaches the performance of a 256. I think it's already quite enough saying that this card is beast.

Also, the Crossfire capabilities of this cards are....incredible.
As you can see, the HD5770 reach around 100% scalability (this means, you get 1 right now, wait 1 year and the price will drop to at least 100$, and you have something between HD5850 and HD5870)
It's simply incredible.

One last thing that I will NEVER STRESS HARD ENOUGH :
You people are comparing a HD4870, fully tweacked, with the latest drivers VS a HD5770 AT NATIVE DRIVER
Do I even have to remind how driver updates are important? there's a reason why they make a new driver every month.


Bottom line is :
HD 5770 IS a upgrade. I saw many fanboys saying that HD5770 is just a HD4870 so ATI is just stealing your money for the "vaporware" dx11 (CURRENTLY inexistant. CURRENTLY.)
That wouldv mislead MANY people, So I had to write this thread.
No people. a HD 5770 is a MID range card. It was NOT meant to overperform a HD4870 TO START WITH, since it is not aimed at the highend market. But funny thing is, at native driver, it still outperform a HD4870 in many games
Bottom line? Quit hating.

[EDIT] Forgot to mention THE most important thing.
Not only is this card Same/Better then HD4870 (even tho it was meant to be better then a HD4770.)
But it is also more power efficient, and produce less heat then it's high end counterpart (I don't mention it's REAL counterpart, because it's simply TOO MUCH of an upgrade to even talk about.)
So what ELSE do you have to say? (because haters ALWAYS have something to say...seriously..)

 

[shadow187]

Now we can link to this thread whenever there are disputes.

Also, mention power/heat!

 

[bboynatural]

OH CRAP I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT!!!
THANKS!

By the way, did you like the fancy name of this thread?

 

[bboynatural]

weird... no hating comment? o.o
thats a first...

 

[Mousemonkey]

Or just lack of interest in another opinionated thread perhaps?

 

[renz496]

from my point of view some people expecting 5770 will be another 4770. like 4770 maybe they're expecting 5770 performance should be near to 5850 (or with a little OC the performance will be on par with 5850). for 4870 performance the card should be called 5670. 5770 didn't accomplish what 4770 did back then so that's why people are disappointed. just my opinion though

 

[bboynatural]

4770 was, in dual GPU, overperformed a HD4850.
Here, HD 5770 in dual GPU, CLEARLY overperform a HD5850. it goes on par with HD5870. So I dont think that is quite right.

Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?

No, it's your opinion that people should choose one card over the other even though many people have different factors to consider before buying any card and your opinion on which is best most likely will have no bearing on their final decision.

 

[bboynatural]

And where did I say HEY YOU MUST GET THAT CARD?

This whole post was about proving that HD 5770 was an upgrade, and that people should STOP comparing it to the HD 4870

If I recall, the bottom line is "quit hating", not "get HD5770"
So, It's facts, not opinion.

 

[renz496]

4770 was, in dual GPU, overperformed a HD4850.
Here, HD 5770 in dual GPU, CLEARLY overperform a HD5850. it goes on par with HD5870. So I dont think that is quite right.

Also at mouse, opinionated?
I see only facts here dear
Maybe you see opinions because of your lack of objective thinking?

don't bring up dual GPU solution. last time a SINGLE 4770 performs nearly to a SINGLE 4850. in my opinion people also want a SINGLE 5770 performs nearly to a SINGLE 5850. in other words the card only regarded as 5770 if its performs nearly to 5850

 

[bboynatural]

Even If I dont bring up Dual GPU solutions (wich is one of the main attract of midrange cards overtime, this is why toms review is called "4770 in crossfire:unbeatable at 220$)

If I recall, HD 4770 was released 28 august 2009...wich is ONE YEAR after the HD4850.

It had fairly grown drivers, comparing it to the HD 5770vsHD 5850 is not fair. Your comparing 12 driver updates vs native driver. Big difference don't you think so?

I think we will have to wait for further drivers, and eventually the HD 5700 serie will have lots of corrections. I mean, the crossfire scalability is far too impressive, it looks ALOT like a driver problem for single GPU. Driver really might be the only thing to blame her

 

[Mousemonkey]

Radeon HD 4770 Benchmarked, Due Out on April 28, AMD ATI Radeon HD 4770 Review
Facts remember, it's all facts and just facts.

 

[renz496]

i think you don't understand what my points are. well nvm

 

[bboynatural]

Radeon HD 4770 Benchmarked, Due Out on April 28, AMD ATI Radeon HD 4770 Review
Facts remember, it's all facts and just facts.

....
Yes, what do you mean..??
These are HD 4770 reviews thank you...
and?

 

[bboynatural]

i think you don't understand what my points are. well nvm

NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different

 

[Mousemonkey]

NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different

Speaking of time lines, the 4770 was released in April not August.

 

[bboynatural]

Speaking of time lines, the 4770 was released in April not August.

..... yes and....?
It still one year after the HD 4850, wich was released the 25 june 2008. Even if it was released on april (because the dates I saw on most sites is still august), it's still 10 driver updates... So what exactly was your points?
facts, all facts yes. If I post a thread, I make sure that it's only facts sir.
Wich is why most of my thread end in flaming and trolling. That's what happen when people got nothing to say

 

[Mousemonkey]

The devil is in the detail, if you are claiming this thread only contains facts then you should really check all of them including release dates, it's not like it was along time ago or anything.

 

[renz496]

NONO I do understand...
But I mean, the HD 4770 was released ONE YEAR AFTER THE HD 4850. It had 12 driver updates.
The HD 5770 was out ONE MONTH after HD 5850. It has 1 driver update.
driver update ARE IMPORTANT. they DO UPGRADE PERFORMANCES.
So even if people THINK like that, it's a bad way of thinking. In one year, the HD 5770 will PROBABLY reach the HD5850.

Your point is REAL, but not a good way of thinking, since here the timeline is different

for a moment take a look on 4770, 4850, 5770 and 5850 specification, you might understand what i'm trying to say. and i don't think that 5770 will ever reach 5850 performance wise even with driver update.

 

[bboynatural]

The devil is in the detail, if you are claiming this thread only contains facts then you should really check all of them including release dates, it's not like it was along time ago or anything.

.. dude seriously I don't understand what do you mean.
Can you just post it PLEASE?
The HD 4770 was released one year after the HD 4850, thats all there is need to know. what EXACTLY do you mean? O.O

 

[bboynatural]

for a moment take a look on 4770, 4850, 5770 and 5850 specification, you might understand what i'm trying to say. and i don't think that 5770 will ever reach 5850 performance wise even with driver update.

Your just making write and waste my time.... But yeah I will do it since people will have to read it to understand.

HD 4850 : 55NM,800 Stream processor, 16 ROPs, 19.3Gpixels/sec, 40/40 adres/filtering.
HD 4770 (same order.) : 40NM,640StreamP,8 ROPs, 6Gpixels/sec, 32/32

HD 5770 : 40NM, 800 SP, 16 ROPs, 13.6 GPixels/sec, 40/40
HD 5850 : 40NM, 1440 SP, 32 Rops, 32 Rops, 23.2Gpixels/sec, couldnt find the adres/filtering but it aint important.

Yes the difference is a little more here, but it's still around the same. If we take care only of the stream processor, it's a difference of 1.25 in the 4000serie vs a difference of 1.8 in the new serie. Not THAT big isnt it?

So yes, a HD 5770 with updated driver CLEARLY have the potential of reaching a HD 5850, just like the HD4770 did with HD4850 (reaching =/= SAME performance. It means just a little difference.). The difference will be SLIGHTLY bigger then the 4000serie, but it will still fairly reach it.

Did you take time to check the specs yourself before telling me to...?

 

[renz496]

4770 performs nearly to 4850 thanks to some of its spec like its GDDR5 + 128bit memory interface vs GDDR3 (some boards using GDDR4) + 256 bit memory interface on 4850. but this time both 5770 (128bit) and 5850 (256bit) applying GDDR5. therefore the performance margin are bigger between 5770 and 5850 compared to 4770 with 4850

 

[bboynatural]

thats a little ... cliche....

GTX 260 has DDR3 memory..and it still performs better then HD 4870 wich is GDDR5...
So no your point doesnt work....

the memory type is not important. It is important for things that need to be stocked, like high resolutions and things like that... but here, the HD5770 vs HD5850 seem to keep the same "ratio" at any given resolution... wich means the difference will only be seen at higher, nonused resolutions.
My point still stand, firm and still.

 

[OvrClkr]

Another useless thread....

Who said that the 5770 was a stupid card? Weak? Yes but only because they are 128bit... bad move on AMD's part....

And as far as the 5770 reaching the 5850 with a future driver update? That is a wack assumption since the 5850's spec's are almost double. IMO the 5770's are stickly for HTPC's, unless you xfire 2 of them, but then you would be wasting your money since dual 5770's will cost you around 350.00$+ and that normally means you are better off with a single 5870.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-7.html

BTW, in most games a single 5850 will smash dual 5770's in xfire... IMO the 5770's are overpriced, they should be in the 149.99$ arena... Other than that they are fine...

The assumption of the 5770 comming close to a 5850 with a driver update makes no sense since the 5850 will have an updated driver as well and that will make both cards even farther apart. If you would have said the 5770 with updated drivers vs. a 5850 with old drivers then it would make more sense...

 

[daedalus685]

Wow...

I see no reason to argue the pointlessness of this thread.. as it certainly has that in spades.. Stay in school folks. Subjective <> Objective, Oppinion <> Fact, and talking out of the hole in your backside <> having a bloody clue what you are talking about.

This is golden though:

"So yes, a HD 5770 with updated driver CLEARLY have the potential of reaching a HD 5850"

I assume you mean reaching the 4870... Otherwise we realise that the 5850 will also have the same driver updates, and that the 5850 and 5770 were released on the same driver release (9.10)? /facepalm

The only dissapointment people have had with the 5770 is that given its specs they expected it to be a tad faster than the 4870, even the 4890 (though given the bus that is unlikely). People questioned why they put such a small bus on there.. etc etc. Noone hates the card. There is a large gap between the 5850 and 5770 is all people are on about.. Which I say again.. is not going anywhere unless you are on acid, or they release another card (which they will)


That beign said, I am sick of people throwing around GDDR5 vs GDDR3 as if it matters... The entire bandwidth is what is important. That is a function of speed and the size of the bus.. GDDR5 is faster than GDDR3, but if you only put it on a bus that is half the size the performance difference is zero.. (Power and cost savings aside). Duh comes to mind..