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dndhatcher   11-10-2009 at 01:25:18 AM

Driverheaven compares the first couple DX11 games out in DX10 and DX11. (Battleforge and STALKER).

http://www.driverheaven.net/articl [...] 0&pageid=1

Thought it might be of interest to some of you.

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Bronze Graphics badge jaguarskx   11-10-2009 at 02:54:00 AM
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Not really interested since my HD 5850 is in a PC with Win XP installed.
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dndhatcher   11-10-2009 at 02:57:48 AM
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jaguarskx wrote :

Not really interested since my HD 5850 is in a PC with Win XP installed.
:)

At least you have one. Those are bloody hard to get ahold of.

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Silver Graphics badge TheGreatGrapeApe   11-10-2009 at 07:22:51 AM
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Very old article already posted like 3 weeks ago. :hello:

Interesting, but still not so compelling, just promising.

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gamerk316   11-10-2009 at 02:15:14 PM
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Not a proper test in my mind; I see ever DX11 test on 7 is being skewed in favor of DX11.

Give me the following:
Test on Vista without DX11 API (DX10) [Baseline]
Test on Vista with DX11 API (DX10) [DX10/11 comparison test]
Test on Vista (DX11) [DX11 test]
Test on 7 (DX10) [Baseline]*
Test on 7 (DX11) [DX10/11 comparison test]

*Note these results will vary from the Vista test; the purpose is to re-establish a baseline and see if Vista trends hold true in 7.

The purpose is to remove any OS influences (better multithreading, etc) from an evaluation of the DX11 API. This also has the benifit of testing the effects of the DX11 API on DX10 level hardware. For that reason, the first two tests should proabably also be done with DX10 hardware (4890/285 or lower).

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KidHorn   11-10-2009 at 02:55:07 PM
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I haven't seen this yet. Thanks for posting. DX11 definitely looks better. It seems DX11 will give you better performance for the same level of picture quality or better picture quality, but at the expense of fewer FPS. Too bad it can't do both.

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rawsteel   11-10-2009 at 04:01:08 PM
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It can do both, but it depends on the balance the developers would put.

You can get between 20%-50% better performance using same image qualities but implementing it for DX11 (instead of 10). However benefits will be smaller at the beginning and developers are putting more eye candy on DX11 so in fact you can get lower performance but better graphics.

I really hope implementing tesselation is adopted faster and we can see it in MORE future games, not just few of them. thats the deal braker

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 04:10:46 PM
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Well, having more powerful HW is where it comes into play.
Alot have said "we dont need these new cards, theres nothing out there to use it"
Same people then say "Just look at how much an impact DX11 has"
same people say "Why buy a new card now? Theres no games stressing todays cards"
Those same people are so full of .... contradictions, I wouldnt listen to them


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fwgx   11-10-2009 at 04:40:16 PM
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I'm glad I bought a DX11 card, it'll last me a long time and I can take advantage of it today!

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Ehsan W   11-10-2009 at 05:50:50 PM
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nice to see the performance boost on dx 11 on battleforge
too bad it's not there on stalker
anybody know why?

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gamerk316   11-10-2009 at 06:39:53 PM
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^^ Game optimizations? Proper Multithreading game engine? Driver optimization?

Hence, why I want a complete benchmark suit, which frankly hasn't been done as far as I know...

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 06:53:44 PM
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16288/1/
Take this with a grain, but its something, whenever it finally comes

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 06:55:18 PM
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Thing is, reading the last sentence, it may not be here til June

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jennyh   11-10-2009 at 07:04:47 PM
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Futuremark releasing a dx11 benchmark when Nvidia don't even have a dx11 card? Never gonna happen.

With a bit of luck somebody else will make a really good bench and get us rid of futuremarks bias for good.

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 07:08:40 PM
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By the time its here, it may be irrelevent anyways. Whens DX12 coming?

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capt_taco   11-10-2009 at 07:41:27 PM
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I'm honestly not real interested in marginal differences in performance, so much as "will the game work or not?" Until they start coming out with games that require DX11 only, either way is fine by me.

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dndhatcher   11-10-2009 at 08:18:43 PM
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jaydeejohn wrote :

By the time its here, it may be irrelevent anyways. Whens DX12 coming?


DX12 will never happen, by then we will all be running Nvidia powered Tesla supercomputers. Just ask Jen-Hsun, he'll tell you its true. :ange:

capt_taco wrote :

I'm honestly not real interested in marginal differences in performance, so much as "will the game work or not?" Until they start coming out with games that require DX11 only, either way is fine by me.


Running XP and DX9 still? You know DX10 isnt required. :p
(Still it looks significantly more realistic in many games, which is the only reason people use it).


Message edited by dndhatcher on 11-10-2009 at 08:21:36 PM
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Cgintz   11-10-2009 at 11:43:37 PM
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Unigine is amazin. :)

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dndhatcher   11-11-2009 at 12:00:26 AM
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rawsteel wrote :


I dont know if you people live on this planet or what?


Have you checked out the indigenous inhabitants? Why would anyone want to? :lol:

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