PLEASE HELP ME, I'VE BEEN THROUGH 3 CARDS ALREADY RADEONS 4650, 4670, AND NOW I'M ON THE BFG ECO 9800GT STILL NOT HAPPY!
I have a Gateway DX4720-03. Right now I'm running a BFG Nvidia 1GB 9800 GT ECO. Its a 256 Bit card and it runs fairly well but I want more. The core clock on it is at 550, the shader is at 1375, and the memory clock is at 900. So its a good card but as you can see by the specs its not that fast. My problem is space. My Sata plugs are in the way, so I can't fit one of those big ass GTX260s, and up. The radeon 4870s, 4890s, and the 5800 series is to big as well. So far the only cards I have found that will fit and seem to be an improvement from my 9800gt are the (SAPHIRE 5770) and the (BFG NVIDIA GTS 250 OC). Here are specs from both cards. The GTS 250 is basically what I have now but overclocked much faster and its 256 bit. The 5770 is 128 bit but it has fast speeds as well and DDR5 memory with DX 11. I don't know the difference between the Sapphire's (800 STREAMING PROCESSOR UNITS) and the BFG 250's (128 STREAMING PROCESSORS). THE SAPPHIRE MEASURES IN UNITS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO EQUATE THE DIFFERENCE. Which is the better card?
(Brand SAPPHIRE)
Model 100283L
Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer ATI
GPU Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT)
Core Clock 850MHz
Stream Processors 800 Stream Processing Units
Memory Clock 1200MHz (4.8Gbps)
Memory Size 1GB
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Type GDDR5
3D API
DirectX DirectX 11
Ports
HDMI 1 x HDMI
DisplayPort 1 x DisplayPort
DVI 2 x DVI
General
RAMDAC 400 MHz
Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
CrossFire Supported Yes
Cooler With Fan
System Requirements 450 Watt or greater power supply with 1x 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended (600 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX Technology in dual mode)
Power Connector 6 Pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported Yes
HDCP Ready Yes
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(BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 OC 1GB PCIe 2.0)
GPU NVIDIA® GeForce® GTS 250
Core Clock 750MHz (vs. 738MHz standard)
Shader Clock 1836MHz
Shader Model 4.0
Texture Fill Rate 48 Billion/sec.
Stream Processors 128
Video Memory 1GB (1024MB)
Memory Type GDDR3
Memory Data Rate 2240MHz (vs. 2200MHz standard)
Memory Interface 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth 71.7GB/sec.
Connections
Bus Type PCI Express® 2.0
Display Connectors 2 Dual-Link DVI-I
RAMDACs Dual 400MHz
Multiple Monitor Support Yes
HDCP Capable Yes, Dual link (Requires other compatible components which are HDCP capable. Designed to meet the output protection management (HDCP) and security specifications of the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats, allowing the playback of encrypted movie content on PCs when connected to HDCP-compliant displays)
HDMI™ Capable Yes (Requires adapter and audio cable, sold separately)
NVIDIA® SLI® Support Yes, 2-Way & 3-Way
Included In Box
System Requirements
> 1GB of system memory
> CD or DVD-ROM drive
> 100MB of available hard disk drive space for basic driver installation
> Microsoft® Windows Vista™ or XP operating system (Windows Vista™ required 3-Way NVIDIA SLI®)
> PCI Express® or PCI Express® 2.0-compliant system motherboard with one vacant PCI Express® x16 slot
> One vacant add-in card slot below the PCI Express® x16 slot. This graphics card physically occupies two slots
> 475W PCI Express®-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more (Minimum system power requirement based on a PC configured with an Intel Core®2 Duo E6750 processor)
> One 6-pin PCI Express® supplementary power connector -or- Two 4-pin perhiperal supplementary power connectors
I'm not questioning your intelligance, I just want to make sure because the 5770 is only 128 bit and the 250 OC is 256? Maybe you could explain a little more for me. I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm just a ittle un sure because going from 128bit to a 256bit is a big difference.
@OP
HD5770 performs nearly / on par with HD4870 and GTX260. don't just looking on the memory bit alone you have to take other spec into factor as well.
Message edited by renz496 on 11-06-2009 at 05:54:25 AM
Like I said before I have waisted a lot of money trying to get the right card and I just want to be sure the 5770 is better. Maybe if I could see the two cards bench marked against eachother. I've had 2 ATI cards before and always had problems. I geuss I just prefer Nvidia.
I'm not questioning your intelligance, I just want to make sure because the 5770 is only 128 bit and the 250 OC is 256? Maybe you could explain a little more for me. I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm just a ittle un sure because going from 128bit to a 256bit is a big difference.
No offense taken as logic makes it sound like the 256 bit card should be better. The thing is there is much more to it than just that number that make it a more powerful card.
The first thing the bit depth (128 and 256 bit here) relates to is the memory speed. The GTS250 OC has a clock speed of 2240 mHz and the HD 5770 has a speed of 1200 at Quad data rate (a feature of GDDR5).
This gives the cards a bandwidth of:
GTS250 - 71.6 GB/s
HD 5770 - 76.8 GB/s
See how the HD 5770 even with less bit depth actually pushes more data per second than the GTS250?
As I mentioned though, there is even more to it than just this. You stated the processor units being different was confusing and you're right about that. On average, a ratio of 5:1 is how you compare nVidia units to ATi units but that's incredibly vague and not very helpful when really breaking things down.
it seems that you keep wanting more right? then save your money and when you have enough go straight for bigger upgrade. get bigger case, more powerful PSU and then get the best GPU available by the mean time.
i have this kind of dilemma in the past so i can understand it how is it to feel wanting more to be satisfied. it is better for you to check all the review and benchmark before making any decision on which card to get
A GTS250 is an Nvidia card. A 5770 is an ATI card. The two use completely different architecture so you can't really compare them with a single feature.
Also, a 5770 is a dx11 card meant to replace the 4870 1GB. The 4870 1GB is an equal to a GTX260 sp216. The GTX260, in turn is roughly an entire tier above the GTS250 (The GTS250 is the same card as a 9800GTX/GTX+)
4850 ~ 9800GTX/GTX+/GTS250 < 4870 ~ 5770 ~ GTX260
Message edited by Bluescreendeath on 11-06-2009 at 06:15:37 AM
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME I APPRECIATE IT. I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY BECAUSE THAT 5770 IS SMALL AND WILL FIT WITH ROOM TO SPARE. I JUST WANT A CARD THAT I WILL BE FAST AND ABLE TO PLAY THE GAMES THAT COME OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, YA KNOW? I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO RESERCH SOME MORE CARDS IN THE MEAN TIME. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
Personally I just got a GTX 275 MSI lightning 1792MB card and I love it. It eats anything I throw at it alive. Though I am considering the 5770 for a rig I am building my wife who doesn't game nearly as hard as me.