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November 2, 2009 2:16:15 AM

PARTS REQUIRED: i7 or phenom ii x4 CPU, CPU COOLING, MOTHERBOARD, Overclockable RAM, Quiet Case and Powersupply. No Overkill.

PARTS PREFERENCES: No LED on case. No overkill. Perfectly fine with off-brand products with same quality as name-brand.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: HDD: SSD's and Raptor 10k-15k's are not worth the price. Way too expensive, and honestly won't improve gaming that much. Already have two 500gb hdd's in raid0.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes
CROSSFIRE: Yes


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

CPU: Was going to go i7 but have seen and heard that the AMD Phenom II X4 955 is not only just as good, but alot cheaper.

CPU Cooling: Most likely will just use an Arctic Pro 7 unless someone has an suggestions that are well worth the extra $$$.

Motherboard: Most confused. I want a motherboard that won't crap out on me when I try to OC. I do not mind spending extra $$$ if it's worth it. Prefer a MB that can run CrossfireX (at least 2 pci.e or more) but not required.

Ram: Really doesn't matter the speed. There is practically no difference between 800mhz DDR2 and higher mhz DDR3. But I want ram that won't crap out on me when I overclock the cpu.

Case: Would prefer nothing flashy. Do NOT want to waste a load of money on a case that will only give 1 extra degree cooler. Would prefer no flashy led lights and a quiet, cool case. It isn't a requirement though, as I want a quiet fan that won't trap heat inside.

Powersupply: Needs to be able to run an overclocked cpu (i7 or phenom II x4) two 5870's, and the rest. Do NOT need massive overkill.


Also to dispel any rumors, I find absolutely no difference between the Rosewill 550w I have for one computer over my Thermaltake Toughpower 750w. Both seem to be able to handle everything perfectly fine. So I do not want to spend 2-3x the price just to get "named brand" just because a random internet nerd "fears" a rosewill might explode.


Would prefer only responses from people who know the complexities and real differences between cheaper parts vs name brands.

I do not care for knowledgeless hype or "zOmG a rosewills explodez it'll fry urz computar!!!111 get a $500 2000watt PS!"

There is no limit to the price of building the best [practical] gaming PC, but I do not plan on wasting away hundreds of dollars on parts that give an unnoticable difference in performance unless they stack up.

I appreciate all replies, regardless if they're useful or not. Because I Thank you for your time and effort.
November 2, 2009 2:41:59 AM

Maybe something like this




SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151192
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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$25.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129058
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$30.00 Instant $139.95
$109.95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136319
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139009
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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-$20.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$159.99
$139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131365
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
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OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227365
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$27.00 Combo
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$439.98
$412.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...




Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115202
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835233029
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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-$10.00 Combo $333.96
$323.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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Nippon Labs Premium 1M (3.28 ft.) SATA Cable with 2 right Angle Connectors for SATA I and SATA II Hard Drive Model SATA-1RR - Retail
Item #: N82E16812816033
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$6.49 Saving $6.49
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Subtotal: $1,087.86

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November 2, 2009 2:46:07 AM

Thank you.

I am wondering though, does the i7 really justify the extra $$?
From the benchmarks here, the AMD Phenom II x4 seems to be just as good but for $100 cheaper.

Also, do you think I need 850W for Crossfire 5870's + OC'd cpu?
November 2, 2009 3:12:06 AM

You can take a look @ some CPUs scores on gaming http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...

And some GPUs http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...

really looks like the i7 860 is the best bang for the buck / but the s1156 mobo with funconn scokets have a problem atm with hard-core OCing

If you get a s1156 with a lotes scoket and a i5 750 or i7 860 i think its a better way to go

i5 750 199
mobo 160
ram 100

VS
i7 920 279
mobo 280
ram 140

Do some reading on the s1156 scokets

Most of your gaming is in the GPU the reviews shows all the top CPU within 10 FPS @ 89 FPS you can lose 29 FPS anyways you wont see it your monitor will only put out 60 Hz


Oh and on the PSU most will say a 750 will do but corsair website said a 850 i went off that its 30 more then a 750 you dont want to run the PSU past 80 %

look @ this http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=26 664W total power that was with a i7 920 @ 3.3 with 2 HD 5870 in xfire now if you OC to 3.6 you will use more Watts so say 700W i say 850 to play it safe

November 2, 2009 3:53:23 AM

what's your monitor resolution?
November 2, 2009 5:08:24 AM

Thank you for the PSU information and links.

Half of the games I play are actually more CPU dependent than GPU dependent.
I am sure most gaming is mostly dependent on GPU, but that's not been my luck at all.
For instance, Supreme Commander and Everquest 2- both are heavily CPU based.
When Champions Online released, it was overly CPU based (which is rather ridiculous, but unfortunately reality.)

So focusing on a very strong cpu IS important to gaming, even if it's not as common as the GPU being important.
My GPU will be the best there is, so that's not important.

I do not care about GPU's, monitors, or people's advise on what I need in those areas to have a good gaming rig, so resolution is completely irrelevant.

My question is mainly in PSU (which, thank you, was answered), CPU (i7 vs AMD phenom II x4) and Motherboard (best one for overclocking so my NB and SB don't overheat causing a bottleneck in OC potential)

The AMD Phenom II x4 seems to be only slightly below the power of an i7, but half the price (for both CPU, MB, and Ram) so I think I'll stick with the AMD.


My only question left is what motherboard is best for a Phenom II x4 if I were to want to overclock? I want to make sure I have a great northbridge.
November 2, 2009 6:56:53 AM

I went with amd... and it ROCKS!
November 2, 2009 7:05:23 AM

Phenom 955BE @3.7
Sapphire 5850 Gpu
MSI GD70 790Fx Mobo
G Skill Ripjaw 1600
Antec 902
Corsair 850HX PSU
Sunbeam Freezer
Asus VH226h screen
November 2, 2009 7:17:25 AM

I have pretty much decided, here's my new setup.

RAM: OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

DVD Burner: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

MB: MSI 790FX-GD70 ATX AMD Motherboard $163.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Case\PSU Combo: $179.98 + $30 shipping - 30 combo discount.

Case: Thermaltake V9 VJ400G1N2Z Black Computer Case $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

PSU: Seventeam ST-750ZAF 750W Power Supply $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

HDD: I already have them.
GPU: Waiting for in-stock 5870- $390

Total Price: $657
Total Price + GPU: $1047
November 2, 2009 7:20:03 AM

MSI GD70 is one of the best AMD AM3 motherboards and reasonably priced.

Good pick!
April 6, 2010 5:30:09 AM

I would go with Origin PCs. You guys probably never heard of it, but it's a pretty new computer company. After Dell bought and "ruined" Alienware, one of the professionals started his own computer company, with other professionals, Origin PC. It's really good and you can even send in custom chassis or designs, but it's probably not worth it. The only thing that matters is the performance, well to me anyways. Although it doesn't have as premium look as Dell's Studio XPS 9000 or Alienware Area-51 ALX, it still rivals them with price, quality, and performance. Check it out for yourselves. Here's the link:



If the url link isn't showing, it's originpc.com

Advice: I would go with the desktop for origin because their laptops are a little too thick for my taste. Just saying, I still go a little for the designs.
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