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BFG GTS 250 1GB OC VS. SAPHIRE 1GB ATI 5770

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November 6, 2009 2:37:06 AM

PLEASE HELP ME, I'VE BEEN THROUGH 3 CARDS ALREADY RADEONS 4650, 4670, AND NOW I'M ON THE BFG ECO 9800GT STILL NOT HAPPY!
I have a Gateway DX4720-03. Right now I'm running a BFG Nvidia 1GB 9800 GT ECO. Its a 256 Bit card and it runs fairly well but I want more. The core clock on it is at 550, the shader is at 1375, and the memory clock is at 900. So its a good card but as you can see by the specs its not that fast. My problem is space. My Sata plugs are in the way, so I can't fit one of those big ass GTX260s, and up. The radeon 4870s, 4890s, and the 5800 series is to big as well. So far the only cards I have found that will fit and seem to be an improvement from my 9800gt are the (SAPHIRE 5770) and the (BFG NVIDIA GTS 250 OC). Here are specs from both cards. The GTS 250 is basically what I have now but overclocked much faster and its 256 bit. The 5770 is 128 bit but it has fast speeds as well and DDR5 memory with DX 11. I don't know the difference between the Sapphire's (800 STREAMING PROCESSOR UNITS) and the BFG 250's (128 STREAMING PROCESSORS). THE SAPPHIRE MEASURES IN UNITS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO EQUATE THE DIFFERENCE. Which is the better card?

(Brand SAPPHIRE)
Model 100283L
Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer ATI
GPU Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT)
Core Clock 850MHz
Stream Processors 800 Stream Processing Units
Memory Clock 1200MHz (4.8Gbps)
Memory Size 1GB
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Type GDDR5
3D API
DirectX DirectX 11
Ports
HDMI 1 x HDMI
DisplayPort 1 x DisplayPort
DVI 2 x DVI
General
RAMDAC 400 MHz
Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
CrossFire Supported Yes
Cooler With Fan
System Requirements 450 Watt or greater power supply with 1x 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended (600 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX Technology in dual mode)
Power Connector 6 Pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported Yes
HDCP Ready Yes
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(BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 OC 1GB PCIe 2.0)
GPU NVIDIA® GeForce® GTS 250
Core Clock 750MHz (vs. 738MHz standard)
Shader Clock 1836MHz
Shader Model 4.0
Texture Fill Rate 48 Billion/sec.
Stream Processors 128
Video Memory 1GB (1024MB)
Memory Type GDDR3
Memory Data Rate 2240MHz (vs. 2200MHz standard)
Memory Interface 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth 71.7GB/sec.
Connections
Bus Type PCI Express® 2.0
Display Connectors 2 Dual-Link DVI-I
RAMDACs Dual 400MHz
Multiple Monitor Support Yes
HDCP Capable Yes, Dual link (Requires other compatible components which are HDCP capable. Designed to meet the output protection management (HDCP) and security specifications of the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats, allowing the playback of encrypted movie content on PCs when connected to HDCP-compliant displays)
HDMI™ Capable Yes (Requires adapter and audio cable, sold separately)
NVIDIA® SLI® Support Yes, 2-Way & 3-Way
Included In Box
System Requirements
> 1GB of system memory
> CD or DVD-ROM drive
> 100MB of available hard disk drive space for basic driver installation
> Microsoft® Windows Vista™ or XP operating system (Windows Vista™ required 3-Way NVIDIA SLI®)
> PCI Express® or PCI Express® 2.0-compliant system motherboard with one vacant PCI Express® x16 slot
> One vacant add-in card slot below the PCI Express® x16 slot. This graphics card physically occupies two slots
> 475W PCI Express®-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more (Minimum system power requirement based on a PC configured with an Intel Core®2 Duo E6750 processor)
> One 6-pin PCI Express® supplementary power connector -or- Two 4-pin perhiperal supplementary power connectors
a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2009 2:40:50 AM

The HD 5770 is the better card. Getter performance, uses less power, DX11...no contest.
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November 6, 2009 2:50:46 AM

I'm not questioning your intelligance, I just want to make sure because the 5770 is only 128 bit and the 250 OC is 256? Maybe you could explain a little more for me. I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm just a ittle un sure because going from 128bit to a 256bit is a big difference.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
November 6, 2009 2:51:26 AM

@ TheViper
you get that right mate.

@OP
HD5770 performs nearly / on par with HD4870 and GTX260. don't just looking on the memory bit alone you have to take other spec into factor as well. :) 
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November 6, 2009 2:59:37 AM

Like I said before I have waisted a lot of money trying to get the right card and I just want to be sure the 5770 is better. Maybe if I could see the two cards bench marked against eachother. I've had 2 ATI cards before and always had problems. I geuss I just prefer Nvidia.
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a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2009 3:08:06 AM

marcmd34 said:
I'm not questioning your intelligance, I just want to make sure because the 5770 is only 128 bit and the 250 OC is 256? Maybe you could explain a little more for me. I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm just a ittle un sure because going from 128bit to a 256bit is a big difference.

No offense taken as logic makes it sound like the 256 bit card should be better. The thing is there is much more to it than just that number that make it a more powerful card.


The first thing the bit depth (128 and 256 bit here) relates to is the memory speed. The GTS250 OC has a clock speed of 2240 mHz and the HD 5770 has a speed of 1200 at Quad data rate (a feature of GDDR5).

This gives the cards a bandwidth of:
GTS250 - 71.6 GB/s
HD 5770 - 76.8 GB/s


See how the HD 5770 even with less bit depth actually pushes more data per second than the GTS250?

As I mentioned though, there is even more to it than just this. You stated the processor units being different was confusing and you're right about that. On average, a ratio of 5:1 is how you compare nVidia units to ATi units but that's incredibly vague and not very helpful when really breaking things down.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
November 6, 2009 3:13:22 AM

it seems that you keep wanting more right? then save your money and when you have enough go straight for bigger upgrade. get bigger case, more powerful PSU and then get the best GPU available by the mean time. :D 

i have this kind of dilemma in the past so i can understand it how is it to feel wanting more to be satisfied. it is better for you to check all the review and benchmark before making any decision on which card to get :) 
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November 6, 2009 3:13:34 AM

Thanks for explaining things a little more for me. I'M GREATFUL FOR YOUR TIME, THANKS ALOT!
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a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2009 3:14:58 AM

A GTS250 is an Nvidia card. A 5770 is an ATI card. The two use completely different architecture so you can't really compare them with a single feature.

Also, a 5770 is a dx11 card meant to replace the 4870 1GB. The 4870 1GB is an equal to a GTX260 sp216. The GTX260, in turn is roughly an entire tier above the GTS250 (The GTS250 is the same card as a 9800GTX/GTX+)


4850 ~ 9800GTX/GTX+/GTS250 < 4870 ~ 5770 ~ GTX260
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November 6, 2009 3:19:49 AM

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME I APPRECIATE IT. I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY BECAUSE THAT 5770 IS SMALL AND WILL FIT WITH ROOM TO SPARE. I JUST WANT A CARD THAT I WILL BE FAST AND ABLE TO PLAY THE GAMES THAT COME OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, YA KNOW? I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO RESERCH SOME MORE CARDS IN THE MEAN TIME. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
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November 13, 2009 3:41:19 PM

Personally I just got a GTX 275 MSI lightning 1792MB card and I love it. It eats anything I throw at it alive. Though I am considering the 5770 for a rig I am building my wife who doesn't game nearly as hard as me.
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a b U Graphics card
November 13, 2009 3:53:07 PM

5770 hands down, at this point it would be ubsurd to buy the 250 =)
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January 8, 2010 3:55:28 AM

The 5770 is better. I have one and have no issues so far.

But the 250 is a good card for the money. Its like 50.00 less than a 5770.

If I were offered a 260, 250 or 5770 for free? Hands down take the 5770.

Its fast, quite, low heat, low power. And DX11 which is much more of a step up than DX10 was over DX9.

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a b U Graphics card
February 1, 2010 2:54:41 PM

the ati 5770 is a great graphic card but u'll have some problems with the boards temp. for example i had a 5750 and was playing Prince of Persia 4 and my GC core went to a record 103 degrees Celsius..take that in consideration cause u can damage your motherboard (as it sadly happend to me :(  ) ....and that temp is huge compared to a GTS 250 that i have now that does not exceed 50 degrees Celsius at max performance..in general, my oppinion about Ati Radeon Graphic Cards = Boiler Cards.
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May 16, 2010 8:46:56 PM

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the ati 5770 is a great graphic card but u'll have some problems with the boards temp. for example i had a 5750 and was playing Prince of Persia 4 and my GC core went to a record 103 degrees Celsius..take that in consideration cause u can damage your motherboard (as it sadly happend to me :(  ) ....and that temp is huge compared to a GTS 250 that i have now that does not exceed 50 degrees Celsius at max performance..in general, my oppinion about Ati Radeon Graphic Cards = Boiler Cards.



You had a bad card, ATI 5770 and 5750s run much cooler and draw less power than the old tech.

If you overheated your card it must have had a poor heatsink to vpu seal.

I would advise anyone with new video card to get the MSI afterburner app. You can set the fan speeds to ramp up at any temp you want. It offers portection from overheating.

Any computer chip can run hot if not cooled properly. That includes a pentium 1 133 mhz.

I've had both amd and intel chips run hot for various reasons the problems were not specific to the company or brand, they were isolated cases. I suspect the person with the hot 5770 is in the minority. The card is the best in its price range. Draws sub 100 watts. less than the previous ATI or nvidia cards.

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July 14, 2010 3:01:53 AM

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the ati 5770 is a great graphic card but u'll have some problems with the boards temp. for example i had a 5750 and was playing Prince of Persia 4 and my GC core went to a record 103 degrees Celsius..take that in consideration cause u can damage your motherboard (as it sadly happend to me :(  ) ....and that temp is huge compared to a GTS 250 that i have now that does not exceed 50 degrees Celsius at max performance..in general, my oppinion about Ati Radeon Graphic Cards = Boiler Cards.



Absolutley this was a bad card! --> LMFAO @ Ati Radeon Graphic Cards = Boiler Cards....The 4870 ran hot, but since then on ATI's 5000 series cards even the 5870's I run now don't get over 75C load in game, and I have 3 in TriFire. Out of the 3 my hottest card runs the 75C or less temps I stated before. I have owned many 5770's and stil run a crossfire setup in another comp I have, These cards are freaking famous for running cool! 50's maybe 60's full load! 5770 is a heak of a choice and still even is today, semi-necropost comment ;)  But, I alwasy have to stick up for the 5770, and that card ran in CrossFire is nothing short of amazing, they way they scale together, I mean ATI just really got it right with this card!

Not one person deciding on this/these cards would be disappointed with this card, hands down the 5770. It's like mighty mouse, crossfire it and mighty mouse just took steriods and now there is an asterisk next to it when it outperforms a single 5870 <-- true story!
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 4:27:09 AM


Absolute Wuttheheck, You don't need to revive dead topics.
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July 14, 2010 5:13:13 AM

aznshinobi said:
Absolute Wuttheheck, You don't need to revive dead topics.


Wow, its all good my little friend! The 5770 is still a great card on the market and someone could still find this thread helpfull! Not a big deal
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a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 8:17:21 AM

You could at least look at the date of the previous post :p 
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a c 273 U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 11:56:03 AM

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